Really?

Hang on, I thought the Tories were already fascists?

Nonsense. There has to be an established “fascist” party for people to vote for, and there isn’t one. Large parties don’t spring into existence overnight. Even if all the right wingers in the Conservative party struck out on their own, they’d still all fit in one taxi.

But Fascism is whatever the Croquette decides it is today. Tomorrow belongs to him…

The Italian historian Emilio Gentile posited the following characteristics of ‘Fascism’ as an ideology

1/ a mass movement with multiclass membership in which prevail, among the leaders and the militants, the middle sectors, in large part new to political activity, organized as a party militia, that bases its identity not on social hierarchy or class origin but on a sense of comradeship, believes itself invested with a mission of national regeneration, considers itself in a state of war against political adversaries and aims at conquering a monopoly of political power by using terror, parliamentary politics, and deals with leading groups, to create a new regime that destroys parliamentary democracy;

Murphy has frequently called for overthrow of the current electoral system and has often advocated violence against political opponents. He is obsessed with the idea of the complete renewal of society along ‘Green’ lines and the need to completely remake it

2/ an “anti-ideological” and pragmatic ideology that proclaims itself antimaterialist, anti-individualist, antiliberal, antidemocratic, anti-Marxist, is populist and anticapitalist in tendency, expresses itself aesthetically more than theoretically by means of a new political style and by myths, rites, and symbols as a lay religion designed to acculturate, socialize, and integrate the faith of the masses with the goal of creating a “new man”;

Murphy styles himself as beyond the constraints of conventional economics and ideology and as such believes that his ideology is in some way novel and has a unique insight into the way British society should be constructed. He believes in mythical concepts like ‘Tax Justice’, ‘Sustainable accounting’ and other various theories he himself has generated

a totalitarian conception of the primacy of politics, conceived of as an integrating experience to carry out the fusion of the individual and the masses in the organic and mystical unity of the nation as an ethnic and moral community, adopting measures of discrimination and persecution against those considered to be outside this community either as enemies of the regime or members of races considered to be inferior or otherwise dangerous for the integrity of the nation;

Murphy regular suggests the deplatforming and removing the right to free speech of those he deems ‘fascist’ (in an interesting inversion of reality) He has blocked 20,000 people on Twitter and barred numerous people from his blog. He advocates confiscatory levels of taxation and extensive state confiscation of private property as a means to increasing state power.

a single state party that has the task of providing for the armed defense of the regime, selecting its directing cadres, and organizing the masses within the state in a process of permanent mobilization of emotion and faith;

Murphy regularly bemoans (even on this Twitter thread) the inability of the current political movements to adhere to his vision of societal renewal. He constantly advocates the need for a new movement or party to best emobody that vision.

corporative organization of the economy that suppresses trade union liberty, broadens the sphere of state intervention, and seeks to achieve, by principles of technocracy and solidarity, the collaboration of the “productive sectors” under control of the regime, to achieve its goals of power, yet preserving private property and class divisions;

He would forbid people not to join a Trade Union and insist on Union control in all aspects of the economy but otherwise has advocated nationalization of all private activity and indeed even the entire housing stock of the country.

Therefore, for him to bemoan the possible emergence of ‘fascism’ when he himself embodies much of the ideological characteristics of it is rich indeed….

Andrew M

But France lives with a dozen or more parties. One more makes little difference.

The UK doesn’t have such a large number of parties, so building one of weight and substance is very unlikely to happen between one election and the next.

But indeed the Conservative party seems to have no desire whatsoever to govern, let alone to govern well.

Good point about Marine. If the French presidentials were being held now, she’d walk it. A lot of her stuff was being labelled extreme aren’t extreme now, are they?

Extremist parties just aren’t all that popular

FPTP is distinctly inimical to new parties “breaking through” but if you consider Nigel Fartage’s UKIP to have been extremist, then consider their showing in the 2014 Euro elections conducted under proportional representation and party lists (as in France) in which they came top with almost 30% of the vote.

The likelihood that the Tories will be replaced by a fascist party, which could easily attract 30% of the vote, is high. I strongly suspect that this will happen.

So Murphy is predicting Jeremy Corbyn is returning to lead Labour and that Labour will win?

“Fascist Party” according to El Spud Royale: Any party that consigns my Infallible Plans and Sage Advise to the incinerator.

But let’s see.. party program…

– Finish Brexit, then see where the chips fall and deal with it.
– Turn Universities back into Universities, re-establish trade schools, defund Basket-Weaving “subjects” and departments offering them.
– Apply the “95%+ = Normal” rule to any issue, work from that principle, and sort out exceptions later if necessary.
– Toss the BBC to the wolves. If there must be a state broadcaster, it shall be an information outlet for the state, other opinions are free to fund/broadcast their fetish somewhere else.
– Ship illegal immigrants back to where they came from. Ramsgate/Dover to Calais is a short hop, after all.
– Actions/competence have consequences for Civil Servants. Meritocracy has its merits.
– Reform and possibly nationalise those systems that are necessary for the functioning of the nation.
Power, water supply, waste treatment, transportation. Private/institutional investors are welcome to a stake, but the infrastructure itself is too important to leave to markets alone.
The Meritocracy thing counts twice here.

Stuff like that..

I’m sure peeps here can come up with more detailed/additional points.
But something along those lines would get a fair number of votes, and even if the party wouldn’t get a single seat because FPTP, it would draw enough votes away to Upset Things.
And with a bit of luck can turn the whole “popular vote” argument against the Socialists…

Ah well… dreams.. And I’m a furriner without a vote anyway..

a fascist party, which could easily attract 30% of the vote

You’d expect more than a democratic vote to implement fascism, wouldn’t you?