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Second, he has not noticed that the quantum of investment is not what matters: it is what it is used for that matters.

Quite so, quite so. It’s not how large the input is that matters, it’s how large the output is. So, if Britain saves and invests less but still gains a fruitful economy then we must be using that capital more efficiently. Which is good, economic efficiency is good.

And Wolf also fails to ask the glaringly obvious question, which is why when the City of London hosts the second largest financial market in the world is it that we save and invest so little?

Because we’ve a financial market allocating capital efficiently. QED.

11 thoughts on “Snigger”

  1. The UK saves and invests so little because the tax-and-benefit system discourages savings just as Murphy desires.
    e.g. Gordon Brown introduced an effective 100% tax rate on modest occupational pensions that had already been devalued by inflation.

  2. This was actually one of his more disturbing posts:

    First, he remains obsessed with growth. He has not yet noticed that w live on a finite planet. For an intelligent man who writes about climate change that is very odd.

    So his goal is to limit consumption of resources. It would appear his vision of the future is total state control of a private individual’s ‘level of resources’. I think even North Korea would balk at that level of control but for this individual Climate change requires the complete suppression of resource consumption.

    Second, he has not noticed that the quantum of investment is not what matters: it is what it is used for that matters. When the need is for social and sustainable infrastructure rather than more productive capacity to make products that can only bring the impact of climate change ever closer that is, again, very strange.

    This is beyond his customary demand for rationing and limiting consumption. On the production side the state will control everything made. If it’s ‘environmentally’ damaging or contributes to climate change then it’s manufacture will be banned. Only things ‘social’ and ‘sustainable’ will be permitted.

    Third, Wolf does not ask the very obvious question, which is why do we save so little? The answer is, of course, that people in the UK are so poorly paid on average that they do not have the capacity to do so whilst businesses are so obsessed with shareholder returns that they will not do so.

    Weirdly he makes an accurate observation here although he misdiagnoses the cause. Rephrased as such he actually hits the mark in part:

    Third, Wolf does not ask the very obvious question, which is why do we save so little? The answer is, of course, that people in the UK are so heavily taxed to pay for non productive people, like certain academics that they do not have the capacity to do so

    All in all – a deeply deranged post from someone who despite his protestations to the contrary is obsessed with power and control, and is, as I was barred from his Twitter feed back in 2013 for suggesting, probably the most dangerous man currently extant in Britain.

  3. probably the most dangerous man currently extant in Britain.
    I’d contest that. I think you’d find him on the Tory front bench. Or on the one opposite. They’re all holding the Murphy songsheet. He’s just the only one singing the words.

  4. I’ll also rephrase his final paragraph which reads thus:

    But what I also know is that this is damning evidence that the City of London not only does nothing for this country but actively fails it. For all the billions poured into it every day, with over £60 billion of tax relief attached a year, we got a truly appalling return.

    To this

    But what I also know is that this is damning evidence that the Public Sector not only does nothing for this country but actively fails it. For all the billions poured into it every day, with over £700 billion of taxpayer largesse a year , we got a truly appalling return.

    A far more accurate statement

  5. Isn't capital allocation really just fickle and arbitrary?

    When the markets need rescuing, where’s the limits on allocation and the talk of efficiency? Why shouldn’t we bail out poors like me with a strong basic income, and call it just as efficient as Quantitative Easing?

  6. RSM

    By ‘rescuing’ Markets back in 2008, we set ourselves on this path. We wouldn’t be talking about this 15 years on had those firms been allowed to go to the wall. No one in Finance would be receiving bonuses at the level that seems to alarm him and you so much.

    A Universal Basic Income would be A total disaster, as most of the bottom decile would squander the money in a day and the likes of you would be calling for it to rise and rise to pay for fecklessness. What we need is a far smaller state – we could lose 3 to 4 million people out of the public sector and most would not see any difference in the service provided.

  7. @VP

    “Markets” (no, banks) were given piles of taxpayer dosh because regulators had been more concerned about the number of skirts in the boardroom than whether retail customers (current account and short-term depositors) would be able to get their money out in the event of a bank run. Which was the point of the regulators in the first place.

    If the banks had been allowed to go to the wall, retail operations would have gone under because they were not kept separate from investment operations. This would have meant that individuals and companies would have which would have led to Awkward Questions for the Brown administration who presided over the massive expansion of the regulators both in terms of personnel and remit.

  8. Van Pittance, isn't there really just a whole lot of massive oversupply though?

    Are your examples of scarcity strained and cherry-picked and basically reducible to throttling due to arbitrary personalities, which could easily be less mean-hearted?

  9. RSM

    I did quite enjoy ‘Van Pittance’ as it goes – Murphy would be proud of ya!

    Not quite sure what you’re saying. There’s oversupply of what, money? So your solution appears to be to increase supply even more – thus locking in inflation for the long term?

    I’ve not introduced examples of ‘scarcity’ as far as I’m aware. Do you dispute my observations about the bottom 10% likely to need permanent subsidy to preserve differentials? Sadly ‘hard-hearted’ is one thing the state in the UK hasn’t been, arguably since the 1940s – and the hard working continue to pay ever increasing premiums to subsidize everyone else..

  10. Matt

    Given until the current regime the Blair/ Brown administration set a new bar for incompetence that I thought unsurpassable I completely agree with your diagnosis. That doesn’t mean those businesses shouldn’t have been allowed to go to the wall. Might have led to the reinstatement of a Glass/ Steagall style segregation which IMHO should never have been abandoned…

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