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Labour council using diesel generators to charge electric bin lorries

A gen set being hugely more polluting than even a coal fired station….

21 thoughts on “Great, innit?”

  1. I think it was the early 90s when politicians started explicitly talking about “joined up government”. 30 years later I still see no sign of it.

  2. Even better:

    “Dozens of giant turbines on Scotland’s windfarms have been powered by diesel generators, the Sunday Mail can reveal. Scottish Power admitted 71 of its windmills were hooked up to the fossil fuel supply after a fault developed on the grid.

    The firm said it was forced to act in order to keep the turbines warm during very cold weather in December …”

    It’s the reason given (“very cold weather”) which I find best about that story. Global warming, eh? Whatever did happen to that?

  3. The Meissen Bison

    AtC – it’s getting less joined up in proportion to the ever-expanding remit that government accrues to itself.

  4. There’ve been plenty of stories (and pictures) of EV charging stations hooked up to diesel gensets. Usually when the local grid can’t handle the load…

  5. @Paul Somerset,

    That’s right. Windmills need power 24/7 pretty well. The nacelles need to controlled for temperature and humidity, the high pressure oil system needs to be kept going, blades need heating to prevent ice build up (as in this case) etc.

    I’m not sure if anybody has ever been able to find out how much power a blight of, say, a hundred or so of these things needs continually.

    All that is ever quoted seems to be installed capacity, what could be produced at the optimum design wind speed, never how much of that the windmill itself needs.

    Not quite sure why they admitted an instance of what occurs all the time, and if they didn’t use diesel gensets, how else would they have done it?

  6. Bloke in North Dorset

    Slightly OT

    It’s looking like another ship fire caused by an EV battery spontaneously combusting added to that the bus garage fires and it won’t be long before the insurance for transporting and storing these things will make them even more uneconomic.

  7. @Mark, well they could keep the blades ice-free by ensuring that each had a little nuclear isotope-powered heater installed.

  8. @BiND

    They’re already talking about increasing spacing in car parks for BEVs, both because of fire risk and also weight. If they have to do the same on marine car transporters …

  9. Wasn’t there a Norwegian ferry company started refusing to carry EVs because risk of unmanageable fire on board?

  10. Bloke near Worcester

    @Line Noise. Amusing that it should be a Norwegian ferry company, given that Norway is pretty much ‘Tesla Central’ (Model Y was over 20% of all car sales in Norway in June). It will soon not be a problem to secure a booking on those ferries – assuming you have an ICE car

  11. @Chris, not a bad idea, as some of the car parks are decidedly tight fits for quite ordinary cars. What about vehicle ferries as well? Then there’s the problem of car transporters. One turned over on the M3 not that long ago because of a burst tyre and a too-heavy load of EVs on top.

  12. What’s actually causing EVs to spontaneously combust on a cargo ship or a ferry? Yes there’s lots of lithium; but then there’s lots of petrol / diesel / LPG in a normal car too.

  13. What’s actually causing EVs to spontaneously combust on a cargo ship or a ferry
    It’s been said that it comes from fast-charging them before embarkation. That tends to be when a fault will develop. So the fault’s already established before the car rolls onto the boat.

  14. “there’s lots of lithium”: there’s lots of sodium in table salt.

    The problem, I read, is that (i) the electrolyte is highly combustible, and (ii) there’s plenty of oxidant inside the battery: air isn’t required.

  15. Don’t believe the movies, petrol and deisel doesn’t spontaneously combust. That’s why there’s all that complicated technology in an internal combustion engine to force the stuff to combust. On its own it just sits there.

  16. ” not a bad idea, as some of the car parks are decidedly tight fits for quite ordinary cars.”

    Except as you get half the cars it’ll cost twice as much to park……..

  17. I assume car park spaces are marked out to some government standard set out in the immediate post-war period, and never revised – when a family car was an Austin 7 or Minor 1000. A modern Mini is about as wide as a Humber Super Snipe.

    I took the missus into town for her birthday last Friday (Dennis Severs’ House – highly recommended for something a bit ‘different’) and we parked at the station just after noon, when the daily rate drops. It was no more than a third full.

  18. The chap who does my agricultural contracting also has a machinery hire business, and supplies telehandlers into the Glastonbury festival. I was talking to one of his employees who had been into the festival site to deliver and collect these machines. He said the power generation set up has to be seen to be believed. A field of massive diesel gensets all humming away. They use so much diesel that it has to be tankered in. But thats all done at night so no-one sees them coming in. The whole thing, beloved of the eco-bollox crowd is swimming in a sea of fossil fuel. The hypocrisy is nauseating.

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