This climate justice stuff. Folk just keep arguing for what they think is a good idea instead of trying to, you know, solve climate change. Almost like they’re using it as a convenient excuse:
Phasing out fossil fuels thus means phasing out private control over energy production.
Is there any evidence, anywhere, that communal control works better in energy production?
Debt cancellation would also play a large role, to enhance public spending on social services. I think there would be other kinds of unconditional transfers of capital from places where it has been hyper-accumulated to places of lower levels of accumulation.
Those two are just such a surprise, aren’t they? And nothing to do with climate change, obviously.
Decarbonizing the world — what that might look like for people in the Global North if this vision of reparations were implemented is a lot of new jobs in green unionized sectors. It actually doesn’t look like somebody coming over to take your toaster and hand it to a Black family if you’re not Black, or an Indigenous family if you’re not Indigenous. It looks like the government more broadly doing an industrial policy that’s going to work out for most people in the world, or that could work out, depending on how it was designed. It won’t work out for private fossil fuel executives; it won’t necessarily work out for the investor class. I’m not denying that there would be losers in my version of the world. But I don’t think that the people who would lose out would be the average person, even in the Global North.
Twat. If we go out and do this the expensive way then the people paying will be poorer than if we didn’t do this, or didn’t do it the expensive way.
If I run the world everyone I like will be rich and happy and the only people who wont be are the people I don’t like, so that’s alright.
And these children present this as “thought”.
Don’t you have a pension? You *ARE* the investor class, dipshit.
“Phasing out fossil fuels “
Oh good grief.
Not going to happen. Anyone that tries to enforce this will be first on the fire.
In the cold winter of 1947, Berliners had no fossil fuel. So they cut down all the trees they could find. Unter der Firewood, etc. All illegal, but impossible to stop them.
Peat is also very good, but with a higher water content than environmentalists, so you need to burn the altter while the former is drying out. BBC Gardeners World should approve of this use of peat, instead of in compost :).
Of course, only the West is afflicted with The Green Madness; China, India, and the whole of the civilised world will carry on with fossil fuels regardless of what this country does.
So China has produced (on Salon’s figures) 21 times as much CO2 as the average EU country.
From whom is Salon demanding “reparations” be made?
Oh?
These people are incredibly dim.
The average person will lose out. Their pension is likely to be affected. But then such activitists are very blinkered in their “solutions”.
They is studying philosophy of mind, not philosophical logic so it’s no surprised they makes basic howlers like this.
Real climate justice is bad news for ExxonMobil, says philosopher Olúfẹ́mi Táíwò
What a stupid name.
《If we go out and do this the expensive way then the people paying will be poorer》
Who paid for Quantitative Easing? Was your bank account debited for expensive, multi-trillion-dollar QE?
aaa, I think there is</em< philosophical logic behind his reasoning.
It's just that it's preciously little to do with the subject in the article, and all about plugging his new book…
Which, if I may be allowed a snark, bound to be as atrocious as his taste in clothes..
Émile P. Torres is a philosopher and historian whose work focuses on existential threats to civilization and humanity. They have published on a wide range of topics, including machine superintelligence, emerging technologies and religious eschatology, as well as the history and ethics of human extinction.
As Daffy Duck would say, “Pronoun trouble…”
As Dennis would say, “Real philosophers don’t write for Salon…”
Entertaining to see that he wants the evil wealth produced by evil whites with evil fossil fuel to be given to beautiful blacks.
Surely they’re already living in the paradise he advocates for everyone – except him of course.
Salon are sponsored by pharma companies looking to shift blood pressure meds.
If they were defunded tomorrow – nobody would notice.
While it’s considered bad form to attack the messenger – something medieval to send these two berks back whence they came would be amusing.
Set them on fire and use a trebuchet.
@? Why not just print money faster than prices rise?
Because I can raise prices in my store tomorrow. The government takes weeks to get the money out. The ones who lose are savers in cash. See Weimar, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Argentina etc. for copious examples.
Are you really that stupid?
And of course the other one is
“Who paid for Quantitative Easing? Was your bank account debited for expensive, multi-trillion-dollar QE?”
We are now paying for it with double digit inflation. It was deferred, that is all.
It should be possible to read the entire history of human extinction in the time it takes for a morning dump, given that humans aren’t extinct. But it’s not surprising that socialists might wonder about the ethics of making humans extinct, they’ve had plenty of attempts.
the history and ethics of human extinction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg
“Phasing out fossil fuels thus means phasing out private control over energy production.”
Watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside.
British author James Delingpole wrote a book with the title: “Watermelons: The Green Movement’s True Colors”. Check out the picture on the cover of the book:
https://www.amazon.com/Watermelons-Green-Movements-True-Colors/dp/0983347409
“We are now paying for it with double digit inflation. It was deferred, that is all.”
Our host doesn’t think so. QE was just about lowering interest rates and moving investors further out along the risk curve to support asset prices. A purely technical operation that was totally and utterly under the control of the technocrats at the BoE. Nothing to do with pumping billions of printed money into the economy at all……….
You seem to be rather compressing what I did say. Which was risk curve and all that and a good idea at the time. And the reason there was not inflation was because it wasn’t leaking out into the real economy and increasing the broad money supply. That proviso obviously not holding when it does so leak and increase……which is what has been happening more recently.
‘… good idea instead of trying to, you know, solve climate change.’
Solve a 4.5 billion year, dynamic, chaotic , non-linear process?
I expect they are bust first solving how to stop the tides by fixing the Moon in a geostationary orbit, which on balance us probably going to be easier than ‘solving’ climate change.
By the by: does ‘solving’ climate change mean the seasons a would be eradicated? And what would we have, perpetual Winter, Summer, Autumn or Spring?
We are in the age of abstractions and absurdities.
“That proviso obviously not holding when it does so leak and increase……which is what has been happening more recently.”
I would think that it would >inevitably< leak as soon as people started investing and the economy actually started growing again (as opposed to financial manipulations to stabilize the currency system creaming off any growth that was happening). All this took was someone willing to haul back on the boot stepping on peoples' collective throats a little.
You are correct that a large increase in the money supply that corresponds to a large decrease in its velocity would not lead to inflation. But sooner or later the velocity does increase…
And I said repeatedly “when” v recovers then it’s necessary to reverse QE. If we don’t then there will be inflation. And, well, I’ve not been disproved, have I? Also, that if we don’t then this will indeed be monetisation of fiscal policy etc.
JohnB: I like that! The moon in geostationary orbit would be so close that the tidal rise would be enormous under it and on the opposite side too. Who do you want to flood today?