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The BBC discussed the budget yesterday, and Lineker, and anything but the fact that the NHS has reached the point where junior doctors are paid less than people in Pret

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Junior doctors paid lower hourly rate than workers to get at Pret

Those are not, in fact, junior doctors. Those are trainee doctors.

There are two national pay scales which doctors in training in England may be paid under depending on their contract of employment.

These are people three minutes out from their undergraduate degree.

Before you become a UK doctor you first have to obtain a degree in medicine from a medical school whose medical degrees we accept. Courses normally last five years, or four years for a graduate entry programme. They involve basic medical sciences as well as clinical training on the wards.

After graduation, you’ll enter the two-year Foundation Programme. You’ll be provisionally registered with a licence to practise while completing the first year. Full registration is awarded when you’ve completed year one.

They’re provisional doctors, with an L-plate……

17 thoughts on “Err, no”

  1. Junior doctors paid lower hourly rate than workers to get at Pret

    The solution presents itself

  2. “Prospective solicitors must enroll with the Law Society of England and Wales as a student member and take a one-year course called the Legal Practice Course (LPC), usually followed by two years’ apprenticeship, known as a training contract.”

    What do law graduates get paid in that first year? Or do they pay college fees and cover their own maintenance?

    What about the next two years? What sort of pay do they get for that?

  3. Pret announced earlier this month that it was giving staff a third pay rise in 12 months, with its baristas able to earn up to £11.80 to £14.10 an hour depending on location and experience. The highest hourly pay in the new rates starting from April includes a bonus for providing good service.

    Pret staff are able to earn “up to” X, after gaining experience.

    In contrast, the basic hourly pay of junior doctor can be as low as £14.09 in the first year of work-based training. This is based on a full-time salary of £29,384 for foundation year 1 for 2022-23.

    Trainee doctor pay “can be as low as” Y, for a brief period while they’re still young and being given lots of expensive and valuable training that should set them up for life as comfortably paid middle class professionals.

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  4. Speaking of the BBC, how does the junior doctor hourly rate compare with the Sir Gary Lineker hourly rate?

  5. Trainee barista = £11.80 per hour.
    Experienced barista £14.10 per hour.

    Trainee Doctor £29,384 per year.
    Experienced doctor (4 – 9 years) £71,300,
    10 – 20 years = £121,300,
    Late career £143,000.

    Doctors may well not earn a fortune when training, but I think it is more than made up for afterwards eh?

  6. The F’;ker is calling for a potential return of restrictions to ‘ease the pressure’ – just because he’s been banned from the pub everyone else will have to be. Truly odious.

  7. “The BBC discussed the budget yesterday, and Lineker, and anything but the fact that the NHS has reached the point where junior doctors are paid less than people in Prêt”

    I wish Spud would explain how he was able to listen to the BBC and not hear any coverage of this “story”. I listened to the Beeb for 1.5 hours yesterday during a car journey and received the lecture at least 3 times

  8. Apparently the biased right wing fascists at the BBC are having him on the radio for the budget. No chance of him giving up a few quid and some willy waving for a boycott in support of Lineker.

  9. More Lefty “facts are inconvenient so let’s ignore them”

    Barista – Paid £14 an hour plus 5% DC pension contribution plus holiday pay
    DR – Paid £14 an hour plus 30-50% final salary pension contribution plus holiday pay

    Barista – Pension is likely to grow enough to stop them claiming benefits if they are lucky.
    DR – Pension is inflation linked, could be worth millions at no risk and guaranteed by the state who can take money from the rest of us to keep retired doctors on cruises

  10. Don’t think we have a shortage of junior doctors do we? It’s further up the payscale that the problems begin, given early retirements, women dropping out to have kids, people moving to other countries with higher pay?

  11. Trainee Doctors surely accidentally kill in their first year.
    They should think of it as a £10/hour an hour levy to commit manslaughter and learn from it.

  12. I’m a Doctor.

    The amount of falsehoods and lies the BMA havd produced is staggering.

    1. Docs are not paid by the hour, they have a basic salary which been divided by a working week to produce this figure.

    2. This figure fails to take into account extra pay for non sociable hours paid at 1.32.

    3. It fails to take into account extra pay for entering in need specialities and on call pay.

    4. The gradient of pay rises for progression is steep.

    All in all few junior doctors earn less than 30k many earn much much more.

    If you go on doc only Web pages Dr trot is out in force claiming they will bring the government down etc….yawn.


  13. My doctor’s a friendly old soul but I certainly wouldn’t take health advice from him: overweight and with a heart bypass under his belt. Given an Internet connection and a prescription pad I’d happily go my own way.

  14. They’d be absolutely astounded to learn how little a trainee barrister in pupillage earns. Like junior doctors, they’re on the first step towards a high-earning profession; but unlike junior doctors (who basically just need to avoid accidentally shagging a patient and being caught) only a minority will become high earners.

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