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Hungary can no longer be considered a full democracy, the European parliament has said in a powerful symbolic vote against Viktor Orbán’s government.

In a resolution backed by 81% of MEPs present to vote, the parliament stated that Hungary had become a “hybrid regime of electoral autocracy”, citing a breakdown in democracy, fundamental rights and the rule of law.

While the vote has no practical effect, it heightens pressure on EU authorities in Brussels not to disburse billions in EU cash to Hungary that is being withheld over concerns about corruption.

To what extent would the EU itself fail such definitions of “democratic”. That the unelected Commission are the only people able to propose legislation for example – how democratic is that?

That the executive is entirely unelected – how democ…..etc…….

28 thoughts on “One wonders”

  1. Yes… Definitely Spuddian, isn’t it?

    And honestly… One has to wonder what the EU parliament actually does, other than some virtue-signalling.

    Anyhoo…. offski to see what this year’s igNobel announcements have o offer in Entertainment.

  2. I do follow the Federast Guy Verhofstadt on Twitter, as he did more than almost anyone to being about Brexit and he has been banging on about Orban for years. Oddly for the EU ‘awkward’ countries who want to stay in like Poland And Hungary are far more Problematic than the U.K. which at least left!!

  3. So Hungary can join India in being an electoral autocracy.

    But what is an electoral autocracy? Well it seems to be some made up term from some woke people to define a democracy which isn’t left wing enough and doesn’t uphold the rights of some “special” people who think they are more important than the majority.

  4. Sadbutmadlad

    That is Left Wing ideologues summarised. Democracy is only democratic when the electorate is ‘progressive’ – otherwise it’s populism. These moves are ‘unopposable’

    – Gender equality (for all genders but especially the 271 which are fictitious)
    – Racial equality (other than for Whites who are ‘privileged’ or ‘supremacist’)
    – Net Zero or action against Climate Change
    – Zero COVID
    – increased state control over all aspects of your life

    Oppose these and it’s being ‘autocratic’

  5. One has to wonder what the EU parliament actually does,
    Provide a rubber stamp that gives the illusion of democracy.

  6. The EU parliament’s concerns about corruption would be better targeted closer to home. How long is it since the Court of Auditors signed off on the Commission’s accounts?

  7. In voting on this we see a clear example of the EU being guilty of that which it has just voted on. There should be a word for it. Perhaps we could call it an ursula? Where is Douglas Adams when you need him?

  8. The problem that the EU, and the US, has with Hungary is that Mr Orban believes that in one hundred years time, Hungary should still be Hungarian. This is clearly unacceptable.

  9. “Electoral Autocracy” That was 13 years under the Blair/Brown Terror Regime.
    EU Parl didn’t ride to the rescue then, did it ?

  10. SMBL, VP – Yarp

    Hungary’s problem is that it’s too democratic.

    Hungarians genuinely don’t want sex changes for their toddlers or kebab-scented rape for their daughters. So they vote for people who promise to keep the drag queens out of their schools and the wandering rapists out of their borders. Those elected representatives – instead of doing the decent thing and immediately betraying their own voters – do the things they were elected to do. Zis ist unacceptable, says the most nakedly psychopathic of all of the EU’s many rotten establishment parties:

    “The commission has made a half-hearted deal with the Hungarian government on the kind of change they want to see,” said Daniel Freund, a German Green MEP, also briefed on the commission’s plans. “There is a very short timeframe and … to expect that the damage that Orbán has done with [his] constitutional majority over 12 years, can now be repaired in a matter of weeks, or a couple of months, I think is optimistic to put it mildly.”

    Daniel Freund is a lunatic and a German (but I repeat myself) who wakes up every morning with a tiny little Teutonic hateboner for Hungary. His entire ‘career’ is based on trying to get the EU to use its coercive powers to overrule the (perfectly lawful and legitimate) things the majority of people in a country he doesn’t even live in voted for.

    Hmm… I’m starting to think it’s not really about “the environment” at all with these Greens.

    But Hungarians are dumb. They’re dumb enough to believe European law is what it says in the Treaties, and not whatever the political and social whims of the people running the EU’s institutions happen to be. They’re dumb enough to think they can keep receiving EU cash without also receiving the EU’s monkeypoxxed blessings of Diversity™. The EU has made it clear to Hungary that it sees them as an enemy within, to be regime changed thru lawfare and internal sanctions. Maybe the EU army will give them other options in future.

    Hungary’s only options are to agree to be vassals of a newly impoverished EU or become an independent state. This seems like a no brainer to live free or die people. But Eastern Euros love the cash, and love the Schengen, and have their own fifth column of NPC’s who can be relied on to support the Current Thing. So I wouldn’t be too bullish about Magxit just yet.

  11. Steve

    I agree (and hope Mrs Steve has been able to locate the Moscow derived funds for you)

    Given the level of subsidy they have received and the remittances from Magyars within the Western EU states, there’s no way they’ll leave while the money is still flowing. Additionally, one thing the EU is fantastic at creating is fifth columnists! Poland is in a similar situation. However, in a straight fight between the likes of Daniel freund and Orban there’s only going to be one winner in the short term. Longer term not sure how long for this world the EU is tbh!

  12. All Orbán has to say is: We’ll put it to the people. We’ve had too much history of outside powers telling us what’s best for use and forcing use to live how they demand. Can you assure us you won’t be sending the tanks in?

  13. “Can you assure us you won’t be sending the tanks in?”

    “Yes. We sent them all to Ukraine and the Russians destroyed them. Can our invading soldiers use their railcards in Hungary please?”

    Also, Germany won’t be able to rearm because the broomstick factories have shutdown without power. So there’s a benefit.

  14. Jgh – yes, the EU is bound to respect a referendum.

    VP – if they’re expecting EU largesse to continue, they’re in for a shock. But enough damage can be done to a society that it’ll willingly accept its subordinate place in the EU project even after becoming a net financial contributor to the erosion of their own sovereignty. Ireland is a ruined Country In Name Only now, and all their political class has to offer is more immigration and more wokeshit while obsequiously taking orders from people who deliberately fucked them over during the last banking crisis. The Irish love it, they can’t get enough of it. Even the former terrorists of Sinn Fein talk like a bunch of pansies on Twitter now, the pod people have taken over.

    Paddy has been fully colonised by the EU and is no longer capable of imagining freedom, there’s no escape for him. Eastern Euros at least still have testicles, but they’re slow learners.

  15. @From Grikath’s O/T ig Nobels
    for demonstrating mathematically that organizations would become more efficient if they promoted people at random.

    That’s very likely true. Individuals seek what they perceive as personal advantage by aspiring to be promoted. There is no reason to believe that the possession of the talents required to achieve promotion translate into being able to fulfil the requirements of the position they’ve been promoted to. Mostly, they’re entirely different & contradictory. You probably would get a better result just promoting randomly. Unfortunately, in the world we live in, if you don’t dress up common sense in some faux mathematics, you’ll get little mileage out of it.

  16. @Steve
    I don’t think the RoE is a good example of anything. It has never been a real country. Even before Cromwell. It’s sole defining feature, since independence, has been it isn’t part of the the UK. It’s never been economically independent. It’s never been truly independent. Irish coming to the UK have had exactly the same status as UK nationals. Which they’ve used & abused ever since independence. Are still doing so.

  17. Bloke in Spain – I unironically believe we should launch a Special Military Operation to solve this Irish protocol question once and forever. Cromwell had the right idea, albeit he was typically ham fisted in executing his ideas (or monarchs).

    There’s no need for a sea border when Ireland is incorporated into the British family of nations, and after the necessary disarmament and degayification of Irish society we can even let them send representatives to Westminster.

    Not that wicked little leprechaun who serves as their “president” (lol) tho. I assume we’ll have to feed him to the Big Kitties.

  18. . . . I unironically believe we should launch a Special Military Operation to solve this Irish protocol question once and forever.

    The unironic is ironic in this thread.

  19. I unironically believe we should launch a Special Military Operation to solve this Irish protocol question once and forever.
    Steve. We’ve done that repeatedly. The entire history of Ireland is being a strategic menace to the British mainland because it’s lacked rulers with enough power to stop foreign threats using it as a base. That started with the Vikings, through the Spanish, the French, the Germans, the Warsaw Pact & now the EU. And it’s never been worth what it’s cost us. T’would be better it was towed out into the Atlantic & sunk.

  20. Ah, Boganboy, one of the High kings of Ireland. So named because they’d stolen a chair & didn’t have to sit on the floor.
    Wiki has him as semi-mythical. Like most of Irish history before 1925.

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