A very good definition of an honourable manJuly 6, 2023 Tim WorstallCivil Liberty35 CommentsI should rather be a loser than a cheat John77 In a comment on this blog. Aye. previousErr, yes, rightnextIn the Tele 35 thoughts on “A very good definition of an honourable man” Tom July 7, 2023 at 2:07 am My mum told me there was no point in cheating. Cheats may fool other people but *they* will always know they lost. Lord Blackadder July 7, 2023 at 3:13 am Yes, yes, very good. Now just sign here . . . Boganboy July 7, 2023 at 4:59 am This does remind me of the tale I read of the bureaucrats telling Kaiser Bill that the treaty Bismarck signed with Russia contradicted the treaty he signed with Austria. So Bill, being young, honourable and unused to politics, agreed that it had to be allowed to lapse. Andrew C July 7, 2023 at 7:44 am To which I’d add my mantra from my rugby days. You get beaten if the other side score more points than you, you only lose if you haven’t tried your best. bloke in spain July 7, 2023 at 8:03 am I can only remind everyone of the UK Brixit campaign following the referendum result. Ottokring July 7, 2023 at 8:12 am BiS I recently had an online spat with someone about “lies on the bus”. I explained that thanks to Treason May and Boris Lenin, our Brexit dividend has indeed been wasted on the NHS. Not sure what shocked him more : the fact that I had numbers to prove it or the fact that I didn’t approve. Steve July 7, 2023 at 8:15 am All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you. bloke in spain July 7, 2023 at 8:46 am Yeah Ottokring. And you can put the blame for that & much else firmly at the door of the Leave campaign. Before the Referendum I asked a Leave campaigner & confidant of Farage what the plans were, should the result go their way. I was given a crafty smile & told to wait & see. I am still waiting. Useless bunch of public school boy cricketers & rugger buggers, honourable men all. It all came out exactly as I predicted. A referendum win would be a favourable skirmish in a long & protracted war. One that’s far from over but probably lost. Steve July 7, 2023 at 8:51 am BiS – pretty difficult to see how Farage and co could’ve done things significantly differently. The British people gave a purportedly pro-Brexit government an 80 seat landslide majority. In any planet not ruled by clowns, that would be the end of the debate. It’s not the fault of the Brexiters (or the Trumpers, Bolsonaroists etc…) that our enemies – our governments – decided to cancel democracy rather than allow the electorate to win. Steve July 7, 2023 at 8:59 am BiS – the cardinal sin of Leave was projecting their own sense of probity and fair play onto what we thought were our opponents. And an assumption that we could get political markets to rationally respond to incentives (votes). It should be in the personal interest of MPs to broadly support the majority opinion, and do things for the benefit of the public at large. But it isn’t, they don’t answer to us and our elections are a sham. Nobody knew this in 2016. bloke in spain July 7, 2023 at 9:13 am BiS – pretty difficult to see how Farage and co could’ve done things significantly differently. I’d have had something nasty & compromising on that Poison Dwarf of A Speaker for a start. Fabricated if necessary. Eminently get attable through the resident slag. I’d have had him sitting up & begging & eating out of my hand. Same would have applied to the rest of them. As it was, it was like watching the Boy Scouts going up against the Waffen SS. Look at this Partygate affair & the way they’ve gone through it with eyes wide shut. Reese Mogg looks like he’s contrived to lose his own seat, if he’s not careful. Did no one consider blackmailing the Civil Service? bloke in spain July 7, 2023 at 9:15 am Nobody knew this in 2016. For a certain class of nobody. Bloke in Wales July 7, 2023 at 9:22 am Before the Referendum I asked a Leave campaigner & confidant of Farage what the plans were, should the result go their way. You’re making the mistake of confusing a single-issue referendum for a general election. Those running the winning campaign of the former were (for the most part) not in any position to act on the result and deliver the expressed will of the people. They had to rely on the elected politicians to live up to their side of the bargain. Obviously we’ve now learned that part was a stupid mistake. I’d have had something nasty & compromising on that Poison Dwarf of A Speaker for a start. Fabricated if necessary. … Did no one consider blackmailing the Civil Service? We’ve since learned how necessary it is going to be to dismantle the entire Establishment. Preferably peacefully, but that will be their choice. Steve July 7, 2023 at 9:32 am BiS – I’d have had something nasty & compromising on that Poison Dwarf of A Speaker for a start. Fabricated if necessary. Eminently get attable through the resident slag. I’d have had him sitting up & begging & eating out of my hand. Same would have applied to the rest of them. As it was, it was like watching the Boy Scouts going up against the Waffen SS. Not sure if you mean the midget cuckold or the one who replaced him, but let’s wargame this. OK, you are Boris Johnson. It is January 6th, 2020, and you’re sitting in your office in Downing Street, sipping a skinny soy latte Carrie insisted you drink. You give an instruction to “get” the Speaker of the House of Commons. Who is going to obey you? How long do you think it’ll take for your orders to be relayed to the press and the police, and for you to be removed from office? bloke in spain July 7, 2023 at 9:33 am They had to rely on the elected politicians to live up to their side of the bargain. Then you want the elected politicians in your pocket, don’t you? As it was, they were mostly in the pockets of the Remainers. How’d you think that happened? bloke in spain July 7, 2023 at 9:37 am Boris Johnson? Boris Johnson’s been playing his own very Boris Johnson game. We will not be seeing him sitting on a sheet of cardboard begging for small change. Steve July 7, 2023 at 9:44 am BiS – It is axiomatic, outside trannydom, that you can only piss with the cock you have. We had BoJo, Farage, JRM and co. Not exactly Edward I or Oliver Cromwell, any of them. We tried the nice, peaceful, legal route to save England. I don’t think that’s a fault of the English, although I am pessimistic about the future of this country. bloke in spain July 7, 2023 at 9:54 am Anyway, sorry Steve. Can’t discuss this any longer. Have to get going. I have Spanish to corrupt. Steve July 7, 2023 at 10:05 am BiS – que tenga un buen dia, my dear Bloke. Bill July 7, 2023 at 10:24 am @BiS, I have yet to be convinced that there was any plan beyond expecting to be exempt from the rules of the EU while retaining untrammelled access to the Single Market. I have been back in the U.K. (London) for almost four years now and still astounded by the lack of imagination shown by the referendum winners. Steve July 7, 2023 at 10:36 am Bill – you may have noticed that when the last British prime minister tried to do something Brexity, i.e. different from the EU and the last 25 years of uninterrupted Blairism…. She was immediately couped by the Bank of England working in concert with Little Rishi and pals, and the British media reported it as a funny story. Can you tell what it is yet? As Rolf used to ask. Ottokring July 7, 2023 at 10:40 am Yeah but Bill All I wanted was to be able to buy any sort of lightbulb I wanted or a 5kw kettle or a vacuum cleaner with two buttons. I wanted the right to have a blue passport and to make MPs actually have to do some work and buy cheap New Zealand lamb and butter. But now I have become radicalised. I believe that the EU must be destroyed with fire and cruise missiles and that our politicians should be strung up, in Wembley Stadium so that the lions can play with them. Steve July 7, 2023 at 10:45 am Remember – Sue Grey, a fat ugly cow who should be sitting like a gargoyle on a reception desk somewhere, was able to bring down the most electorally successful prime minister since Tony Blair. And she’s been rewarded for it. While you, dear reader, are in serious danger of having your bank account taken away from you if you get too vocal about politics. This is the game now. Boganboy July 7, 2023 at 10:47 am I sympathise Otto. I can’t buy the sort of light bulb I want here in Oz either. Stringing the pollies up so the lions can play with them sounds nicer and nicer. Addolff July 7, 2023 at 10:51 am Brexit is an example of where the powers that be have been told by the proles to do something the powers that be do not want to do, so are wilfully going out of their way to fuck it up. Establishment remoaners complaining about Brexit being a failure* is rather like the Luddites chucking their shoes into the machines then telling the bosses: “see, we told you these machines were rubbish”. * Personally I don’t think it is and it will take time for things to settle down. For now though, rather than having the clowns in Brussells making everyones lives a misery, we have our own clowns in Westminster making our lives a misery. Ottokring July 7, 2023 at 11:49 am Addolff You’re thinking of saboteurs. Luddites used to stuck their luds into the machines. Bill July 7, 2023 at 12:21 pm We should have a choice when it comes to lightbulbs and vacuum cleaners but I am missing the choices that my printed in the UK burgundy passport came with too. The shiny new blue passport, bizarrely printed in France, doesn’t offer the same opportunities and I have not yet seen any new opportunities offered at home (insert rant about IR35, new CT rate and dividend taxes!). To be fair my last overseas stint was in Tokyo, so unaffected by Brexit but I do fancy a spell in the Netherlands to see how it compares to The Hague of twenty years ago. Sam Duncan July 7, 2023 at 1:14 pm Steve: “the cardinal sin of Leave was projecting their own sense of probity and fair play onto what we thought were our opponents.” Same as the Jockland ”No” campaign in 2014. And we’re now seeing the character of our opponents in that contest exposed. To the police. BiS: “Those running the winning campaign of the former were (for the most part) not in any position to act on the result and deliver the expressed will of the people. They had to rely on the elected politicians to live up to their side of the bargain. Obviously we’ve now learned that part was a stupid mistake.” How did Cameron put it? “The government will abide by your answer”? Just as Steve said, our mistake was to believe him. Bill: “I have yet to be convinced that there was any plan beyond expecting to be exempt from the rules of the EU while retaining untrammelled access to the Single Market.” Nope. Trammelling, provided it complies with WTO rules, is quite acceptable. We voted to leave the European Union, not the European Councils, Commission, and “Parliament”. The Union. All of it. The “Single Market” is a stalking horse for the European state, just as Monnet intended. If we don’t disentangle ourselves from that, we’re wasting our time. And the Remainers know it. Charles July 7, 2023 at 5:26 pm @bloke in spain – “I was given a crafty smile & told to wait & see” So, presumably, you refused to vote Leave on the grounds that you wouldn’t know what you were voting for. @Ottokring You can buy any sort of lightbulb you want (I presume you’re referring to incandescent ones) on Amazon. You won;t get a 5kW kettle, as that would draw 20A which would overload the 13A sockets in the UK. I see no reason why you shouldn’t be able to get a vacuum cleaner with two buttons if you look around. If you want a blue passport, move to Australia – the UK one is now black. If you want MPs to have to do work, I suggest you fall asleep as that will only happen in your dreams. And Australia is probably quite good for teh cheap New Zealand produce too. @Sam Duncan – “How did Cameron put it? “The government will abide by your answer”? Just as Steve said, our mistake was to believe him.” No mistake. He spoke the truth. The vote was to leave and we have left. If you didn’t get what you thought you were going to get, then I refer you to the words of one of the great philosophers of our age: “Brexit means Brexit”. We may laugh at the idea of people the early 1700’s being so foolish as to invest in “a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is”, yet it seems there are many people today who voted for “a Brexit, but nobody to know what it is”. bloke in spain July 7, 2023 at 6:15 pm So, presumably, you refused to vote Leave on the grounds that you wouldn’t know what you were voting for. No Charles. As I was living here, although at that time I was entitled to vote, unlike the cunt Brit Remainers infest this locality I believed it would have been wrong of me to do so. Not my country & will never be my country again. As for what could have voted, since I was the geezer who signed the Referendum Party’s candidates paper in my constituency in the ’98 election, I’ll leave that to your imagination. I was an active Leaver long before Farage & UKIP. Why I’ve left. On the light bulb issue, if I want a filamented bulb I drop in the Chino round the corner & choose from several wattages, fittins & colours. You Brits have done it to yourselves. You want to obey your stupid laws it’s up to you. Finally, I wouldn’t trust a self declared honourable man as far as I could chuck him. And considering they’re usually sleek well-fed cunts, that’s not going to be very far is it? I infinitely prefer the trustworthiness of the good class of criminal (ie not ni**er street shit) At least their word’s good for something. john77 July 7, 2023 at 8:29 pm @ bis For avoidance of doubt I have never declared myself to be an “honourable man”: I know myself too well for that although Tim is not the first person to be taken in by outward appearances. No-one has *ever* described me as “sleek” – as far as I am concerned “well-fed” is defined by quality not quantity, the occasional surloin steak rather than the frequent “Big Mac”. Lord Blackadder July 7, 2023 at 9:00 pm A very good definition of not an honourable man: – “Well, why not rip off idiots? A successful grift is a lovely thing, no? Tim Worstall In a post on this blog: https://www.timworstall.com/2023/06/well-why-not-rip-off-idiots/ . Yes, was pretty sure I’d sired a couple of offspring in the West Country. Jim July 7, 2023 at 9:40 pm “How did Cameron put it? “The government will abide by your answer”? Just as Steve said, our mistake was to believe him.” If I ever get to meet Cameron (fortunately highly unlikely given our relative positions in life) I would have to fight very hard to resist the temptation to punch him hard on the nose for his behaviour during and immediately after the Brexit referendum. The cunto di tutti cunti. Boganboy July 8, 2023 at 12:18 am ‘So, presumably, you refused to vote Leave on the grounds that you wouldn’t know what you were voting for.’ Well Charles, quite often I vote on the basis of what I’m voting against. So if I was a Brit I’d probably have voted for the foreigners to fuck off. Still, I’ll be voting ‘no’ for the Voice. So sometimes you’ll get a ‘no’ vote out of me. CJA July 8, 2023 at 7:22 am Before I opened up these comments I wondered exactly how a certain know-it-all in Spain would lever in his usual “British people – mugs!” schtick. Didn’t expect it to be about Brexit, but otherwise not disappointed. 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