Even rightwingers know we need migrants
This is only the start of the age of migration — parties from all sides must strive for new ideas or risk French-style chaos
That’s Billy Hague. Wasn’t he a Tory at one point?
Even rightwingers know we need migrants
This is only the start of the age of migration — parties from all sides must strive for new ideas or risk French-style chaos
That’s Billy Hague. Wasn’t he a Tory at one point?
Obviously this was said after he drank 17 pints.
When?
Weren’t the tories tories at some point?
If you want to continue hanging around with financiers and getting your living from financiers, it is best to mouth the same ideology as financiers.
As always – follow the money.
I’ll settle for the French-style chaos, thanks. The late-18th Century type of chaos that completely changes the regime and has gutters ankle-deep in blood.
This is only the start of the age of migration
So important that we defeat Russia, chaps.
A comment from one of the enrichers now residing in France: “you colonised us for 132 years. We are now colonising you. Forever”.
If you want to play history, Addolff, they are the descendants of the people who colonised Iberia & pushed their conquests up to the gates of Toulouse. Of people who raided & enslaved along the entire northern coast of the Mediterranean & as far as the British Isles. What you sow you reap.
William Hague claims to be a conservative.
He also claims to be heterosexual.
One could point out Addolff, that the Frogs only colonised Algeria to stop the pro-immigrant powers- that-were from kidnapping and enslaving all those poor white Christians.
Thus anti-colonialism is the European norm.
Boganboy – do we feel like arguing is going to help us?
“Migrants”: they are all obviously interchangeable pawns, irrespective of their age, sex, race, culture and individual characteristics.
You’d like to hire a live-in nanny for a few years until your youngest is old enough for school? A trustworthy Filipina would do. Tough: but the government will admit an Albanian gangster to do the job.
You’d like an extra GP at the local practice? No go, but the government will admit a talentless twenty-year old from the Maghreb who claims to be fifteen and whose long term ambition is to kill Kaffirs.
Bone-headed stupidity with a dash of malice: that’s HMG for you.
Dearieme – I started to suspect something was amiss when the British identified government made sure we have (multiple) asylum seeker hotels filled with young thugs in every town and city across the land, at the same time they were threatening to exclude me from society for not wearing a mask or getting a mystery injection.
Labour and the Tories are like flies on a corpse. We need to get rid of the flies and clean up the mess, everything else is a waste of time.
So important that we defeat Russia, chaps.
You’re becoming a comic character, Steve, appearing in multiple scenarios to say your famous line.
– “Dear God! A cylinder’s landed on the house, and we are beneath it, in the pit!”
– So important that we defeat Russia, chaps.
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– Ah, Houston, we’ve had a problem.
– So important that we defeat Russia, chaps.
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It’s actually possible to face simultaneous unrelated issues.
One million immigrants per year plus the Town and Country Planning Act. What could possibly go wrong?
“This is only the start of the age of migration — parties from all sides must strive for new ideas or risk French-style chaos.”
Thanks for the warning, William. I suggest that in order to avoid French-style chaos we adopt the ideas of pissed-off European peoples and kick you lying, scheming, treasonous cocksuckers into touch. Then we can stop the invaders and remove the troublesome ones already here.
ps, fuck off and die.
PJF – You’re becoming a comic character, Steve, appearing in multiple scenarios to say your famous line.
More projection than Cinéma Paradiso, mate.
It’s actually possible to face simultaneous unrelated issues.
At some point of you repeatedly being smacked in the face by rakes a la Sideshow Bob, you’re hopefully going to wise up to the fact that the joke is on you.
No, there are no unrelated issues. It’s not an accident that every time NATO spreads freedom and democracy, we end up with millions of new foreign neighbours.
Invade the world / invite the world has been the policy since the 90’s.
One million immigrants per year plus the Town and Country Planning Act. What could possibly go wrong?
Try this then:
One million immigrants per year plus abolish the Town and Country Planning Act. What could possibly go wrong?
Answer – the fuckers will be everywhere.
Saw the full on burka yesterday; just a tiny slit for the eyes of the pregnant hephalump.
In Borrowash.
Fuck this shit.
– More projection than Cinéma Paradiso, mate.
I can remember in infants school that some kids actually thought it was cool to come back with,
“No, you’re the poo-poo head.”
[note – it was thee not me who dragged Ukraine into this (again)]
PJF @ 1.19, part of the problem is that so many of our ‘countrymen and women’ have little to no experience of these bastards yet still feel qualified to shout at those of us who have had to live with it in places such as London from the 1960’s (in my case – the 1950’s in my brothers’).
Alf Garnett was supposed to be parody, but the joke is really that everything he railed against has pretty much come to pass.
I suspect Pimple Hague will turn out to be pissing into the wind. The native people all over Europe are beginning to vote for ‘far-right fringe parties’ to put an end to this mess. Our masters know we don’t like it, so who ARE they working for?
“Invade the world / invite the world has been the policy since the 90’s.”
You’re delusional, Steve. There’s little doubt western military adventures in certain countries were an error. But there’s no evidence that the people authored them with the intent of increasing immigration. More like the opposite. “Democracy building” was intended to creates states whose peoples would prefer to remain in.
It’s like your criticism of NATO policies re Russia. By your logic, NATO should have had similar policies regarding non-NATO but militarily capable Sweden. Concerns about it annexing Norway, Finland or Denmark?
BiS – But there’s no evidence that the people authored them with the intent of increasing immigration
And they wonder why I smoke dope.
Listen, Colonel Gaddafi warned us, repeatedly, in very blunt language, what would happen if anything happened to him.
We murdered him anyway, and turned Libya into what you see (or perhaps do not see?) now. Everything he warned us about is happening, and the authorities are doing less than nothing to stop it. Instead they’re facilitating it, including the Royal Navy picking up ferals to bring to Britain.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and now Ukraine directly led to some of the biggest population movements since the Bronze Age, and now a man who has every reason to know the British government’s thinking is promising you they’ve only just begun.
No, it was never about “democracy”, ffs. Did you believe in the WMD too? Still waiting on the bonfire of the quangos, perhaps?
1) Wake up
2) Grab a brush and put a little makeup
Addolff @ 1:31
. . . part of the problem is that so many of our ‘countrymen and women’ have little to no experience of these bastards yet still feel qualified to shout at those of us who have had to live with it in places such as London from the 1960’s (in my case – the 1950’s in my brothers’).
I hear ya, but it’s not the wider country that is complacent about or tolerant of immigration (Jesus, as a forces brat in Norfolk, I was the foreigner). It’s the liberal establishment, mostly in London, that enabled this shit. They know full well the impact on people like you and your brother – and they enjoy it. Loads of Londoners have escaped into the country, and they generally aren’t reserved as to why. People know. As in France, the madness is in the cities – and the response will come from the wider country.
What do Hague, Merkel, May and Macron have in common?
Steve: And they wonder why I smoke dope
Not me. I think you need something stronger and more of it.
Vladimir Putin
Is allergic to gluten?
Then give him a box
Of Novichocs.
Invade the world / invite the world has been the policy since the 90’s.
Mass immigration was a policy long preceding the 1990s. The ones bringing the immigrants in were the same ones shouting about not bombing da muusleems. The current bizarro-right’s views on foreign interventions is revisionism of their own history on the matter (Peter Hitchens aside, who’s probably always been a silly cunt).
– And they wonder why I smoke dope.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/know-your-mind/201407/cannabis-really-can-cause-paranoia
Maybe try something else.
TMB – ok
PJF – They know full well the impact on people like you and your brother – and they enjoy it.
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Do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.
PJF – The ones bringing the immigrants in were the same ones shouting about not bombing da muusleems
It must astonish you to see Punch AND Judy moving at the same time.
Do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.
No, that’s paranoia. Their primary motivations are economic (maintaining growth during native demographic decline) and ideological (assuaging their middle class guilt for us being successful). They certainly do enjoy their sense of moral superiority tut-tutting at “racist” working class angst over the impositions, but that’s secondary.
In the end they’ll go quiet because they’ll fear the invaders more than they do “us”. Stabistan is only a short stolen scooter ride from BBC towers and Basementconversionsville. Gary Lineker’s throat cuts as easily as mine, and he might have a fancy watch.
PJF – I think you are badly underestimating how much free flowing hatred there is out there. Progressivism has always attracted and nurtured antisocial personalities, and it’s gotten worse over time.
I’m talking about people who thought a picture of Nigel Farage, covered in blood from a plane crash that nearly cost him his life was fucking hilarious.
And that was *before* Brexit, Trump, BLM and Covid broke their brains.
We are living in a country where the government and media is still covering for paedophile grooming gangs, where the NHS and schools are still encouraging 7 year olds to get sex changes, and where your ability to afford holidays, cars and central heating is being deliberately taken away from you. We didn’t vote for any of this, yet it’s happening.
So I don’t think you’re paranoid enough.
But I don’t recommend cannibis if you’re trying to increase your paranoia. It just gives me a peaceful, easy feeling and the comfort of no longer pummeling my liver with painkillers.
Sleeping pills, otoh, will have you ready to climb the nearest clock tower. Don’t take those.
You still didn’t answer (evaded) the question, did you Steve? Why didn’t NATO regard Sweden – a non-NATO, fully militarised nation as a threat? Or Sweden NATO for that matter? Maybe because Sweden’s entire defensive posture points east? Why’s that?
BiS – the only people the Swedish government are a threat to are native Swedes, who will most likely be gone by the end of this century.
If you’re asking why NATO (i.e. the US government) is not an enemy of Sweden, it’s because Sweden was never in any danger of disobeying Creepy Uncle Sam.
Because they’re little bitches.
Between drinking 17 pints a day and all of that completely normal and heterosexual sex with Ffffififion, how on earth does Billy Hague have time to write? The fact that it’s mindless gutrot is neither here nor there.
As for “importing the diversity”, doesn’t this go back to Blair/Brown and “rubbing their noses in the diversity?” so circa 1998 or so?
@dearieme – “You’d like to hire a live-in nanny for a few years until your youngest is old enough for school? A trustworthy Filipina would do. Tough: but the government will admit an Albanian gangster to do the job.” and “You’d like an extra GP at the local practice? No go, but the government will admit a talentless twenty-year old from the Maghreb who claims to be fifteen and whose long term ambition is to kill Kaffirs.”
That’s what central planning does. Apply the free market by letting anyone in and you can employ whoever you like.
For some inexplicable reason, many people who think that the government cannot be trusted for most things suddenly seem to think that in the area of immigration the government is the ideal body to set rules and pick winners.
Errrmmm.. Charles… Aren’t you confusing two things?
Immigration, and the control of who gets in or not, is specifically one of the mandates a government should have. Because it’s part of that whole Protection of National Security concept.
Which also means you ideally leave that to the boys ( and girls..) with the pewpew sticks, who have a sworn duty to actually protect that nation..
You could let Free Market reign in this respect, but that’d mean the filtering as to who’s “suited” will be done in a rather haphazard way inside the current population, which may well upset the weak of stomach and sensitive of nerve.
Which is a situation most people here ( my estimate ) would very much avoid, as it tends to interfere with beer o’clock, and the bloodstains are so damn hard to get out of the pavement.
So a centralised solution to the problem is preferred. Option B is always open..
Of course, that assumes a measure of competence from Government itself, and actual adherence to campaign promises, but that’s another matter.
Here in the States, some of the less recent immigrants are beginning to comprende that open borders are not the greatest idea. Maybe purple haired harpies with nose rings don’t have their best interests at heart. Folks are starting to pull away from the Uniparty.
“As for “importing the diversity”, doesn’t this go back to Blair/Brown and “rubbing their noses in the diversity?” so circa 1998 or so?”
Earlier.
Steve, wMD’s existent or not, is your hangup not mine. As far as I’m concerned, the Iraqi military just turning on its radars whilst Coalition aircraft were flying along their frontier was sufficient provocation. I want the Muslim horde so frightened of Whitey the last thing they’d want to do is come to his country & live alongside him. I want them cowering in terror back where they came from. I think like they do.
BiS – As far as I’m concerned, the Iraqi military just turning on its radars whilst Coalition aircraft were flying along their frontier was sufficient provocation.
Iraq and Afghanistan never threatened us, and we – and they – are so much the poorer in every sense after two wasted decades fighting in the sandbox for nothing.
I want the Muslim horde so frightened of Whitey the last thing they’d want to do is come to his country & live alongside him. I want them cowering in terror back
Invite the World is a non-optional component of Invade the World.
Muslim immigration went through the roof under George W Bush and Tony Blair. There’s many, many, many millions more recently arrived Muslims in the United States and England now than there were at the start of the “War on Terror”.
It’s not difficult to find mosques near the Cracker Barrels and Wendy’s of suburban and small town USA now, something you would never have seen in the early 00’s.
Nor is this an accident, despite his public reputation Dubya was a huge supporter of immigration in general and repeatedly tried to get an amnesty passed into law to encourage more migrants.
So the hordes are not frightened in the slightest, they are in fact getting bigger every day as more arrive, and you may have noticed that France is rapidly fading away like that picture of Marty McFly’s family.
While our country is being invaded and turned into something we neither recognise or want, we are spaffing billions of pounds on defending Ukraine’s borders.
People on the political right like to imagine that the uniformed civil servants are more patriotic, somehow. But the British armed forces have already repeatedly told you what they think of you, white man. They’re not there to defend *you*. They don’t have your back.
“The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace.”
President George W. Bush’s Message for Ramadan
November 15, 2001
Thought this may be of interest in helping to understand what NATO “is” and is “for”:
Many observers expected NATO to close shop after the collapse of its Cold War rival. But in the decade after 1989, the organization truly came into its own. NATO acted as a ratings agency for the European Union in Eastern Europe, declaring countries secure for development and investment. The organization pushed would-be partners to adhere to a liberal, pro-market creed, according to which — as President Bill Clinton’s national security adviser put it — “the pursuit of democratic institutions, the expansion of free markets” and “the promotion of collective security” marched in lock step. European military professionals and reform-minded elites formed a willing constituency, their campaigns boosted by NATO’s information apparatus.
When European populations proved too stubborn, or undesirably swayed by socialist or nationalist sentiments, Atlantic integration proceeded all the same. The Czech Republic was a telling case. Faced with a likely “no” vote in a referendum on joining the alliance in 1997, the secretary general and top NATO officials saw to it that the government in Prague simply dispense with the exercise; the country joined two years later. The new century brought more of the same, with an appropriate shift in emphasis. Coinciding with the global war on terrorism, the “big bang” expansion of 2004 — in which seven countries acceded — saw counterterrorism supersede democracy and human rights in alliance rhetoric. Stress on the need for liberalization and public sector reforms remained a constant.
In the realm of defense, the alliance was not as advertised. For decades, the United States has been the chief provider of weapons, logistics, air bases and battle plans. The war in Ukraine, for all the talk of Europe stepping up, has left that asymmetry essentially untouched. Tellingly, the scale of U.S. military aid — $47 billion over the first year of the conflict — is more than double that offered by European Union countries combined. European spending pledges may also turn out to be less impressive than they appear. More than a year after the German government publicized the creation of a special $110 billion fund for its armed forces, the bulk of the credits remain unused. In the meantime, German military commanders have said that they lack sufficient munitions for more than two days of high-intensity combat.
Whatever the levels of expenditure, it is remarkable how little military capability Europeans get for the outlays involved. Lack of coordination, as much as penny-pinching, hamstrings Europe’s ability to ensure its own security. By forbidding duplication of existing capabilities and prodding allies to accept niche roles, NATO has stymied the emergence of any semiautonomous European force capable of independent action. As for defense procurement, common standards for interoperability, coupled with the sheer size of the U.S. military-industrial sector and bureaucratic impediments in Brussels, favor American firms at the expense of their European competitors. The alliance, paradoxically, appears to have weakened allies’ ability to defend themselves.
Yet the paradox is only superficial. In fact, NATO is working exactly as it was designed by postwar U.S. planners, drawing Europe into a dependency on American power that reduces its room for maneuver. Far from a costly charity program, NATO secures American influence in Europe on the cheap.
–The paranoid stoners at THE NEW YORK TIMES, 11 JULY 2023
After the USA won the Cold War its foreign policy inevitably shifted from competition with the USSR, to ensuring that no power capable of challenging American hegemony could ever arise on this planet. Hence the endless parade of American sanctions, bombing and wars since the 90’s.
What else do you do when you win the geostrategic lottery? You try to keep your winnings. Britain and the USSR managed a mostly peaceful demotion from great power status, but this is historically unusual and it’s more common for dying empires to find themselves bogged down in an increasingly unsustainable bouquet of expensive conflicts while their late-stage degenerate and/or foreign “elites” loot the imperial treasury.
That’s a lot of words to say “Nobody will fuck me” Steve.
JG – yes, apologies for my verbosity.
I do sometimes hope it’s still possible for us discuss serious things on the internet in a semi-grown-up way like it was the good old days of the early WWW (obvs including spicy bants and insults), but you are right, I’m wasting my time here.
“Did you believe in the WMD too?”
Only as much as the Iraqi government itself does. It signed the Convention on Chemical and Biological Weapons in 2009, declaring its stocks of WMDs. And that’s only what was left after Saddam squirreled the rest away to his mate Bashar. Those Kurds didn’t gas themselves, you know.
Did I believe they could be deployed in 40 minutes against the UK? Ah, but that’s a different question.
Sam, hooray, at last someone who agrees with me. We know Saddam had them because:
a) Halabja.
b).”The Senate report also makes clear that: ‘The United States provided the government of Iraq with ‘dual use’ licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programmes.’
c) “Classified US Defence Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas”.
They may not have been ‘deployable in 40 minutes’, but as you say, that’s a different question.
Steve @ 11.13, in any argument between two opposing opinions there will be onlookers who don’t know or aren’t sure one way or another. You may never convince the other side that you’re right but you may convince said onlookers to do some research for themselves.
“Steve @ 11.13, in any argument between two opposing opinions there will be onlookers who don’t know or aren’t sure one way or another. You may never convince the other side that you’re right but you may convince said onlookers to do some research for themselves.”
+1
I would assume many if not most around here will have a view, to some extent one way or the other, but may be content not to enter the fray.
Invite the World is a non-optional component of Invade the World.
Not where I come from it isn’t.
And I see little purpose in invading them. Most sensible comment I saw immediately after 9/11 was on a US site “Nuke everything east of the Med to volcanic glass. We can always drill for oil when it’s cooled”
@Grikath – immigration is “part of that whole Protection of National Security concept”
National Security is a great excuse for all kinds of barriers. I’m sure North Korea can give a good account of why it requires them to have such closed borders. Over here, it’s a great excuse for subsidising inefficient industry – sometimes until even subsidy is not enough. Everything you say about immigration works just as well as an argument for tariffs and border obstacles for goods and services, and has the same effect of making us poorer.
“that assumes a measure of competence from Government itself”
If we could assume that, communism would work.
Everything you say about immigration works just as well as an argument for tariffs and border obstacles for goods and services, and has the same effect of making us poorer.
Having fuck loads of foreign made goods land in the country is fundamentally different to having fuck loads of foreigners land in the country. Even our host, who will stretch a technical economic argument to breaking point, gets that important distinction.
Some just don’t see our nation state as any different to a parish council, and that it doesn’t matter if there are mass movements of peoples coming in; peoples with completely different and opposing ideas about how our society should be. These free movement types are usually ideologues to the level of mentalism. There is usually no reasoning with them.
But heads on pikes is a universal concept.
‘Most sensible comment I saw immediately after 9/11 was on a US site “Nuke everything east of the Med to volcanic glass. We can always drill for oil when it’s cooled”’
Tut, tut BiS. I thought everyone else was too civilised to think like me.