Shame?

The true shame being the shamelessness with which the pursuit of someone inconvenient to the political plan was undertaken.

They literally just convicted a guy of spreading funny jokes about Hillary Clinton on the internet.

Trump has some measure of protection because he’s still a billionaire, but ordinary Americans can no longer depend on any of their supposed constitutional rights.

Federal harassment, long jail terms without charge, process crimes and blatant, politically motivated redefinitions of facts and laws to secure desired convictions are now SOP in the Land of the Free.

It may be politically astute. When DJT wins the next election, it will be harder for him to indict the Biden Family because DJT could be accused of petty revenge against a long (self) serving public figure.

As others have noted, the US has been turned into an extremely wealthy banana republic.

Trump has picked up $7 million in donations since the indictment and it appears many Americans can see the prosecution for what it really is, political persecution. Go Trump 2024.

Ian Collins, the TalkTV presenter (who I initially thought was pretty sane but has shown a couple of times he is a div) can’t understand why people in the UK who don’t know Trump personally think he is being unfairly targetted.
I wonder if he would have thought the same about those who supported Nelson Mandela, MLK, Aung Sang Suu Kyi, Ghandi, et al.

@Addolff

Is the US extremely wealthy? I’d say it is extremely broke, and on a Cresta run slide to the brokest brokeness ever.

Re Trump, I dunno. It seems at least possible to me that this is all designed to shut out Desantis, who strikes me as sane, intelligent, young, and mentally strong enough to reject the worst of the Covid bullshit, and is thus the genuine threat to the deep state.

Trump is more likely to stir up the oppo, and even if he gets in is old enough, dumb enough, egotistical enough and politically unworldly ernough to be hopelessly outmanouevred in office (again).

Plan B is obviously to demonise Desantis as worse than Trump/Hitler, and thast process has already begun.

Biden may be doing long-term damage, however America remains considerably more dynamic and business-like than Europe. Besides that, the Federal structure allows different States to take different paths. Florida and Texas are growing at the expense of New York and California, and this trend will continue.

Can’t disagree with Interested on Desantis v Trump though.

Jack – Texas and Florida are also being overrun by Californians and Mexicans, who overwhelmingly vote D.

Texas is already starting to come into play for the Democrats, it’ll be a reliable blue state within 20 years if the USA makes it that long.

In addition to the chip wars and economic sanctions, the US seems to be seriously planning war with China before the end of this decade. They will lose, and that will mark the formal end of the American experiment.

Israel better be looking for a new sugar daddy.

“Jack – Texas and Florida are also being overrun by Californians and Mexicans, who overwhelmingly vote D.”

That was the theory, with 2016 being the last time the Republicans could win in Florida. The reverse has happened.

BiS, Jack – slowly, slowly, then all at once.

Betting on the middle class isn’t a long term play, because the middle class are a small percentage (though they are disproportionately likely to vote) of the overall tsunami of migration that’s Making Tejas Mexican Again (and Somali, and Pakistani, and Guatemalan, and Nigerian, and so on).

No guarantees the Dems will be able to maintain their coalition of grievances forever, but we do know demography is destiny, and white Americans are now outnumbered there. So Texas is going to become more like Chihuahua over time, and less like Connecticut.

California used to be a solid Republican state with a white majority too.

PJF – China’s economy is a house of cards built on quicksands of CCP lies

Sure, but it’s not all lies. Their factories are real. Their supply chains are real. Their power stations are real. Their manufacturing know how is real. They produce real, physical things of value people want to buy. On t’other, I’m not convinced Google is really “worth” $1.3 Tn, are you?

China has big problems, but compared to the US – the most indebted nation in the history of mankind, and still spending money like a drunken chimpanzee at a banana bar – I’d suggest their problems are more soluble.

Btw, the average IQ in China is 104. America has already slipped below the (European) average, trending towards the Latin American mean. Have you seen Mike Judge’s documentary ‘Idiocracy’?

A “conflict over Taiwan”? You think the CCP might be duped into invading, like poor confused halfwitted Vladdy was? Funny how these dignified nationalist strongmen with their high IQs keep falling for Yankee treachery.

The suggestion that the US is actively seeking war with China is beyond deranged. The CCP is constantly threatening the territory of its neighbours and Taiwan is just the most egregious example. The US and the rest of the West should actually be ashamed of pandering to the CCP’s ‘One China’ delusions for so long.

And of course you had to have a dig at Israel too.

Oh Steve, I remember when you were funny, not a sad little Jew-baiter fantasising about the death of the west and fetishising oppressive dumps like China and Russia because you’re unhappy with the direction of politics at home.

I think Steve is getting his military intelligence from the same source which assured us that Ukraine was “a retarded nation of potato farmers” in January last year.

Steve:
No guarantees the Dems will be able to maintain their coalition of grievances forever, but we do know demography is destiny…

No, this is one of the many, many things about politics that we cannot claim to know. Hillary Clinton also thought “demography was destiny” in 2016, and look what happened to her.

This goes beyond political persecution.

This is the same district attorney who downgraded felony offenses like assaults, rapes and robberies to misdemeanors. Even for murder, many times perps are released from NYC prisons within 24-48 hours.

Meanwhile, innocent working people who defend themselves against armed attackers are sent to prison and are at risk of being charged with murder or attempted murder. Happened a few months ago to Jose Alba, a Dominican immigrant who ran a bodega (convenience store) and was attacked by a big ex-convict when he ran out of food stamps to pay for his stuff. The man’s girlfriend stabbed Jose while he jumped behind the counter and cornered the clerk, but Jose stabbed him in the neck with his own knife and killed him. Jose spent the next several days in Riker’s prison (one of the country’s toughest) and was facing about $500,000 bail. It wasn’t until news got out and people protested that Alvin Bragg was pressured to lower it to $250,000, then $50,000. Even worse, GoFundMe–despite gladly allowing bail money for AntiFa and BLM–took down his page and the family had to find an alternative, GiveSendGo.

Eventually, Jose’s family was able to get him released with $5,000. Last time I checked, he was considering going back to the DR after enduring this treatment. Apparently, in NYC you’re just supposed to cower in fear and accept your imminent death.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/07/judge-lowers-bail-on-nyc-bodega-worker-judge-lowers-bail-on-nyc-bodega-clerk-jose-alba-charged-with-murder-in-self-defense-casecharged-with-murder-in-self-defense-case/

Just this past week, a garage attendant investigated a man wandering around the facility, and the guy pulled a gun and began shooting. The attendant wasn’t armed, but he wrestled the gun from the assailant and started shooting back. The attacker wasn’t killed, but both men were charged with a form of assault. The attendant is likely to eventually be exonerated, much like Jose Alba was, but he still had to spend the first day or two of his hospital stay in handcuffs. I imagine he was expecting the same fate as the last guy.

https://nypost.com/2023/04/02/shot-nyc-parking-garage-worker-weeps-while-cuffed-to-bed/

Alvin Bragg’s election campaign was funded by a George Soros-backed organization. The media, including reporters from the big networks, are not only overlooking Bragg’s incompetence/corruption/malevolence, but they’re also calling anyone who mentions Soros’ involvement an “anti-Semite” just for noticing reality.

That’s the real reason why people are upset about Trump’s indictment. It’s being rubbed in our faces that your life doesn’t matter if you’re a mere citizen. I really hope the BBC/Guardian/Telegraph haven’t been hiding these details from you guys. If they have, then please inform your fellow countrymen.

She’s still a member of the establishment in good standing, while the guy who defeated her is going to jail?

Yup he gives a payoff to a whore and gets busted, Biden takes money from the Ukis and the CCP abd that’s just dandy.

As for Hillary losing state secrets via her shithouse mail server well.. I just don’t have the words for how fucked the US is.

And MC, you’re a cunt.

I would suggest that in general, Trump and his paid staff have been fairly good at covering their tracks – that’s one thing wealth can buy you, people who know how to do that – and that makes it hard to dig enough to find the real dirt. The thing to remember here is that one thing he has NOT been charged with was paying off a porn star – entering into a legally binding agreement where A gives B a load of money in return for B not speaking about certain matters is generally legal (unless the thing not to be talked about is itself a criminal offence).
Full disclosure, I’ve been the recipient of a payout in the past – previous employer offered me a “satisfactory amount”, and in return I agreed not to talk about why I was leaving. The alternative would have been an employment tribunal where I’d probably have been awarded a similar amount, and it would have been a complete ball ache for both me and the employer.

Had he put down the money he paid to his lawyer as (effectively) “hush money for B” then AUI most if not all of these charges would not be valid. But because he put the payments down as legal fees then that’s a real offence of falsifying business records – which is what he’s been charged with. Are we supposed to ignore the rules on keeping accurate business records simply because he’s a rich guy, or because the recipient is a porn star, or he’s a prominent politician, or … ? Arguably, someone in Trump’s position should be held to a high standard because he’s in a position to pay experts to get such details right.

Alongside that, there are claims that he broke the rules on what people are and aren’t allowed to do while campaigning in an election. It seems to me that if those rules are there, and some rich guy thinks he can ignore them with impunity, then it’s reasonable for that rich guy to face the consequences of (allegedly) breaking the law. If you are going to dismiss this as nothing more than a political witch-hunt, the doesn’t that imply you don’t think everyone should be held to obey the laws of the land ? If the argument is “but X did worse and they’ve not been charged”, then the argument should be that “X did something illegal and should be charged” – i.e. uphold the law for everyone.

Personally I would be surprised if he isn’t guilty, and if he’s found guilty of these relatively minor charges, that will give the authorities “due cause” to be able to look into stuff they couldn’t before. The result of that may be that more serious offences come to light and the house of cards starts collapsing.
These may seem petty charges, but Al Capone was taken down by tax evasion charges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone#Tax_evasion