Skip to content

Paying real tax on real incomes

That D idea that folk should pay income tax on unrealised capital gains.

Elon Musk’s wealth has fallen $100.5 billion so far in 2022, per Bloomberg Billionaires Index.

Hell of a refund there.

0 0 votes
Article Rating
Subscribe
Notify of
guest

6 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Hasn't Trump exploited this?
Hasn't Trump exploited this?
3 years ago

How much of a refund will he get when he declares bankruptcy for Twitter?

Charles
Charles
3 years ago

I don’t know why you think there would be a refund. If I sell shares at a profit, I have to pay Capital Gains Tax, but if I sell them at a loss, there’s no Capital Loss Benefit (apart from the ability to offset gains with losses).

If unrealised gains were taxed, I’d expect that you would have to pay tax every year on such gains, but losses could only be used to offset gains, so if you buy shares for $1M, and they rise to $1.2M, you pay UCGT on $200,000. If they then fall to $1.1M, you pay nothing and get nothing, but if they rise to $1.35M after that, then you pay UCGT on $150,000 because the loss to $1.1M offsets the gain as far as $1.2M and you only pay the tax on the rest of the rise. This would effectively be CGT, just spread erratically over the period from acquisition to peak price.

Hopper
3 years ago

Charles – just how complex is the tax return going to be, capturing all this state rather than just the original cost basis?

Grikath
Grikath
3 years ago

Charles, you optimistic, gullible, and idealistic Stargazer…

You really think they’d even let you offset losses?

Some people….

TD
TD
3 years ago

Well, while most of us have taken a bit of wealth hit so far this year, it’s probably not as severe as Elon’s (which is a somewhat self inflicted). So, as that wealth gap between him and rest of us has narrowed we must now be living in a fairer and happier society.

Crushing the stock market would probably do wonders for the GINI Coefficient, though it would also crush a lot of retirement plans, but isn’t that a small price to pay for equity and fairness?

Charles
Charles
3 years ago

@Hopper – “how complex is the tax return going to be”

The current tax rules for CGT allow for offsetting of loss, so no increase is needed for that. The only extra is the need to report unrealised gains and losses, so it would be as complex as another CGT section.

@Grikath – “You really think they’d even let you offset losses?”

Since they do for CGT, I don’t see why not. And the while UCGT idea is crazy anyway, so it would be unworkable if used without (and, probably even with). Suppose you have shares worth $1M which over a period rose to $1.1M and fell again to $1M. Each cycle costs you $100,000, so after 10 such cycles you have nothing left (though in reality you’d sell some of the $1M after the first cycle to pay the tax, so your tax liability would diminish).

@TD

Perfect equality is when we are all dead. Some alive and some dead is a form of inequality.

Can you help support The Blog? If you can spare a few pounds you can donate to our fundraising campaign below. All donations are greatly appreciated and go towards our server, security and software costs. 25,000 people per day read our sites and every penny goes towards our fight against for independent journalism. We don't take a wage and do what we do because we enjoy it and hope our readers enjoy it too.
6
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x