Hmm, dunno myself

I have been expecting a mass shooting at a gay bar for at least a year. This is not because I’m clairvoyant, but because I am a gay person with eyes and ears. The mass-murder at Club Q in Colorado Springs on November 19 was the result of what is now all-too-familiar rhetoric—a campaign that is both a cynical attempt to gain political power and a conscious effort to inspire stochastic violence that murders gay and trans people on the theory that there should be fewer of us.

There have been 600 mass shootings in the US this year. 360 million people with lots of guns. Shrug.

So, statistically, how many of those should be about and or around gays? With the claimed 3% of the population perhaps some 18? Or with the 1.6 million claimed trans folk some 2 or 3 aimed (bad choice of word there, I know) at trans?

Oh.

45 thoughts on “Hmm, dunno myself”

  1. “a conscious effort to inspire stochastic violence that murders gay and trans people on the theory that there should be fewer of us.”

    Hmm. The adherents of which global religion cum death cult are rabidly against the gayers and are also found in increasing numbers in the West?

  2. Weirdest bit about the Lefties arguments in this area is that if you oppose pedos they claim you’re attacking gays. Don’t look at us, you’re the ones constantly equating the two groups.

  3. “I have been expecting a mass shooting at a gay bar for at least a year. This is not because I’m clairvoyant, but because I am a gay person with eyes and ears.”

    “…Often, when dancing to retro disco hits, we see an armed bloke in a MAGA hat watching intently from the bar. He never does poppers, and he has no monkeypox scars. So what other explanation is there?”

  4. “Stochastic Violence” means “making fun of fat middle aged trannies, especially if they’re called Gary”.

    the same age-old blood libel about queer people: that we are preternatural abusers from whom your children need protecting

    When groomers aren’t boasting about “queering” education and the NHS they’re crying about being poor, oppressed victims.

    It’s like “clown nose on, clown nose off”, but with nonces.

  5. @Jim,

    On the basis of the ‘a stopped clock is right twice a day’, may there be something in their views?

    And on another matter, don’t gayers congregate in such places to play Russian Roulette with a variety of diseases transmitted by their lifestyle?

  6. “stochastic” is a more pretentious word for random. But how can random violence be based on a theory of wanting to achieve something. Either it’s random or it’s not… or the writer just wanted to add some pretentious words to sound more intelligent

  7. “because I am a gay person with eyes and ears.”

    Dunno about you, but to me this comes across as blind and deaf-phobic.

  8. The casualty toll for club Q is the same for a normal weekend in our larger cities. The response to that by our media is, “Move along, nothing to see here.”

  9. Thanks @Emil. I have been wondering why stochastic terrorism suddenly become a thing. If it is random, then it implies it is causing terror for terror sake. Targetted terrorism wouldn’t be random and therefore this case can’t be random or stochastic.

  10. This is an interesting tidbit:

    At least two of the five people confirmed to have been murdered at Club Q were the kinds of trans activists regularly described by a wide range of media personalities from far-right to center-left as emblematic of a dangerous element threatening American children.

    So it seems it wasn’t a random gay bar, but one where a …very specific.. subset of the gay community frequented..

  11. …on the theory that there should be fewer of us.

    Even if it were true, that wouldn’t be considered a “theory,” but rather a desire. You wouldn’t say the writer of this post has a theory that she should have sex with other women.

  12. Joey Vimsante The Poet

    I do not understand why people would murder anyone. And mass murders are horrific.
    It is a horrific thing to do.
    I am not gay, but gay people deserve respect and tolerance.

  13. Joey Vimsante The Poet

    Esteban. I am against child abuse. Child abuse is evil. Homosexuality and child abuse is not the same thing.
    I am left wing. I support gay rights, but I hate child abusers.
    Child abuse and homsexualty are not equated by decent left wingers.
    It is amongst prison convicts and right wing circles that people equate homosexuality and child abusers.
    I assure you the vast majoroty of left wingers are against.child abuse but for gay rights.
    Sex with children is evil.
    But what adults do consensualy with other adults is Ok.

  14. At least two of the five people confirmed to have been murdered at Club Q were the kinds of trans activists regularly described by a wide range of media personalities from far-right to center-left as emblematic of a dangerous element threatening American children.

    And so is the “nonbinary” alleged murderer.

    So the bigots were right again, weren’t they?

  15. gay people deserve respect and tolerance.
    Why?
    A person may choose to offer respect & tolerance. But that’s a personal decision. You can’t expect people to have obligations about how they think.

  16. Joey Vimsante: I’d have to strongly disagree that “gay people” deserve anything in particular.

    What somebody does with their body parts is a private issue for them. It has nothing to do with how I should treat them.

    How I should treat them is just like other people, modulated by whether they seem to be nice individuals and how they treat me and others.

  17. “gay people deserve respect and tolerance.”

    Stop right there… Both respect and tolerance are earned, and reciprocal.

    You could require tolerance to a certain extent, but you cannot ever demand respect.
    In fact.. It’s a given that the peeps demanding respect aren’t worth getting it.

  18. I can see myself having a Lady Susan Hussey moment with Gary

    Gary “I’m a lady”
    me ” No, what are you really”
    Gary *Really I’m a lady, a woman”
    me ” No you’re not, what are you”
    Gary “A Laydee, a real Laydee, a sweet Laydee”
    me “But you’ve got a cock and balls, or you did. You aren’t a Laydee if you have or had a cock and balls”
    Gary ” I feel a Laydee”
    me ” You look like a docker”
    Gary “I have an official paper which says I’m a Laydee, called Carrie”
    me “You created children with your own sperm, so you’re a man”

    etc etc ad nauseam

  19. Joey Vimsante The Poet

    bloke in spain, BlokeInTejas. – I disagree. Hate filled bullying is a disease and if some is filled with hate to all gay people then they are dangerous bigots.

    I want evil people to lose in life. I want good people to win. That is my view.

    If someone hates and bullies people then they are evil bullies and should lose in life.

    I feel that shy people, people of different races, gay people, lesbians, people of other religions, women, old people, the disabled, the mentally ill, young people, students, working class people, middle class people, upper class people, children, people with learning disabilities, should all be protected from people who hate them for bigoted reasons.

    I love it when good people win and bad people lose. That is my moral viewpoint.

    Grikath – For me it is the other way round. I respect and like everyone I meet, unless they do something to lose it. I think respect and tolerance are a right in everyone I meet. It is if someone does something bad then they lose my respect and tolerance.

    Why on Earth should someone have to earn your respect? Surely tolerance and respect are due to everyone you meet? It is when they do something bad to you or bad to others, that they lose it.

    What do you think of my view? Am I extreme for saying that.
    I got my morals form life and largely from thinkers like Jesus.
    Would Jesus, Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King expect people to earn their respect?

  20. “I want evil people to lose in life. I want good people to win. That is my view.”

    Your “evil” may well be my sensible outlook in life. And your “good” an abhorrence to me.

    “good” and “evil” are such nebulous and personal concepts they’re effectively useless.

  21. Dennis, Correct And Therefore Hateful

    I’m sure that both Ben Miller and Carrie Marshall are well aware of the fact that the alleged shooter identifies as non-binary. As that fact alone destroys THE NARRATIVE, it is unsurprising that they have willfully neglected it.

    On a completely unrelated note, Carrie can’t understand why so many people view “her” and “her” pronouncements with suspicion.

  22. ‘ bloke in spain, BlokeInTejas. – I disagree. Hate filled bullying is a disease and if some is filled with hate to all gay people then they are dangerous bigots.

    I want evil people to lose in life. I want good people to win. That is my view.

    If someone hates and bullies people then they are evil bullies and should lose in life.’

    So you are against Militant Trans people that want to examine rape victims or use female designated toilets?

    Sounds like Muslims aren’t likely to be in your Ramadan list either? That’s 1.6 billion people you want to ‘lose in life’? Tough crowd?

    Are you a serious poster?

  23. I have been expecting a mass shooting at a gay bar for at least a year.

    Well for heaven’s sake go and drink in a different one then.

    I got my morals form life and largely from thinkers like Jesus.

    He went to a lot of trouble in the cause of philosophy.

  24. Everyone – apart from Jesus – has done something bad. And thus ought to have lost your respect. Or does it differ based on whether you know about it, or if it affects you and yours?

  25. “I have been expecting a mass shooting at a gay bar for at least a year. This is not because I’m clairvoyant, but because I am a gay person with eyes and ears.”

    If you look for something hard enough you will find it whether it exists or not.

  26. Start with a default position of “I respect you.”

    If something happens to prove that that respect is unwarranted, reconsider that respect.

    The trans draggy stuff has been a horrible setback for normal gay people. Normal gay people aren’t pedo’s. (Yeah, yeah, don’t even start with that “gay people aren’t normal” stuff. They really are, or at least common. You just didn’t know about it.)

    I like Andrew Sullivan’s take on this issue. Drop “gay” from LGBTQ2SUAC . . . . There’s no real link except that the trans people want to piggyback on gay peoples’ newfound societal acceptance, which just drags the gays down.

  27. Bloke in North Dorset

    About 6 or 7 years ago a gay couple moved in to the village, they must have been 30ish.

    They immediately got involved in village life, although one is a bit introverted and took more of a backroom role. The other one was coopeted on tor the Parish Council.

    When Covid struck they organised a Facebook Group and organised volunteers to make sure that those who needed go support, including financial support. When the person who normally organises our village green Remembrance service was hospitalised at short notice they stepped in and organised it, one of them even running the service. They’ve just organised a craft fair in the village hall to raise funds for the village hall.

    They’re both good company and the only nod to their lifestyle is that one of them has a rainbow watch strap. I’ve not heard any derogatory remarks at all, even the guy I know who is homophobic and wouldn’t let his gay step son in the house hasn’t said anything in my presence and I see him quite a bit in the pub.

    In this very conservative corner of the county they are both highly respected and valued members of the community and they earned that respect.

    If the likes of Big Mouth got on with life like that instead of making intemperate demands on the rest of us they might find that they too are respected.

  28. The blue haired blokes in a dress crowd keep saying the following are nothing more than Right Wing Dog Whistles:
    – That a significant minority of Gays are Pedophiles.
    – That Tranny acceptance means forcing men into your kids changing room
    – That Drag Queen Story Hour is not about normalising pedophile behaviour
    – That adding “Minor Attracted Persons” to the LGBT+ crowd is not about legalising pedophilia.

    But if they WERE trying to push the forced acceptance / legalisation of pedophilia, what would they be doing differently?

  29. @Joey Vimsante The Poet
    bloke in spain, BlokeInTejas. – I disagree. Hate filled bullying is a disease and if some is filled with hate to all gay people then they are dangerous bigots.
    Bullying is an action. It may or not be a crime. Hate is a thought within a person’s mind. Personal to them.
    I think you’re a cunt. And the way you’re going, you’re not going to change my mind on the subject. But unless I take action on it, what I think makes no difference to you. MYOB

  30. @ JTVT
    *Some* gay persons deserve respect and tolerance, but not *all* of them and *no-one* deserves respect based solely on their membership of a broad category (Quaker stretcher-barers is a *narrow* category).
    A couple of my friends are gay and celibate because they consider sodomy to be sinful – they deserve respect (mostly for other reasons). Rapist paedophile “gays” do not deserve respect.

  31. JVTP

    I have re-read what I wrote, and it is my considered opinion you changed the subject. I can’t see anywhere that I supported or encouraged bullying of anybody, so why you dash off in a (rather poor) rant on the subject is beyond me.

    As they said at school, “oh, dear; do try to keep up, Vimsante”

  32. “There have been 600 mass shootings in the US this year.”

    I wonder why only a handful of these get plastered all over the international media. Do all the other cases we never hear about have any common characteristics?

  33. To me, BlokeInTejas at 4:09 pm’s comment says it all.

    Tolerance must be reciprocal. If you want my tolerance, you’ll be stuck with tolerating ME!!!!

    An interesting example of intolerance is the gay bar. Evidently these enlightened ones are too precious and special to drink with ordinary plebs. One wonders what the whingers’d say if people began advertising non-gay bars. Or men only clubs.

  34. KyleT read my post at 12:52pm. Most of it is gang violence of mostly minorities. Media response is “Move on, nothing to see here.”

  35. JVTP’s noo awa
    Safely o’er the friendly main,
    Hearts will a’most break in twa (that may be stretching a point on here)
    Should he no’ come back again.
    Will ye no’ come back again?
    Will ye no’ come back again?
    Better lo’ed ye canna be (more stretching)
    Will ye no’ come back again?

  36. Joey V – try again, my point is that whenever anyone speaks out against sexualizing children – even very young ones – the alphabet people scream you’re attacking gays! No, we’re against grooming 5 year-olds, if you say that’s attacking gays then you’re suggesting that gays are pedos.

    Kyle T – the 600 mass shootings is probably bollocks on stilts – a couple of years ago one of the Left-wing groups claimed there’d been some huge number of school shootings by March. After they’d gotten plenty of headlines somebody got around to checking how they got the number & they included things like a drug deal at 1 AM at a school that had been closed for 2 years.

  37. @JoeyV…

    Your sexuality doesn’t make you special.

    I treat my gay friends exactly the same way as all my other friends. Life can be a lot simpler that way.

  38. I just actually read the fragrant Gary’s piece. His reference to the only reason there hasn’t been a bar massacre in the UK is our lack of access to guns. (You speak for yourself, Gary) There were those two excellent lads gave Owen Jones a spanking outside the pub in Kings Cross, medals sadly unawarded. (Although may have just for being an irritating little tosser rather than his shirt lifting preferences) But it doesn’t occur that Brits don’t need to sink to level of firearms to sort perverts out, Gary?

  39. @BiND (20:25)

    I’ve told a very similar story about my childhood in a Lancashire village over 60 years ago (when homosexual acts were still illegal in the UK). There were two blokes living together in a bungalow. I’ve no idea whether they were gay or not, but nobody said or did anything against them, and anything they might have got up to in the privacy of their own home was entirely up to them. Gays who went cottaging in public toilets were another matter.

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