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This always puzzles

Let’s be candid. Johnson had no choice but to do that. The alternative was to make it a land border in Ireland and that would have breached the Good Friday Agreement that has delivered a period of lasting peace and relative prosperity in Northern Ireland.

I have actually read the GFA in its totality. And I’ve not seen any reference at all to a land border, let alone an insistence that there not be one. So, where is this coming from?

17 thoughts on “This always puzzles”

  1. So people are opposed to a border between north and south. Ok. We don’t want a border between NI and the rest of the UK. That leaves one between the south and the the rest of the EU. Had I been negotiating that would have been my starting position.

  2. People have inferred a lot by what happened after the Belfast Agreement. We took down border security. But that was never about someone moving some Guinness and Enya albums. It was about guns and bombs.

    And you know what, I don’t think the Belfast Agreement really brought peace and prosperity. I think it’s more that no-one cares much about owning more land to grow potatoes on any longer. You shift from an agricultural to an industrial economy as the republic has over the last 40 years, you stop thinking about having more land as prosperity. You stop being so tribal.

    You can also see this reflected in the growth of the Alliance party in Northern Ireland. People who don’t care about being in a tribe and just want their bins emptying.

    People think of political actions as causing change, but I think they generally follow change outside. That by the time the politicians reach a point that they sign an agreement, things have already shifted. I mean, why didn’t the Belfast Agreement happen earlier?

  3. Has Rashee sold NI to the EU yet, or are they too busy ensuring every hotel in the country has a full complement of illiterate foreign thugs?

  4. BoM4

    “You stop being so tribal.”

    Tell that to the South, who are on course to put the Shinners in power.

    It’s sort of amazing that, as they swapped the Catholic church for the Church of Woke, the Irish have become more nationalistic, or, to be precise, more Anglophobic.

  5. Recusant – Sinn Feinn in 2023 is a woke lefty party that fully supports replacing the Irish population with Africans.

  6. Steve,

    Exactly. I mean, this is like Labour still being called the Labour party, like it’s still supported by people working on lathes rather than lecturers in Feminist studies and luvvies.

    Sure, Sinn Fein are going to talk about reunification, because there’s free votes in it. But how much action are they taking? Like all those times that Conservatives say “I wuv Margaret Thatcher” while doing nothing about the cancer of socialism in the public sector.

  7. Tim

    Georgesdelatour has it – the rumour was that Martin Selmayr, known as ‘The Beast of the Berlaymont’ and a rampant Euro Federast said that the price of Brexit would be Northern Ireland beinhg severed from the UK. Described by those that have encountered him as being rather akin to Klaus Barbie ‘The butcher of Lyon’, he oozes malevolence and hatred to anyone who stands in his way on the road to a Federal Europe.

    On the topic of Spud, does his use of the term ‘candidly’ indicate that his nonsense is going to be even more removed from reality than normal?

    Steve/ BOM4 – spot on – I’d actually prefer it if they sent in the men in balaclavas with batons to kneecap me than being forced to endure ‘Woke hectoring’ for an afternoon

  8. Van_Patten,

    “I’d actually prefer it if they sent in the men in balaclavas with batons to kneecap me than being forced to endure ‘Woke hectoring’ for an afternoon”

    The military wing of the tranny story hour didn’t work out because they couldn’t run in high heels.

  9. Because pathetic Englishmen want to be polite to people who scream at them? Back in the 70’s, a member of the Falklands government was advised to “paint your face black and burn down Government House. Then they won’t be able to do enough for you” when he asked why the British government was so keen on appeasing Argentina 🙁

  10. Sinn Fein are polling well at the moment because most people are sick of politics as it has been run in Ireland for the last 10 years (Fianna Fail and Fine Gael taking it in turns to run the country often in coalition with smaller parties who are then sacrificed (holding thumbs that happens to the greens)) and are looking for an alternative. Sinn Fein have managed to project they are the party of the grassroots and FF/FG/Greens are the party of the elites. The final straw was when FF and FG overthrew 100 years of antagonism to go into coalition together to keep SF out. This was manna from heaven for the shinners which enhanced their party of the people portrayal. Add covid and a cost of living crisis triggered by printing money during the lockdowns and SF are on track to be the next ruling party. People don’t care much for re-unification other than a nebulous ideal.

    One positive is that SF have wholly embraced the refugees welcome platform, whereas the majority of the population are against it. Unfortunately, all the parties are on the same side re refugees, so whether it hurts them remains to be seen.

  11. Those negotiating for the UK (in every single policy area) find Brexit abhorrent and will do everything in their power to fuck it up* and then turn around and say “Ya Ya, told you so”.

    *This is obviously the EU position but at least the EU negotiators aren’t traitors.

    The UK postion should be: “The UK will not impose a hard border between North and South. End of. If the EU chooses to impose such a border between South and North you are quite at liberty to do so and should suffer the consequences”.

    As mentioned, the GFA has no reference to borders. The (manufactured) issue seems to be the ECHR.

  12. People who want us to follow more rules think that everything is an absolute rule to be followed. Is anyone actually surprised?

  13. It’s the usual difference between “we’ve no rule for that, don’t do it” and “we’ve no rule for that, nothing to stop you”.

  14. ‘The UK postion should be: “The UK will not impose a hard border between North and South. End of. If the EU chooses to impose such a border between South and North you are quite at liberty to do so and should suffer the consequences”.

    Yes Addolff. +1000%

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