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Thousands gathered at New Jersey’s Point Pleasant beach on Sunday with a united mission: to pause offshore wind projects in response to recent whale deaths along the New York-New Jersey coast.

The gathering unfolded even as officials dispute the notion that the projects may be to blame for the dead whales, a controversy that – like many – is breaking along political party lines.

Holding signs reading “Save the Whales” and “Whale Lives Matter” on Sunday, World Whale Day, a coalition of ocean conservationist groups and homegrown activists argued that local wind turbine survey projects were harming marine wildlife.

Not that I know anything about it.

Except for one thing.

Whale populations have recovered. Sure, there’s concern over North Wright Whales (think that’s right) but in general there are a lot more cetaceans around than there were decades back.

So, there are going to be more carcasses of dead cetaceans around then. Only when that is taken into account can we even begin to think about whether there is something we’re doing which is killing more of them……

19 thoughts on “Sure, this could be”

  1. This is all just a distraction, I’m sorry to say.

    The wind farms will happen irrespective of their utility or any whale deaths because it’s not about wind farming or whale deaths but about money, power and control – and timing the pretend response to a non problem just right so as to avoid total societal breakdown which might actually end up on the doorsteps of the rich and powerful and their children.

    I’d ask for your thoughts on digital ID and the WHO treaty which the US is about to sign up to, but you don’t have any.

  2. Michael van der Riet

    Interested is not really interested in our thoughts on digital ID and the WHO. Interested is interested in the £5 minimum fee required to leave our thoughts. My thoughts on paywalled blogs are you and the horse you rode in on.

  3. I’d like to ask these protestors exactly how they think wind turbines working in the air can kill whales swimming in the sea – must be some sort of new physics there, maybe involving dark energy.

  4. Arthur: whales communicate via low frequency sounds, approximately the same frequency generated by offshore wind farms, interfering with navigation leading to beaching.

  5. I have a wonderful solution to this problem. Why not burn fossil fuels to generate this power.

    The pleasant smell of burning coal and gas will make sure the whales are full of vigor and energy. And the nasty squeals of the windmills will be eliminated.

  6. Fossil fuel prevented the extermination of whales through eliminating the need for whale oil.

    It’s ironic that wind turbines eliminating the need for fossil fuel will lead to the extermination of the whale.

  7. errrmm.. infrasound in whales isn’t used for navigation. Communication and group cohesion, yes. Navigation, no.
    And they, like us, have voices. Recogniseable to them just as individual voices are recogniseable to us.

    The hum of bird choppers might make places more noisy to whales, but it’s nothing like the level of infrasound noise created by waves, for instance.

    Our Host’s observation is more on point, really.
    With the rebound of the cetacean populations, there has been an increasing amount of finds of dead and dying whales and porpoises on the coasts of Clogland.
    The finds are always autopsied and analysed, and almost all of them were either ill/diseased or escaped predation but were terminally wounded ( those “cute” grey seals hunt and eat porpoises…). There was only one clear proof of a drive-by accident with a ship last year.

    And if all that infrasound would confuse whales, why the hell would humpbacks play Tourist in the North Sea/Channel area?
    Between the shipping noise, the windmill parks already in place, and coasts that are made for beachings it’s like being at a metal concert with a mosh pit lined with barbed wire and broken bottles for a floor to them.

    More whales = more beachings. And more whales with a masochistic streak and good taste in music..

  8. I thought whales were being killed by plastic straws, plastic coffee cups and plastic mixer-particles – it’s difficult to keep up with The Narrative™️.

  9. Is the precautionary principle MIA or simply considered ‘passe’ these days if the matter concerns settled science / the narrative / the current madness of the sheeple.

    They’ll stop any sort of construction if there is one iota of possibilty it’ll impact negatively on trees, newts, butterflies or grass, but fuck the whales / birds / bats if it’s a wind farm.

  10. Also, tinitus may not affect my ability to navigate around Lidl’s, but people who suffer from tinitus may suffer from depression and in some cases, top themselves.

  11. Callao

    Dailysceptic requires a basic £5 sub if you want to post comments below the line there, not to read either the site or those btl comments.

    Which, as Interested pointed out, has got f all to do with what he said.

  12. As others have pointed out, it is “Right” Whale. Apparently so named because for early whalers it was slow and easily caught, and once harpooned and killed it floated, and it also had a useful quantity of blubber/oil. Hence it was the “right” whale to encounter and hunt.

    And although we can’t (yet) be sure if the turbines to interfere with whale navigation or communication, it certainly could. Remember that the mere thought that infra sound from turbines was rubbish Ed not that many years go, but is a pretty accepted issue now with some distinct and established downsides.

    Rather like the argument about wifi affecting people, completely dismissed for many years. But I know from personal experience and testing that at least some (rare) people are affected. Had a person I worked with who could tell with 100% accuracy if a high powered wifi was on or off when completely (to my satisfaction anyway) without any technical means to detect it. So in a room with zero tech equipment, no line of sight, and no accomplice signalling, in over 20 tests could tell. And developed disabling migraines over 1-2 hours. The only person I’ve encountered and only to a “modern” ( at the time) new higher powered system. The older and lower powered systems were undetectable.

    The above just to make the point, dismissing something as untrue can be a mistake as there’s in most ways a hell of lot more that we don’t know than we do know. For the whales, it could just be that quite specific frequencies are the issue, and that the existing turbines hit that in their power output sweet spot. No idea if t is the case, or if whales ar ctually affected, but also cannot conclude that definitely they are not.

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