Logically so, yes

You can believe it is vitally important to build green energy infrastructure as quickly as possible in order to combat climate change, or you can believe that waiting four years for an environmental review is essential. Lawmakers trying to have it both ways are accomplishing nothing.

18 thoughts on “Logically so, yes”

  1. “Green” energy should have to contract for 24/7 supplu and provide their own backup when sun, wind not meeting contracted supply

  2. Sir Kneel is telling us the UK will be generating ALL our electricity without using fossil fuels by 2030: by https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63023277

    Doublespeak for “there won’t actually BE any electricity in 2030” or “YOU won’t be using electricity in 2030 as it’ll be too expensive”.

    Lions. With machine guns (not flamethrowers – I’m trying to be environmentally friendly).

  3. People forget how always-on energy is such a recent thing, just as always-on food. People forget that it’s not normal to have strawberries in the shops all year round, it’s also not normal to have energy every hour of every day. It’s generally a post-war thing, in many areas of the country more recent. When I was a child in the early 1980s we didn’t have any heat until somebody had brought the coalite in, we didn’t have any hot water until 20 minutes after somebody had turned the heater on.

    The push towards getting rid of baseload is a push back towards non-always-on energy. They refuse to admit it, but it *will* result in only being able to turn the lights on when there is electricity available, you *will* only be able to have hot water or heat your home when the power is available, you will only be able to use your smartphone when the power is available.

    Always-on energy, just as always-on food, is a function of modern civilisation, and they are determined to destroy this. While I have no objection to anybody doing this to themselves, they have no right to impose it on other people.

  4. ‘they have no right to impose it on other people’

    That IS my objection, jgh. But of course they don’t intend to give up always-on energy. They just intend for US to give it up.

  5. The recent budget did little or nothing directly for me, as being a pensioner I don’t pay NI and not getting pensions (note the plural) amounting to over £50k, even the promised reduction in standard rate to 19% doesn’t come into effect until next year and even when it does, would only amount to a saving of £377 if I were to get exactly £50,270 gross (which I don’t). Given what I actually get it’ll be less than that.
    Oh, and I don’t spend anything like the cap on energy bills – at least, I haven’t yet.
    What would have made a difference would have been a drop in VAT. Weren’t we told once that it was there to pay for our membership of the EEC, or EU as it became? 20% is extortionate. I can remember rates of 8, 10 and 15% in the past. To add insult to injury it goes on top of other taxes.
    My budget would have cut all green levies to zero, and drop VAT in stages down from 20% to something more manageable like 10%. Moreover, all ‘green’ energy producers should only be paid for the energy they supply.
    Also, I would bar anti-fracking protesters from having a supply of gas, ban all anti-nuclear protesters from having electricity, ban all anti-oil folks from having a car or travelling on public transport, and force all ‘insulate Britain’ protesters to (a) insulate their own homes, and (b) pay a levy to subsidise other folks insulating theirs. Well, apart from making it legal to just drive over them.

  6. I grew up on the Welsh border area, long ago, no electricity until 1950s……our water from a well, lighting by kerosene Tilly lamps, , cooking by wood and coal, It would be so wonderful to have every deranged renewable enthusiast live in that manner for two or three yeas to understand how incredibly wonderful it is to have power available, always, at the flick of a switch. Let the bastards freeze in the dark.

  7. Rather than banning people, I would force people who chose to have “”””green”””” fuel supplies to have a smart meter that switched them off when there was no supply available. Then it leaves the consumer choice in the hands of the consumer. I shall use my consumer choice to purchase an always-on supply, regardless of source.

  8. jgh: always-on electrical power has been pretty much a thing since the early 50s apart from the crap in the 70s. So much so that the whole of society now depends on it, which is something the greenies conveniently ignore. I know that isn’t the case out in the sticks, with bits of 11kV string subject to weather, trees, etc. But those outages are usually only a day or two at max unless things are really bad. In the towns and cities with underground supply, power cuts are almost unheard of.

  9. We were without power here for four days during the storms in February. The indoor toilet uses a Saniflo, so it was back to the old days of walking thirty yards to the privy at the bottom of the garden when you needed a dump.

    I did get £215 in compensation. I wondered whether Western Power would agree to cutting me off permanently. I mean, £215 for four days without electricity – that’s equal to £19,618.75 for a whole year. It sounds like a very good deal to me.

  10. @jgh, September 25, 2022 at 11:47 am

    Yes I would force people who chose to have “”””green”””” fuel supplies to

    Pay the full price and suffer consequences same as those who choose to buy organic food

    Forcing everyone to subsidise others’ choice is imoral and anti-free market

  11. Recently, one energy supplier in the US remotely set the smart meter in all their customers homes so that the Air Con wouldn’t come on until the temperature the energy company had decided was OK was reached.

    Echoing others on here that we do the same with the greens / anti frackers / anti nukes etc. here on the UK.

  12. Recently, one energy supplier in the US remotely set the smart meter in all their customers homes so that the Air Con wouldn’t come on until the temperature the energy company had decided was OK was reached.

    I don’t see how that would be possible. The most the smart meter can do is turn the power on or off to the building, unless they’ve hacked into Hive or whatever you’re using to remote control the individual devices. I suppose they could look at the current kW draw and make an intelligent guess as to whether the aircon was on or not, but that’s about it.

  13. Lots of things are ‘widely reported’, but they aren’t necessarily facts. That’s why we end up with stuff like ‘net zero’.

    But if the electric companies can reach in through their magic smart meters and turn off my dumb refrigerator or washing machine, I take my hat off to them.

  14. @Chris

    Customers were bribed to have smart heating, cooling etc linked to smart meter. Elec company then took control. As I said Education required

  15. Hmmm!!! I must ask my neighbour Peter whether he has a smart meter.

    I remember him knocking on my door one night asking if he could plug into my power to keep his fridges going. Evidently a number of houses in the street had lost their power.

    My good old meter was made about 1952.

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