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Well, yeeees….

In a pair of other posts, the Bronx native suggested people should refrain from calling migrants “illegal” as “most US families” at one time migrated to the country.

“By today’s standards, most US families would have be deemed undocumented or trafficked at some point in their family history,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “For the most part, people didn’t need lawyers and years of processing to come to this US until immigration became a racialized issue.”

By yesterday’s standards asking for a date wasn’t sexual harassment either.

Moving standards through time is a double edged sword…..

24 thoughts on “Well, yeeees….”

  1. “For the most part, people didn’t need lawyers and years of processing to come to this US until immigration became a racialized issue.”

    True. Back in the 18th century they even used to pay for their travel.

  2. I’m glad to see AOC is taking up the case of all those poor asylum seekers so wickedly maltreated by the revolting redskins.

    Of course she’d probably complain that it was the poor Mexicans and Peruvians who were actually badly treated. After all her ancestor?? Cortez and Pizarro had to actually fight to steal a proper handout from the locals.

  3. It’s not racism at the borders.

    If 2 million Russians turned up — and they would if they thought they could — they would not be welcome either.

    In fact my wife (very white) worked illegally in the US, because getting a Green Card was impossible.

  4. “By today’s standards, most US families would have be deemed undocumented or trafficked at some point in their family history,”

    Is that even true, with all the rhetoric removed and just taken as a statement of fact? Okay, and accepting that conquering Europeans and their ancestors got to set what was legal, rather than arguing the whole invasion thing was illegal under the laws of the indigenous people. The “or trafficked” bit would, I think, quite rightly include imported slaves, despite it being legal under the law of the time. But even conceding that, just how much illegal or forced migration has there been?

    There’s still plenty of immigration that comes through legal routes (imagine plenty of recent legal migrants are rather non-plussed about the extensive legal hoops they had to jump through when they could just have turned up regardless, according to AOC’s view) and if you go back a couple of generations, immigration law was extremely liberal about who could come in (at least for Europeans).

  5. “if you go back a couple of generations, immigration law was extremely liberal about who could come in (at least for Europeans)”

    If you go back to the interwar years immigration was heavily restricted including for Europeans.

    The most interesting thing I’ve read in the last 30 years about immigration concerned pre-war British-mandate Palestine. The government issued visas to let European Jews immigrate. In no year were all the visas taken up. That, to put it mildly, was not the impression that many people tried to give.

  6. Noooooo……. By today’s standards most of the US populations’ ancestors would have been classified as *LEGAL* immigrants. Applied to enter legally, legal entry granted, legally purchased passage, from a legal provider of transport.

    All those films of thousands of people being processed through Ellis Island. Does she think that’s a deportation facility? They were handing out residency permits, and letting them off to where-ever they wanted to go. Sheesh!

  7. @dearieme are you referring to the 1939 White Paper regarding Mandatory Palestine? Because that’s the visa regime where not all of the issued permits were used. It lasted five years, 1939 to 1944, during which time European Jews were somewhat preoccupied. It’s hardly surprising that only 51,000 of the 75,000 immigration certificates provided for had been used by 1944.

    Of course, if you’re referring to an earlier period then a source would be nice.

  8. @dearieme

    Was taking “going back a couple of generation” as before the 1920s when Asians were barred but rules for Europeans were very liberal. It did indeed get much tighter very quickly, though for Mexicans it was still relatively loose until the 1970s by which time something closer to the modern system, with its focus on skills and family reunification, was in place.

  9. Source: William D Rubinstein, The Myth of Rescue, chapter 2 “The Myth of Closed Doors 1933-9”, paperback edition (2000).

    It certainly stopped me from lazily accepting the myths, as he calls them, about the democracies turning away vast numbers of German Jewish refugees.

    I rather suspect that many of the “myths” were actually downright lies. Rubinstein: “Nearly every statement made in Berenbaum’s work on the attitude of the democracies towards the admission of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany is incorrect, as we shall see.” Of course “incorrect” might not mean lies – perhaps he thought that Berenbaum was simply an inaccurate scholar.

  10. Green cards can take a very long time.

    My application for one as a sibling of a US citizen was filed in 2016. At present my case is due to be considered in 2030. During the 14 years that I will have waited between 20-25 million, a conservative estimate, will have entered the country illegally and allowed to remain.

  11. ‘The Squad’ are proof mentally retarded people can get elected even if they represent hostile terrorist groups – she works for MS13 for example..

  12. Different times, different regimes, different immigrants, who didn’t expect to get handed tonnes of free stuff from the locals.

  13. John: Interesting. Friends of my parents had a daughter who married an American and they live in Seattle. Her father died and her mother wanted to move over there (in her 80s!) to be near her daughter. The residence stuff was quite quick AFAIR – we visited her when we were over there a few years ago. I think she’s in the process of becoming a citizen, may have managed it by now.

  14. @Matthew L: could be. Or then again, maybe people who make a comfortable living telling lies on the subject object strenuously when someone comes along and says phooey.

    Anyway you have an easy task. Just show me the evidence that all the Palestine visas in ’33 – ’39 were taken up.

  15. At Ellis Island, which I can see out the window from my desk at work, even coming here legally wasn’t enough. If you had the flu or any kind of ailment, they marked the back of your coat with the appropriate letter in chalk, which could get you deported in certain cases.

    People like my great-grandparents often had their last names changed, because they were so afraid of being sent back to Russia that they dared not correct the bureaucrat when he messed up the spelling.

    Nowadays, the Biden Administration doesn’t even check illegals for Covid.

    As to AOC’s point, she’s right that most of us either are or are descended from immigrants. Even most Native Americans are only partly Native American at this point. Even Trump is the descendant of immigrants.

    And yet, most of us still want a secure border. Most legal immigrants from Mexico/Guatemala/Honduras/Cuba don’t even want illegal immigration. Seems that AOC can’t figure out why that is, and just defaults to screaming “waycism.”

  16. The word “undocumented” should not be used as a euphemism for “illegal”. There was a time when very many immigrants were likely undocumented (when literacy rates were much lower than today) but not illegal, whereas today it’s quite easy to be thoroughly documented and still illegal (e.g. overstaying a visa).

  17. I was a documented, illegal immigrant in Hong Kong for six months. I had to pay for a six-month visa extension before they let me on the ‘plane to the UK. 😉

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