Skip to content

So, The Lady Is For Turning

Just to get that out there before every damn headline uses it.

40 thoughts on “So, The Lady Is For Turning”

  1. The stupid bitch
    ( Sorry Julia and Rhoda and Kate H et al ).

    Sod the markets, they’d have got used to the idea eventually.

    For a few nanoseconds, I thought that she was different. The Tories deserve every thing they’re going to get in Jan 2025, good and hard. If they last that long.

  2. If the answer is Jeremy Hunt and (more) tax rises, what was the question?

    Btw, this means we won’t be allowed to frack our way out of the energy crisis either. The government just surrendered all its authority, they won’t be doing anything the Blob doesn’t want ever again. Now up to over a thousand enrichers a day landing in dinghies, btw. Obviously the authorities “can’t” stop them, but they can arrest middle aged women for criticising trannies on the internet. Priorities, you see.

    I hope we like energy rationing, mass unemployment and poverty, because that’s what’s for dinner. And deliberately, and with malice aforethought: they know Net Zero will crush the middle and working classes, that’s the whole point.

    Our enemies, boys and girls, are not in Russia.

    Lions Party when?

  3. 5p off additional rate tax and the markets go haywire. If we were to reduce high rate threshold to £30,000 I presume the markets would like that?

  4. @Ottokring

    “For a few nanoseconds, I thought that she was different.”

    I am kicking myself for being fooled too. Although after her first U-turn I got a real bad feeling.

  5. Nothing is off the table now. The eu must be licking its lips. I wonder how much we will end up paying to rejoin?

  6. Bloke in North Dorset

    I look forward to all the Labour supporters who are cheering the markets following suit when they give Labour their inevitable pasting.

  7. I’ll sell my bungalow and buy another one in Malawi. All I need is indoor plumbing, internet and a steady supply of cooking lager.

  8. “Btw, this means we won’t be allowed to frack our way out of the energy crisis either. The government just surrendered all its authority, they won’t be doing anything the Blob doesn’t want ever again. Now up to over a thousand enrichers a day landing in dinghies, btw. Obviously the authorities “can’t” stop them, but they can arrest middle aged women for criticising trannies on the internet. Priorities, you see.

    I hope we like energy rationing, mass unemployment and poverty, because that’s what’s for dinner. And deliberately, and with malice aforethought: they know Net Zero will crush the middle and working classes, that’s the whole point.”

    I don’t think anyone has thought about this. Most of the public are asleep at the wheel. Go past an Apple store and there’s still a queue of people. Dealers in stupid big cars don’t seem to be going out of business. They all want windmills, pension rises, benefit rises, and taxes on bankers. 80% of the country are giant fucking babies.

  9. Before they reduced the rate of corporation tax there used to be a lower rate for small companies (like mine). Anyone know if they’ll be bringing that rate back now that the main rate is going back up again?

    And if it’s not coming back, anyone got any experience of re-incorporating a Ltd company from the UK to Delaware?

  10. I suppose it’s too late now for her to change her mind and bring the tax down again? The press will have gone home early on Friday.

    Maybe early next week?

  11. It’s not a good look – she is flailing like a headless chicken. I’d have a lot more respect for her if they’d just said “We want to promote growth, we think this will do it. Let’s wait and see.”

  12. After this the Tories deserve to die as a party.

    They either need to disappear into the wilderness for a while and be reborn. Or die off and clear the space for an actual conservative party.

  13. Chernyy,

    Most of the activists and MPs are one nation/big tax/wanky wing of the party. The membership are much more Thatcherite.

    I’m convinced that the only choice is destroying it. My plan is to Join/support Reform Party or someone similar (I think Reform are the strongest option).

  14. The way things are going I’m thinking of reclaiming my Hong Kong residency. That’s how ****ed up this country is getting.

  15. @BonM4

    I’ve been a lifelong Conservative supporter.
    Now, I just don’t recognize them.
    All big state, big tax, big spend, eco tossery, drag queen story time nonsense.
    If the conservative grassroots are so conservative, why is the parliamentary conservative party so awful?
    Why don’t the membership sort it out? Or leave?
    The membership voted for Truss, now there’s a pretty good chance that we will end up with Sunak anyway thanks to the Tory MPs.
    Its like living in a banana republic.

    I’ll be giving my vote to Reform as well, or the Abolish the Welsh Assembly party, as an alternative. Mainly because I like their abolish the Welsh assembly policy.

  16. If the conservative grassroots are so conservative, why is the parliamentary conservative party so awful?

    Because CCHQ choose the candidates, not the associations.

    So you get a factory line of lib Dems and Blairites. Anyone who is properly bought and paid for.

    Can you actually name a proper Conservative amongst the Tories?

  17. We need an election now, not in 2025, when the international situation may have improved and some inflation may have dropped out of the measurements. Let Labour be exposed to reality. A cold day in November with the polling stations lit by candles because the wind isn’t blowing, I hope.

  18. What traumatic and violating event just happened?

    So if philip is an oil trader, he’ll engineer short and gamma squeezes to drive oil higher, out of spite? Is this what you mean by market efficiency? Saudi Arabia bulls win because, scarcity, innit?

  19. Can you actually name a proper Conservative amongst the Tories?

    Philip Davies, MP for Shipley

    I particularly enjoyed when he got onto the equalities committee and started asking what would be done to help young boys as they were falling behind.
    Cue lots of hand-wringing from the hippie brigade.

    He’s one of the best, puts constituency before career.
    Used to be my MP before I moved away from the area for work.
    If I still lived there, would vote for him.

    There may be one or two others.

    Compare with the Tory MP from the constituency I lived in until a couple of years ago… Rob Roberts.

    On the whole? They’re pretty shit.
    Same as Labour. One or two who you can respect, usually outliers amid the avalanche of mediocrity and shite.

  20. In retrospect (well tbf it was also extremely obvious at the time) the perpetual drumbeat of wildly inflated allegations, leaks and backbench conniving against poor old Boris was the coup.

    Liz Truss – who seems in many respects a genuinely decent woman – may not have understood this until last night, when she was forced to publicly humiliate her Chancellor and friend in the worst way imaginable short of that film Carrie, shortly before Sissy Spacek goes all Special Ladytime mental.

    Liz Truss is the Prime Minister, but she is not in charge. Our votes didn’t matter. What happens next has absolutely nothing to do with what you, me, or the bloke next to you might *want*. We’re just along for the ride.

    They just shut us out. It’s possible they did it a long time ago, and we just didn’t notice until David Cameron’s slight miscalculation about his own cleverness exposed the reality of how Britain is governed now. The sneering London media types, the wattled and bechinned self-styled grandees, the ambiguously gendered academic frauds, the cuntishly woke lawyers and judges, the sociopathic billionaires and their achingly right-on trillion dollar megacorporations basically all hate you and want you to die in a fire. Your vote doesn’t matter, and it will never matter for as long as they have the power to ensure otherwise.

    Can we get it back? Eh, maybe.

  21. Isn’t calling a general election the Prime Minister’s decision? Go ask Charlie to disolve parliament.

  22. Liz Truss is the Prime Minister, but she is not in charge. Our votes didn’t matter.

    Are you in the Conservative party, Steve, and did you vote in her election? Because otherwise your vote was irrelevant in this context. The Tories can play leadership silly buggers as much as they want and it’s all democratically constitutional.

    All we get to choose is a member of parliament, usually based on a party association which in turn will be associated with a set of generalised policies. After that, we are shut out. And that’s how it’s always been. What’s happening now is nothing new or unusual. Only the instantaneous and constant media attention is relatively novel, and even that’s getting old and tedious.

    Maybe not having a TV isolates me too much and I should be clutching my pearls at this silly soap opera. But nah. I’ll leave that for you. I do recall you being horrified at the prospect of this “genuinely decent woman” becoming PM; something to do with mind-numbing stupidity and nukular warrrr I think.

    There are two possibilities here. One is that the ongoing government / establishment of the country is a shambling, squabbling collection of competing interests of various levels of incompetence, OR it’s a coherent, nefarious conspiracy that presents itself in this manner while it controls things in the background. Unless, dear boy, you think the chaotic events which befall the nation are also part of the conspiracy, it seems most likely that the first description is the accurate one.

    Either way, we’re out of it. Just enjoy the lolz.

  23. Hullo PJF

    I do recall you being horrified at the prospect of this “genuinely decent woman” becoming PM; something to do with mind-numbing stupidity and nukular warrrr I think.

    Idk why you still insist on pointing at contradictions that aren’t. Liz Truss is stupid and stupidly bellicose, but she’s being punished for neither of those failings and neither make her a Bad Person. If being dumb was a sin, Hell would be clogged.

    Unlike Theresa May, she didn’t win the job by deceit. Unlike Boris, we can probably count on her not to shag the wait staff. Unlike David Cameron, she’s not a war criminal. She tried to do some moderately conservative voter-friendly things for a change, and suddenly she’s sacking her Chancellor and appearing in press conferences looking like a hostage trying to blink H E L P in Morse Code.

    (But notice what PM’s don’t get nobbled over: the dinghy jihad, the guaranteed catastrophic economic failure of Net Zero, global migration compacts that are somehow never your business as a pleb voter.)

    This isn’t normal, not when the “government” (because fuck knows who that actually is now) has an 80 seat majority and the PM has only been in office for 5 minutes.

    There are two possibilities here

    Narp. It’s number 3: they are generally incompetent fuckwits with short time preferences and the ethnological self-preservation instincts of a dodo, and they do, unfortunately, run things in this country. If you think you see another delicious contradiction here, that our institutional class can’t be both effete clowns who believe in a lot of crazy misanthropic nonsense that’ll ultimately destroy them and quite brutally effective at seizing and holding effective power, I refer you to the Aztecs.

    I could list the number of pointlessly shitty things our government does in more or less open defiance and contempt of its own populace, but what would be the point?

    Like, wake up, sheeple, or something.

  24. . . . suddenly she’s sacking her Chancellor and appearing in press conferences looking like a hostage trying to blink H E L P in Morse Code.

    Seems like the genuinely decent thing to have done was resign, but I guess she likes the trappings of power. Or maybe the Aztecs are holding her kids hostage.

    I could list the number of pointlessly shitty things our government does in more or less open defiance and contempt of its own populace, but what would be the point?

    You do about once a day, so you tell me.

  25. Bloke in North Dorset

    We know have a PM who campaigned to Remain and a Chancellor who was a zero Covid advocate.

    If we weren’t fucked before we are now.

  26. The only fly in the ointment for those campaigning for change (quislings and lefties and those looking for short term self-preservation) is that an election doesn’t have to occur till 2025 and the PM can’t be unseated for 12 months according to Tory party rules. Yes she could resign, and everything would be in chaos – an ideal time for certain people to take advantage.

  27. I met one of our overlords last night, Tory MP for Wantage, at the opening of a new cricket pavilion in his constituency. He seemed a bit of a twat really, God knows why he’s a Tory MP in a safe seat, he was a charity boss for 10 years before ‘deciding to go into politics’. Oh and of course he studied Politics and History at Oxford. In other words the very sort of person who shouldn’t be a) in the Tory party, or b) anywhere near the levers of power at all.

    I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that no-one who has done non-STEM degree should be allowed to be either in government or anywhere senior in the civil service. Preferably they should all be chosen from non degree holders. People who have done actual real work involving their hands rather than people who have done nothing but manipulate information and produce reams of words. The former have a connection to reality, the latter think that reality is what they make it. A bricklayer would never come up with the Net Zero policy, only a PPE graduate could come up with that sort of ‘It will work if we want it to enough’ insanity.

  28. Met my local Tory MP at a concert a few years ago. Buffoon. A remainer who became a committed Brexiter for the 2019 election, when he thought Boris might give him a job.

  29. Cherrny,

    “If the conservative grassroots are so conservative, why is the parliamentary conservative party so awful?
    Why don’t the membership sort it out? Or leave?”

    I don’t know, but the number of members who actively participate seemed very small to me. Less than 30 people would turn up to events out of I guess 700 members. And nearly all of them were councillors or would-be councillors.

  30. Over in one of the other teams, we think it lucky if 10% of the membership turn up for anything. I’m in a dilemma how many cups of tea to arrange for the AGM. From social contacts I know it affects the other lot as well.

  31. Jim,

    “I met one of our overlords last night, Tory MP for Wantage, at the opening of a new cricket pavilion in his constituency. He seemed a bit of a twat really, God knows why he’s a Tory MP in a safe seat, he was a charity boss for 10 years before ‘deciding to go into politics’. Oh and of course he studied Politics and History at Oxford. In other words the very sort of person who shouldn’t be a) in the Tory party, or b) anywhere near the levers of power at all.”

    They’re nearly all twats. The main reason people become MPs is ego and that they have some family money to support them. No-one who is successful wants to do such a nonsense job for £84K/year.

  32. “no-one who has done non-STEM degree should be allowed to be either in government or anywhere senior in the civil service.”

    That would carry more weight if it were not for the fact that it was STEMMERs who gave government all the dreadful advice about lockdowns, school closures, vaccines, masks, and so on. It has also been STEMMERs who have behind all the Net Zero shite.

    In other words STEMMERs may have given us our worst governmental disasters in centuries. Or maybe ever.

    It’s no good hiring STEMMERs who want to work for government, you’d have to hire STEMMERs who are intrinsically suspicious of governments and all their works. A younger version of me might have done a grand job but no government – or probably more accurately no civil servant – would ever allow such an appointment.

    The first task isn’t to fret about who the government employs, it’s somehow hugely to reduce the scale of government.

  33. DM

    it was STEMMERs who gave government all the dreadful advice about lockdowns, school closures, vaccines, masks, and so on.

    Maybe, but I’m not entirely convinced. Vallance was talking about herd immunity around (roughly) 12th March. Following that point, I understood it to be a mostly political process that led the UK towards its subsequent lunacy. Gove (English), Cummins (Ancient History) Johnson (Ancient languages) being the main culprits.

    Yes, the fuckwit/traitor at ICL may have been a catalyst, along with the mostly illiterate media, but in the one country in the west where worthless politicians weren’t directly calling the shots, a scientist at the helm (Tegnell) got it mostly right. And the record will also show, despite all the hysterical noise at that time, that Swedes were mostly grateful to him for the rational direction steered.

  34. Oh, and I forgot to add. SAGE (*LOL*) – to whom stuff seemed to be subsequently delegated – was hardly STEM loaded (in a true sense).

  35. I have severe doubt about the entire university system.
    Think how it operates. Young people leave their homes & families & often attend universities a considerable distance away. They find themselves with no one they know in a place where don’t understand the rules along with a lot of other youngsters the same as them. Now think about other organisations do the same thing. The military. Intentionally. It breaks down peoples’ independence in favour of obedience to authority & peer group pressure. It’s a standard tactic for political indoctrination camps. Why aren’t universities in the same places as the people desire to be educated?
    Now look at the faculties who seem to be appointed on a who-knows-who basis. How else do you explain someone like His Spudness? Is it any wonder they’ve been taken over by people with some very strange ideas indeed?
    Universities aren’t gateways to knowledge. They’re gatekeepers to knowledge deciding what knowledge is. They’re virtually medieval. The last vestige of the Gilds system.
    Are you surprised so many young people today seem so divorced from reality? You can date that trend from when Blair said Education, Education, Education. I can assure you you won’t find many who haven’t been through the university system espousing men-can-be women-if-they chose, or white guilt or the other nuttier fashionable ideas.
    It’s the C21st, not 1500. Get rid of them. They’re not fit for purpose. Worse than that, they’re ruining you country.

  36. I’m convinced that the only choice is destroying it. My plan is to Join/support Reform Party or someone similar (I think Reform are the strongest option).

    Rod Liddle says join the SDP.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *