Interesting, isn’t it?

Britons have wised up to the benefits of immigration. It’s about time politicians did too
Robert Ford

What is it about modern Britain that makes half a million a year want to leave it?

Sure, we know what makes a million a year from poorer places want to come here – but what’s wrong with it that so many leave?

An answer to that question might be interesting…….

High taxes and ‘no future’ spark fears of mass exodus of young Britons
Scores of highly skilled workers may soon wonder if they would be better off elsewhere

34 thoughts on “Interesting, isn’t it?”

  1. I can’t read the article without registering for the Graun but even the few paragraphs available seem to be remarkably dishonest, even by the standards of cunts writing in the Graun about immigration.

    The migration problem is not just a numbers one, but that we are swapping a mix of young & ambitious / old & wealthy Brits for a selection of bazaar-sweepings from Goatfuckistan. And of course that the “need” for migrant workers is caused by 5.3 million Brits living on out-of-work benefits paid for by a diminishing number of taxpayers.

  2. We’ve been here before: the Brain Drain. 1970s – High inflation, high taxes, immigration, poor medical care and schooling, bungling Government economic policy, bloated State, success punished, failure rewarded, no difference between the Parties, poor prospects for the future.

    Margaret! Answer your damned phone.

  3. I’d argue that the Conservatives, like the Libs in Oz, are simply unwilling to carry out the policies their voting base want.

    Had the Rwanda deportation scheme actually been forced through and implemented, they’d be raking in the votes.

  4. can’t think where I’d like to live that isn’t now a shithole or run by twats.
    Indeed. But the advantage to going somewhere else is it’s not your country & not your twats running it into the ground. They’re their twats. So one hasn’t got to continually suppress the desire to beat said twats to soggy ruin with an iron bar. Not your problem. They just provide an amusing topic of conversation. And you really couldn’t get a more amusing topic of conversation than Madrid. They’re a side splitter.

  5. You could use the American solution: Citizenship based taxation. Yes, you can leave but you will still need to fill out tax returns and pay the IRS taxes. Not that it works 100% the way the Americans want it to work but it does make life difficult for American ex-pats.

    The Canadians use exit taxes. You can leave and not have to pay Canadian taxes. But before you do, you will have to pay a one off exit tax. Again, does not stop Canadians from leaving but it has created work for tax accountants who have developed techniques of allowing ex-pat Canadians to continue to submit tax returns to give the illusion of still being in the Canadian tax system and hence having to pay the exit tax.

    You cannot stop people from leaving, but you can make it bloody inconvenient if you are determined enough.

  6. “Britons have wised up to the benefits of immigration.”

    Really?

    Has he looked at any opinion polls recently?

    Ah but of course, those will be the wrong peoples’ opinions.

  7. “Scores of highly skilled workers may soon wonder if they would be better off elsewhere”

    Define “highly skilled”…

    Seriously.. A half-decent welder/fitter/anything-technical can find well-paid work yesterday if they start looking tomorrow, even after Brexit. Let alone the actually skilled ones, they can choose. For the highly skilled you have to make an appointment..

    Academics with Social Grievances degrees… weeeelllll….

  8. “Britons have wised up to the benefits of immigration.”

    Really?

    Has he looked at any opinion polls recently?

    I read that as “Britons have wised up to the [officially stated] benefits of immigration” and the politiscum are starting to feel the heat.

  9. Boganboy,

    “Had the Rwanda deportation scheme actually been forced through and implemented, they’d be raking in the votes.”

    They’re a shit party. They’re even shit at politics. Figure out cheap ways to win votes. But no, they pour billions into HS2 that the majority of people, in every region of the UK, doesn’t want. Build stupid fucking railways in Devon that no-one uses because a bunch of beardies who probably vote Lib Dem, campaign for it. They insult the intelligence of people with false promises and distortions. The sooner they are permanently put out of business, the better.

  10. When we have a winter of discontent with everybody on strike, money down the drain, and people leaving in drives, the solution is to vote out the Socialists and vote in a Conservative government.

  11. @ Peter MacFarlane
    I didn’t have the patience (? doI men “stomach”) to read the whole IPPR paper but it is based on an internet-based poll, with historic comparisons (presumably non-internet-based polls) from which they *claim* to deduce a trend that suits their prejudices.
    So the answer is “Yes” – one that reflects opinions of the “right people”

  12. ‘Sure, we know what makes a million a year from poorer places want to come here – but what’s wrong with it that so many leave?’

    The first part of that sentence is the answer to the second part.

  13. In answer to Otto’s question, where’s better? Australia is still the best option for most people. Switzerland is very good. Channel Islands or Isle of Man if you absolutely have to stay near the UK. Norway or Texas if you’re in oil & gas.

    Canada and New Zealand are best avoided. Nutty politics and expensive housing aside, both suffer a brain drain to their larger neighbours.

  14. It seems that a different aspect of greater shithole theory was espoused by Julian Simon, he of the resources bet, and hero of the Cato institute. Here’s his explanation of why immigration is a good thing:

    https://cdn.mises.org/13_2_2_0.pdf

    I note that he disallows any individual from the target country from having any right to object, he isn’t concerned with numbers only economical contribution. Some call this the Simon principle. Which I always thought was ‘A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest’.

  15. . . . and hero of the Cato institute.

    Immigration is beloved by economic libertarians, much like building all over the countryside to house them.

    . . . disallows any individual from the target country from having any right to object . . .

    Yup, it’s not your country and not your countryside. You just live there. Fuck you.

  16. “Australia is still the best option for most people.”

    After their bed-wetting nonce type response to the Wu-Flu? That was an eye opener for me. I accept there are very few places that got it right, but at least in the UK those of us that wanted to were generally able to ignore stuff like LD, nappies, etc (perfectly legally if using the right words).

  17. Bloke in the Fourth Reich

    “I’d like to leave, but can’t think where I’d like to live that isn’t now a shithole or run by twats.”

    I am semi seriously weighing up what BiS describes as a small garden in Argentina, a refuge with some precedent for those fleeing the Reich. A confidante expressed surprise “but their economy is a mess, they have high inflation, and the state is perpetually on the brink of bankruptcy.”

    “Yes, and? So how is that different to here? At least they are used to it.”

  18. I can only think of three things that I really need a government to provide for me: Laura Norder, defence, and keeping the bloody lights on. They’ve just announced that they’re incapable of meeting the third of these objectives.

  19. . . . a refuge with some precedent for those fleeing the Reich.

    No, it was a refuge for the Reich fleeing its consequences. In which case it should be Merkel, Scholz, the Greens and all the other ghastly socialist dross running off to the Pampas, not you. You should stay and hang the fuckers before they escape.

  20. Just watched some knobhead MP in Skegness at a meeting last night, trying to tell the proles (who are unhappy with the influx of migrants) that they are escaping conflict – they are from war torn areas and we need to help them.
    SORRY MATE, NO. THEY ARE COMING HERE FROM FRANCE.
    Now, you could argue that tryng to escape from France is no bad thing, but it isn’t a fucking war zone so we owe these economic migrants nothing, and under International Law, they are entitled to nothing.
    He appears quite happy to house these invaders in hotels, with free medical care / food / pocket monet etc., but has never given a fuck about the homeless / rough sleepers in his constituency, many of whome were born here, have contributed something in taxes or have served in the military.

  21. I do not watch Coronation Street although like everyone I am broadly aware of it.

    A few days ago LotusEaters included a 20 minute piece highlighting how current plot-lines feature crude and blatant pro-immigration and anti-white messaging which was astonishing and sickening in equal measures.

  22. Being an ex resident of both das Reich and Ostmark, Argentina and Paraguay seem quite fitting.

    Uruguay strikes me as nice, but that is based on watching Battle of the River Plate on telly.

  23. Bloke in North Dorset

    When the likes of Robert Ford, Julian Simon and other pro immigration advocates from the elite talk about immigration they’re thinking about those nice doctors propping up the NHS because our politicians are incapable of planning anything in the next 5 minutes let alone beyond 5 years, or maybe that nice PhD they met at a dinner party one, or perhaps those highly skilled IT workers they sometimes hear about and of course all those immigrants who write woke and anti white articles in the Guardian.

    The point being Robert, Julian and the like are at the top of Maslow’s triangle and aren’t competing for resources.

    They never consider that those in areas that have been forced to accept high numbers of immigrants are nowhere near the top of Maslow’s triangle and are competing for scarce resources like school places, doctors’ appointments, good jobs and housing. They aren’t racist when they point out that the competition for those resources just got harder, they’re just naturally and understandably to anyone with a bit of empathy distrustful of the new competition, as anyone would be in their situation.

    It would have been the same if the same number of people had been shipped in from another part of the country, they’d have been making the same complaints about the scarce resources. Even Blair eventually got that point.

  24. One version of many like this floating around the internet…

    I cross ocean poor and broke. Take bus, see employment folk. Nice man treat me good in there.
    Say I need to see welfare. Welfare say, “You come no more, we send cash right to your door. Welfare cheques -they make you wealthy!
    NHS -it keep you healthy! By and by, I got plenty money. Thanks to you, British dummy!

    Write to friends in motherland. Tell them “come fast as you can.”
    They come in turbans and Ford trucks. I buy big house with welfare bucks!

    They come here, we live together. More welfare cheques, it gets better!
    Fourteen families, they moving in, but neighbour’s patience wearing thin.
    Finally, white guy moves away. Now I buy his house,then I say,

    Find more aliens for house to rent.” And in the yard I put a tent.
    Everything is very good, and soon we own the neighbourhood.
    We have hobby, it’s calledbreeding. Welfare pay for baby’s feeding.
    Kids need dentist? Wife need pills? We get free! We got no bills!
    Britain crazy!They pay all year, To keep welfare running here.
    We think UK darn good place. Too darn good for the white man race!
    If they no like us, they can scram. Got lots of room in Pakistan!

  25. Schrödinger’s immigrant…

    UKIP warns of Schrödinger’s immigrant who ‘lazes around on benefits whilst simultaneously stealing your job’

  26. Bloke in the Fourth Reich

    Phoenix,

    That is, literally, the oldest trick in the book

    And it is easy.

    There is margin on running frickin pizza delivery rackets via off-book staff.

    Literally, pound a job piecework. With (effectively) company cars! Protection on that is worth someone’s while. Being the official runner is worth an accomplice’s while.

    White man no compete.

  27. Schrödinger’s immigrant…

    The apparent contradiction is easily explained. The average person, if he thinks about it at all, imagines the labour supply/wages graph to be a simple straight line, i.e. double the workforce halve the wages. In fact of course it is a fairly steep S curve. It only takes a modest increase in labour to substantially depress wages. Thus, if you have large scale immigration, only a few have to work to disrupt the labour market while the rest lounge around on benefits.

  28. @phoenix_rising
    “UKIP warns of Schrödinger’s immigrant who ‘lazes around on benefits whilst simultaneously stealing your job’”
    Actually people on benefits increase taxes so destroying jobs (offshoring to other countries). So actually immigrants can be on benefits and destroy jobs at the same time.

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