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Well, yes, of course, vote Ukip!

The Independent published new polling yesterday that showed that 61% of people in the UK wanted a completely new type of political party and would reject both the Tories and Loabou if only they felt able to do so.

26 thoughts on “Well, yes, of course, vote Ukip!”

  1. I really do like Loabou.

    But I must admit I’d vote to give the foreigners the finger. Of course I’m a foreigner myself.

  2. His post on the Fox News item is quite an interesting one if you haven’t seen it – apparently the UK media is ‘right wing’ and denying his obvious truisms airtime. It would be very hard to be more delusional without extensive pharmalogical intervention – I’d suggest Anglia water check out the water supply in Ely for interference.

  3. I’d suggest, on form, UKIP is exactly the party you don’t want to vote for. Judging by their strategies for what would come after a Leave referendum result. (ie none) they’re the reason for five years of disaster.

  4. The Meissen Bison

    Crikey – not UKIP nor even son of UKIP, perhaps the Brexit party as was. Mind you, in the short term the fall-out from Windsor Frame-Up should be entertaining!

  5. Judging by their strategies for what would come after a Leave referendum result. (ie none) they’re the reason for five years of disaster.

    Hmmm. If I campaign for our right to drive cars, am I obliged to design driving lessons? Am I responsible if you drive off a cliff?

  6. @PJF
    If you want to campaign for the right to drive cars, it’s probably good to consider the results of the right. Getting the right enforced? This is, after all, politics

  7. The past “five years of disaster” (a daft and pointless exaggeration, as usual; even the time scale is wrong) came about partly through Brexiteer incompetence, but was more than amplified by pettifogging EU intransigence and cack-handed attempts by banana-brained Remainers to throw spanners in the works. UKIP bear partial culpability for the first situation arising, but not for the second or third. And given the determination to stop Brexit from happening and the division among Leavers about the best way forward, even the best laid “plans” would have shattered the moment reality intruded anyway.

  8. Addolff said:
    “Micron demonstrated it is indeed possible to upset the applecart, in 2017.”

    Different election system – I think the French 2-stage run-off really changes how people vote, making it much easier for outside candidates to do well (because people know they’ll have a second vote if their preferred candidate doesn’t do well).

    If they ever have us a proper PR system in Britain (rather than the nonsense the LibDems tried to foist on us), we might see some real changes.

  9. Anything but PR, the worst electoral system (out of a poor bunch). A system whereby the people vote and then the politicians decide who has won. No thanks. The French system is OK, if a bit long-winded – I prefer ours, where we hold a GE and the following day there’s a removal van in Downing Street.

  10. @ bloke in Spain

    UKIP weren’t in power to implement anything after the 2016 referendum, so directing blame to them is very wide of the mark.

  11. BiS

    UKIP can be blamed for being naive but for the mendacity of the EU and what is basically a fifth column in academia and the popular media I
    Don’t necessarily think they can carry the whole can! The problem that effectively the ruling class committed what amounts to high treason for 4 decades regarding the EU and then said ‘well you can’t actually leave that arrangement’ – that’s the reality.

  12. Well I for one will not be voting Loabou

    UKIP Do seem to have some coherent policies for Government now. If they have a candidate in our area, I’d give them a vote. If not, I won’t be voting, as usual

  13. If not, I won’t be voting, as usual

    I don’t agree with not voting. If there’s nothing else, vote for the candidate with the nicest tits: at least then you might have something to stare at while they’re fucking you over.

  14. @V-P
    If I could work out what would happen a year before the referendum was held, why couldn’t they? And yes, I did ask someone very close to the leadership what they’d planned for if they won. And got back “Wait & see!” I’m still waiting.
    I suggested then that the establishment wouldn’t accept defeat. That they’d use every trick in the book to confound it. And more particularly, every trick not in the book. They’d not play by the rules. If I was in their position, I wouldn’t. Rules are for losers.
    The morning the result was announced wasn’t time for a victory celebration. It was the first shot in a war. A war that’s still not over.
    That’s the real world. Not a public school playing field.

  15. Bloke in North Dorset

    UKIP may or may not have had a plan for UK after Brexit, but they weren’t in government and Brexit was implemented in the first phase by Remainers whose understanding of Brexiteers was the strawman caricature they’d been feeding the public during the referendum.

    By the time we got to getting a Brexiteer in No 10 it was Boris and by that stage we were all weary and just wanted Brexit done. And then Covid.

    In the meantime most of the Remainer elite are still pulling the strings.

    That said, I won’t be voting UKIP if they stand here, they have turned in to that strawman caricature. The Reform Party? Possibly.

  16. BiS

    I would agree with that – although they’re something of persona non grata here, that’s the Core arguments of Richard North and co regarding the post Brexit vote planning (or lack thereof) – and you are spot on the Remainiac tendency and their refusal to take it lying down. It’s the equivalent of the Baathists who supported Islamic state in Iraq.

  17. Like I said in a comment on another thread, V-P, I don’t have an opinion about Brexit one way or the other. Not my country. Although it’s been such a pain in the ass for so little gain maybe better… But I certainly wouldn’t have run it like that. I think a UKIC(ontinuation)Party snapping at politicians heels right from day one would have concentrated a lot of minds.

  18. , just a suggestion.

    There’s the thing they’d need some financial support to put up a candidate in enough constituencies to matter, but….

    As we can safely state the UK is ruled by clowns anyway, you might as well vote in professional ones.
    It’d be a fun social experiment to see if they’d bugger things up as bad, or would actually do better than the lot ruling the roost now.

    And it’d make the election programs/propaganda massively more entertaining…

  19. Ah, and FPTP v/s PR…

    They both have their disadvantages, but looking at it after decades after being able to vote, and how peeps are doing in Furrin’….

    As far as I can tell, PR has less risk of Clowns.
    And that’s …ummm… daily reality…
    The most stable and rich countries are those with a constitutional monarchy and PR. This can *only* be beat by a benevolent dictatorship.

    Pick your Poison, but numbers don’t lie…

  20. Ah, but which PR? And comparing with Macron is flawed, we don’t elect our Chief Executive, we elect the board that selects him/her.

  21. As far as I can tell, PR has less risk of Clowns.

    No clowns in NL? and as for DE …

    It’s possible that PR may make countries slightly better off (though cause and effect may be hard to distinguish), but I’d rather be a bit poorer if that means I have a bit more say over who governs me. That was the argument for Brexit, IMHO.

    And as for “Brexiteers had no plan”, the entire point of Brexit was to allow the UK to form its own policies once more. There’s absolutely no reason why those who thought this was a good idea would agree on what those policies should be. Although support for Brexit is painted as ‘far right’ by the usual suspects (in The Guardian sense of meaning “something you’re supposed to be against”), there’s always been support for it on the left, as well – Tony Benn and more recently Corbo, for example.

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