British Black women die in childbirth at an appalling rate. I’m tired of fighting a racist system in vain
Candice Brathwaite
Black women are four times more likely than white women to die giving birth. Fixing that requires change that goes way beyond healthcare
Is there anywhere in the world where the black maternity death rate is lower than the white? That is, are we looking at a feature of British society or a feature of genetics?
For we do rather need to answer that question so as to be able to solve the problem, don’t we?
Black people are our most intelligent and productive citizens, and according to British TV they make up the majority of British households, so I’m sure they will fix whatever the problem is here and then twerk about it on Question Time.
“Is there anywhere in the world where the black maternity death rate is lower than the white?”
Racism being ubiquitous, of course not.
Black people are overwhelmingly recent arrivals and their offspring, recent arrivals are overwhelmingly at the bottom of the pile by definition (if not, they’re called conquerors not immigrants), people at the bottom of the pile have bad healthcare outcomes. What was the healthcare outcome of Polish Jews newly arrived in 1850 compared to their decendants in 1950?
As the article points out, the fact that the blacks are not the absolute rulers of the UK is a disgusting example of white racism.
British Black women die in childbirth at an appalling rate.
I wonder. British black women or black women giving birth in Britain. The two are not necessarily the same thing. Which?
Is there anywhere in the world where the black maternity death rate is lower than the white?
Wikipedia data on maternity deaths* shows the UK at 7 per 100,000 or 28 per 100,000 for black women. The best figure for a black majority nation is South Africa on 119 per 100k, although that is partially the consequence of a healthcare system designed by evil whitey. The next best is Botswana on 144.
Clearly Botswana’s healthcare system is riven with internalised racism.
* I used the 2017 data cos the latest (2020) data is patchy and messed up due to lockdowns. For example, maternity mortality increased 40% between 2017 and 2020 in the UK, presumably thanks to shutting down the NHS.
That racism review of 2 years back (sewell i think) said maternal death rates are historically low, and the cases should be judged individually. Some were immigrants arriving in the UK heavily pregnant having been beaten by their partners or parents and should not be judged by group identity.
The NHS needs to expand its healthcare provision with witch doctors and FGM, and also offer fried chicken for meals.
Obese, pregnant woman are at an increased risk of experiencing complications of labour and serious morbidity.
British Medical Council
72.0% of adults from black ethnic groups were overweight or living with obesity – the highest percentage out of all ethnic groups
GOV.UK website
A reasonable starting point for objective analysis.
Seriously.. Risk has been cut so far down, you’re actually down to racial genetic dispositions throwing the numbers. Like for asians and diabetes.
It’s actually in the technical details in the reports, but not in the “discussion”.
Average odds is 1 in 10.000 , and the reports state most deaths happen “in complicated cases”, so for your average “healthy” lass the odds are even better. Closer to the 1 in 50.000 range.
Note that the UK/Wales had a mortality rate of roughly 40 per 1000 (4% (!!!)) up until 1940…..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1633559/
So really dunno what they’re complaining about.
Well, one has to chase through two links to find the actual raw data (where one has to admire the chutzpah of presenting 95% confidence intervals for what is whole-population data).
Sure the effect is real, confounded as already observed, but can we take a moment to admire the sheer fucking awesomeness of only having 229 maternal deaths among over two million births?
It’s because of the lack of black nurses & midwives in the NHS. We need to strip Africa of cheap medical workers even more than we already do.
@ BiFR
They are quoting confidence intervals because they are trying to move from *observed* (not necessarily identical to actual) frequency distributions to a probability distribution.
Thomas Sowell has noted a similar thing in the USA. Death in childbirth or still births are in descending order, worst first: Black, White, Hispanic. But pre-natal care in descending order, best first: White, Black, Hispanic.
Obese pregnant woman are at an increased risk of experiencing complications of labour and serious morbidity.
Who on earth is impregnating these land whales?
“For we do rather need to answer that question so as to be able to solve the problem, don’t we?“
Don’t you oppress me with your white supremacist logic and reason! I mean, if we analyzed the problem calmly and analytically, we might find that nobody’s actually to blame, and then where would we be? How are the intellectually inept and resentful supposed to get on in life without scapegoats?
This has been known for a long time.
Sub-Saharan African women have deeper and narrower – on average – hips than European women, who have deeper and narrower hips – on average – than Asian women. This creates a longer and narrower birth canal, which increases the dangers of childbirth. African women, all things being equal, will have greater numbers of maternal deaths than European women, who will have greater numbers than Asian women.
It also, like for men(narrower hips, that is) increases your running speed.
I wonder if female circumcision widely practiced still among real African women which causes many complications in the uterus and birth canal, plays any part? Or am I being racist?
If only Harold Shipman had been an obstetrician…
John B
Since 2003 we have had a law prohibiting FGM. 16 years later in 2019 the first successful prosecution took place. However Government statistics at that time estimated there were 137,000 girls and women living in the UK who have been subject to FGM (which by my reckoning means a further 136,999 prosecutions should have taken place).
Another puzzler.
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/04/20/no-bbc-racism-is-not-killing-black-mothers/
Who on earth is impregnating these land whales?
Presumably a BBC is necessary and you what they say about the “length” of black men…
O/T but illustrating either the quality or sympathies of Torygraph journalism:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/22/jk-rowling-trans-row-jolyon-maugham-kc-book-review/
Read it & anyone who’s been following Kimonoed Fox Batterer’s lawfare campaign will know that he’s lost virtually all of his court actions with costs being awarded against him. Nevertheless he seems to have benefited greatly from the crowdfunding he’s continually begging for.
By omitting to mention the court outcomes the article gives the impression it’s just an evenly balanced Maugham/Rowling spat over a Times book review