The next government is going to be formed by Labour, with a big majority.
The solution to a falling pound, high inflation, is to vote in Labour?
The next government is going to be formed by Labour, with a big majority.
The solution to a falling pound, high inflation, is to vote in Labour?
If it falls enough you can revalue it. 20:1 would be nice, call the old pound 1 shilling, redenominate the 50p as sixpence, and abolish all smaller coins.
Of course not, but I’m not sure what percentage of the public is still gullible enough to believe they can vote for “solutions”.
Labour will win a landslide because the Tories have overseen the complete trashing of the economy whilst also spectacularly failing to do anything to justify voting for them ever again (such as immigration, Net Zero and endless, endemic wokeshit diarrhoeing from every orifice of the British State.)
Idk to what extent it matters tho, because the Tories have been playing a dishonest pass the parcel game with their own voters since 2010. Our democracy is a sham, because in practice the wants and preferences of the electorate are completely ignored, possibly even criminalised, unless they miraculously align with what the permanent bureaucracy was planning to do anyway.
While there’s a degree of despair in acknowledging Murphy as correct about anything I have to agree with my fellow Dacha resident Steve that the Conservatives are surely in for a deserved shellacking, not least because the two primary causes of this fiasco, Lockdown and net Zero are their brainchilds. It’s simply not enough to say that ‘the other side’ is worse. They probably might be but that is simply not good enough. ‘Fool me once’ as the saying goes…. Heartily agree that many of the decisions have already been made by bodies like the WEF and other unelected scions, so does voting really change anything?
@Steve
Indeed, and it is actually difficult to see how the viciously anti-British liebore would in practice be any different from the viciously anti-British tories.
I did vote Tory in 2019 – the first time since 1992 (and I’ve never voted labour and never will)- for purely tactical reasons as I think that in the immediate context – getting us out of toytown austria-Hungary – they were the least of the evils.
I would expect some serious voter apathy in 2023/24 (or whenever) but I would put an each way bet on the tories winning with a small (perhaps even workable) majority under a restored Boris.
There are going to be issues this winter with energy supplies and the ramifications of this for practical politics remains to be seen. It wouldn’t take much in the way of a few protest parties taking some votes in key areas (no need to win any actual seats as UKIP, referendum party etc demonstrated) to totally upset any assumptions (which are based on what anyway?)
Let’s see what the situation in like next april/may.
For me, back to anybody BUT tories/labour
The fact that Liz/Kwasi backed down seals it for me. Gove needs the Edward II treatment. I guess he’ll be a thorn in the side of any PM except himself unless he’s comprehensively defenestrated and the rest brought into line. Can’t see it happening though. The thought of Starmer and the assorted loonies over there getting anywhere near the levers of power is profoundly depressing.
There’s still a couple of years till a GE needs to be called. A week is a long time in politics. A couple of years is an aeon.
It’s ironic but Liam Byrne’s “sorry but there’s no money left” will seem like a positive understatement compared to the situation Labour will inherit.
P.s. as I have stated in numerous occasions the failure by 4 successive conservative PM’s (assuming Liz sits on her hands like her predecessors) to implement the 2010 Boundaries Commission recommendations confirms that they really don’t want to win the next election.
TG – The thought of Starmer and the assorted loonies over there getting anywhere near the levers of power is profoundly depressing.
Why? What difference will it make?
Did you know the Bank of England is moving to impose “climate stress tests” on the finance sector? Soon, your pension investments will depend on what some dopey bitch called Jocasta thinks about the polar bears.
That seems like a pretty important piece of public policy, that’s being implemented entirely outside the reach of democratic accountability. We used to hear “Get woke, go broke”, but the opposite is actually true – they’re making it impossible to run a business unless you’re actively suckling Woke’s suppurating ladypenis. You can expect, as an absolute minimum, to be banned by PayPal and social media if you don’t.
VP – A dacha in Siberia sounds pretty attractive right now.
Mark – it’ll be a miracle if we get through the winter without any more major disruption. The European economy is dying in real time (Credit Suisse and Deutsche Bank are now trying to reassure people they’re not about to go tits up) so even if we avoid major business failures this side of April, we’re going to feel the pain from the continent. The war in Ukraine is escalating dangerously and the Americans keep dropping hints about tactical nukes. Labour market relations are in a terrible place because of inflation. The underlying ethnic tensions caused by the last few decades of ruinous mass immigration can flare up into riots at any moment. We’re in a very unpredictable crisis that could easily get much worse very quickly, and the government just surrendered to its own backbenchers on a trivial tax cut that should’ve been implemented in 2010. Doesn’t inspire confidence they can make hard decisions, and there’s probably not many easy decisions ahead.
It’s all a bit shit, but that’s where we are right now. Hope that helps x
For once Murphy may be right. They have lost a lot of voters. The ineptitude shown by announcing then eventually cancelling the abolition of the 45% tax additional bracket is astounding. Did it never occur to them to preface it by saying many senior doctors were choosing not to work overtime and even work part time because they would be taxed at 45%. They could have so easily spun it as being pivotal to their goals of improving access to doctors.
I know, I know, labour will be an absolute disaster if elected , but MP’s really need to experience some pain for their lunatic behaviour. Pour encourager autres.
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong”.
Thomas Sowell
@Steve
If possible put your pension in a SIPP. Yes, you will have to choose your own investments but at least you will have a choice.
The liberal elite/establishment only wants managerial type politicians who stick to centrist politics. The tories are now run by a gang of radical libertarians. This is why the establishment (including the markets) are treating them with the same contempt they had for the communist Corbyn. They do not care if the radicals are on the left or the right. They want centrist managerial politicians who can be trusted to keep things ticking over.
TG
The fact that Liz/Kwasi backed down seals it for me. Gove needs the Edward II treatment.
She’s proven herself to have no more backbone than Boris. And took even less time to show it. As for the reptile…
I don’t doubt as things stand Labour are going to do well at the next GE, but that will be more because the Conservative vote stays at home rather than a swing to Labour like ’97, unless Labour sorts itself out on key questions that have alienated the Red Wall.
As soon as the GE gets close Starmer will again start facing the “what is a woman” question as well as having to define his position on whether he’d go in to coalition with the SNP. On top of that we’ll have had a couple of tough winters with the possibility of long power cuts so they’ll need to square the Net Zero circle.
So, my prediction is a really low turnout with the possibility of a Farage led party stirring it all up.
Salamander – good advice, thanks.
I take the permanent establishment’s response as being due to them being a lot cockier and more brittle than ever, they no longer believe they have to accept the outcomes of democratic processes when they disagree with them. The government isn’t running the country, the Bank of England, the IMF, human rights lawyers, the BBC and various twat backbenchers are in charge. That’s why we “can’t” deport dinghy rapists, but we sure as Hell can have drag queen story time in primary schools.
Maybe we should make Marcus Rashford prime minister.
BiND – As soon as the GE gets close Starmer will again start facing the “what is a woman” question
If the Tories are smart (HAHAHAHA!) they’ll spend the next two years acquainting people with the loony tunes gender nonsense and barely concealed seething racism of the Labour party.
But it’s not enough to make the other lot unpopular, people still need positive reasons to vote Conservative. So that’s a problem.
@ Steve
“Our democracy is a sham, because in practice the wants and preferences of the electorate are completely ignored, possibly even criminalised, unless they miraculously align with what the permanent bureaucracy was planning to do anyway.”
Something I keep telling my other half ad nauseum, when she scolds me for not voting.
If only we could have an election in which every party lost. As the old saying goes; it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.
The Conservatives refuse to conserve anything; the Liberals are illiberal; Labour despises the labouring classes; the Greens want to cover the whole island in asphalt and concrete because they’re against immigration restriction; and the SNP don’t want Scottish self-government – they want to be governed by Ursula von der Leyen.
It’s amusing listening to the office political loudmouths claim that Labour would have fared better during Covid etc especially when they are a party that deems it fit to have a shadow minister for education with 1 GCSE to her name.
Tractor Gent,
I prefer the Richard II treatment, why waste money feeding the bastards? Though George Duke of Clarence’s treatment would be acceptable, sweet wine is an abomination.
In the absence of lions and flamethrowers, the Edward II method combines the best elements of both: a red hot poker to scrape the barrel of the bottom (said letterly to be a cure for monkey-pox to boot).
Marcus Rashford as PM wouldn’t approve of the Richard II method.
The Tories need to get the 2010 boundary changes implemented, undoing a couple of decades of NuLabr’s passive gerrymandering. This would effectively give them a 100-seat majority, which hasn’t been overturned in living memory (though I agree: strange times, strange times).
Implement the boundary changes, stop the dinghies, reform local government & remove (at least one layer of) bureaucracy in the NHS. There, fixed it for Truss!
” a small (perhaps even workable) majority under a restored Boris.” Ahhhhhhhhh…Nooooooo…….!!!!
Come back Adolf. All is forgiven.
unless you’re actively suckling Woke’s suppurating ladypenis
That gives a new meaning to the old TV jingle about mild green fairy liquid.
@Bloke in Spain
Not saying I want that, but I wouldn’t rule it out. The possibility says an awful lot about the current state of politics!
BiND – ’01 election was, thus far, the absolute nadir of turnout – down by 20~ish percentage points from 1992. 2001 is post-BoE independence.
Strange to think that turnout might be heavily influenced by inflation expectations. Still, “it’s the economy, stupid” as some random not-a-shagger-at-all once said.
A return to a turnout level of the mid-70% mark implies an extra ~5.5mln voters turning up at the polls in 2024, or about 8,500 per constituency. Seems a bit of a big claim to make that it would result in a “big” Labour majority, unless the SNP suddenly completely implode, for, err, reasons.
Then again, who knows?
What else is the solution? We can see what the Conservatives would do, as they’re in power now. If you’re doing something and it doesn’t work, how long do you keep trying the same thing before deciding you need to try something different?
@Charles
Liz Truss is attempting to do something different than the continuity Blairism of the last 25 years. I hope it works out for you.