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This is lucky

We have to travel less. Air travel for holidays must become exceptional.

Air travel to be an international man of action in political economy will, of course, still be allowed.

40 thoughts on “This is lucky”

  1. Bloke in the Fourth Reich

    The selfless activists who glue themselves to airport taxiways get around this by traveling in their private capacity, rather than in their activist capacity.

    One such Hero of the Soviet Union excused himself from a date in court, in his capacity as the accused, to go on holiday to Bali, in his private capacity.

    The judge agreed wholeheartedly that it is most essential that the Reich’s staunchest and most patriotic supporters and voluntary enforcers of government policy be allowed to take their much-needed RnR.

  2. We must change our diets. Eating meat must at the very least become occasional, not the norm.

    I often accuse him of wanting things that are realized in reality (or are close to being realized) only in one country on Earth – North Korea. That’s doing the North Koreans a disservice – I don’t think they’re surveilling what people have at the dinner table.

    1) What if much of the Mediterranean becomes uninhabitable? Where do its people go?

    I understand a certain ‘academic’ in the Fens has three spare bedrooms. Maybe they could start there?

    2) How can we manage food supply in a country utterly dependent on imports when many of the areas that supply us cannot produce any more?

    I don’t know but perhaps inviting 20 million plus people to settle in 30 years might exacerbate, rather than solve the issue?

    3) How will we find the money for the investment that we need if there is an insistence on balancing the books?

    I thought you had already solved that alongside your other advocates of ‘MMT’ and other brands of snake oil.

    Hopefully the Canada solution to the problems of excess population is applied to much of academia (especially in the ‘New’ ‘Universities)

  3. What if much of the Mediterranean becomes uninhabitable?
    That’s always such bollocks.
    If the temp is a degree or two warmer on average it’ll make fuck all difference, and the temp increases such as they are tend to be in higher night time temps not day time maxima (despite all the record temp crap they keep spouting).
    But I don’t suppose Spud has bothered with even a brief bit of research; he’s just rehashing propaganda that he’s read.

  4. What if much of the Mediterranean becomes uninhabitable?

    It can be 12 in Winter here yet it is 43 on my patio at the moment – people aren’t fleeing the country, we seem to survive somehow.

  5. Bloke in the Fourth Reich

    Does anyone know where all this breathless talk about 48 degree temperatures across Europe is coming from ?

    I mean, yeah, it’s a nice summer, but this is just, to use a technical term, made up.

    I assume there is some actual data underlying the bullshit tho. Have they moved goalposts, changed techniques, are measuring something totally different, or Last Generation have been going around smashing every thermometer that isn’t on the tarmac at a major international airport?

  6. You can only heat up the entire planet by adding extra energy to it.
    The ecofrauds should explain whether the earth is spiralling in towards the sun or the sun is expanding into a red giant.

  7. Air travel to be an international man of action in political economy will, of course, still be allowed.

    “Comrades!” he cried. “You do not imagine, I hope, that we pigs are doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us actually dislike milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in taking these things is to preserve our health. Milk and apples (this has been proved by Science, comrades) contain substances absolutely necessary to the well-being of a pig. We pigs are brain-workers. The whole management and organisation of this farm depend on us. Day and night we are watching over your welfare. It is for your sake that we drink the milk and eat the apples.”

  8. How about 3 day junkets to South America by short, tie-less dictators, who think the poor should be deprived of the freedom to drive?

  9. VP

    You’re understating the over-consumption of the fat twat. He has not only 4 bedrooms, so 3 spare as you say, but 3 public rooms. I make that 5 excess rooms which he should in fairness offer to the needy homeless, rent-free as he despises rentiers so much.

    I also assume he will stop frivolous trips by steam train and campaign for the immediate termination of all such travel.

    Cvnt

  10. Martin Near The M25

    “Eating meat must at the very least become occasional, not the norm.”

    Except for me, he means.

  11. @philip: “You can only heat up the entire planet by adding extra energy to it.”

    Nope. You can also heat anything up by causing it to lose less energy. This is why we wear more clothes in winter.

    The Earth’s temperature is set by balancing the energy coming from the Sun (plus a small amount of geothermal energy) with the energy lost to deep space. If the Earth didn’t have an atmosphere the mean surface temperature would be around -18°C rather than the 15°C it actually is, which shows the greenhouse effect of the atmosphere is real.

    The composition of the atmosphere can have a drastic effect on planetary temperatures. Venus potentially gets twice the energy from the Sun compared to Earth because of its smaller orbit, but has an albedo of 0.7 compared to Earth’s 0.3, so actually only captures ~6/7ths of the energy from the Sun that the Earth does. If the atmospheric greenhouse effect didn’t reduce the loss of heat to space it would be colder than Earth. It’s actually about 450° warmer, and if it has rivers they’re probably made of molten lead.

  12. When I first lived away my diet was pretty much vegetarian, porridge/milk – bread/cheese – pasta/grated cheese then pudding/custard being the core dishes.
    No meat though.
    Used to love an invite to the parents for a sunday roast.

    I wonder if this pattern is reversed in Ely, with the students living away and thriving on bacon, kebab meat and burgers, and going to the parents occasionally for a nut roast.

  13. Pendantry about Arthur the Cat’s comment. The Earth would only settle at -18c with no atmosphere if it had the same albedo as with all the ice, water and clouds. Which would be different in the absence of an atmosphere. -18c is not the mean temp of the moon. The 33K difference in the Earth’s temperature caused by greenhouse gas is a convenient assertion by warmists, but it really is a bit of a stretch relying on ceteris paribus, which is never the case in climate.

  14. Physics defines three sorts of system. Isolated: this is a system in which no matter or energy is being exchanged with the surroundings. Closed: this is a system in which only energy is being exchanged with the surroundings. Open: this is a system in which both matter and energy is being exchanged with the surroundings.

    The Earth approximates a closed system. It can only warm up if the balance of energy addition/loss moves to greater energy input or reduced energy loss. After a while, a new warmer equilibrium will be reached.

    Within the Earth system I am an open system. When I put on extra clothes in winter, I am hoping to reach a (very local) warmer equilibrium by slowing my rate of energy loss. But I continue to be a component of the larger closed Earth system. It is unaffected by my additional clothing.

  15. It’s actually about 450° warmer, and if it has rivers they’re probably made of molten lead.

    …and the mountains capped with tellurium snow.

  16. https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/why-antarctica-will-soon-be-the-only-place-to-live-literally-58574.html

    Orchids then, orchids now.

    When you start measuring the temperature at the coldest point in the last 8 thousand years it shouldn’t come as a fucking surprise that the temperature is going up, but apparently it is, amongst our ‘climate grifters experts’. A surprise that is.

    How many would be Greta’s will be wailing at Gatwick when their flight to Spain / Greece/ Portugal / anywhere hotter than the UK’s usual soggy, windy summer, is cancelled due to the baggage handlers going on strike and they have to go home to suffer a week in Bognor Regis?

    Or, if they do manage to jet away (carbon emissions? WGAF….. I really need to go somewhere exotic or the other girls in the class will think we are poor), how many will come home and decide to do a degree course on ‘climate change is a universally bad thing and the plebs must stop using fossil fuels now’ and start throwing orange paint at the ‘Greek Food this week’ display in Lidl?

  17. “and the mountains capped with tellurium snow.“

    In the unlikely (not to say impossible) event that I ever record a prog album, that’s my title.

  18. Anytime anyone mentions Venus and greenhouse effect, the standard response is to say “Mars”. It has way more CO2 than Venus yet is freezing cold.

  19. @Bloke in the Fourth Reich – “Does anyone know where all this breathless talk about 48 degree temperatures across Europe is coming from ?”

    Maybe it’s a load of hot air??

  20. Does anyone know where all this breathless talk about 48 degree temperatures across Europe is coming from ?
    Same places it usually comes from I s’pose. There’s always places reach very high temperatures. I’ve been in Granada with the car outside temp gauge showing the mid 50s. Granada sits in a hollow in the mountains. In winter you freeze your balls off. It’s said to have two pleasant days in any one year. Or on the highway up Cordoba way for a 100 km of 45. If you want to go looking for record high (or low) temperatures in any year, you’re guaranteed to find them. Temperature here peaked at 35 today. About usual for this time of the year but I’m on the coast. The media’s plastered with extreme heat warnings though.

  21. I must admit I tire of the ceaseless piss taking of Professor Murphy.
    He’s an educated man. It’s rumoured he read a book in 1975. “Mars Attacks” has shaped his critical thinking which has got him where he is today.

  22. If the atmospheric greenhouse effect didn’t reduce the loss of heat to space it would be colder than Earth. It’s actually about 450° warmer . . .

    It’s a different planet with lots of unknown variables. There’s no case for saying Venus’s surface temperature is primarily due to greenhouse effect. There are no tectonic plates on Venus so the planet’s internal heat isn’t released consistently as on Earth but occasionally and suddenly in catastrophic global volcanic resurfacing events, one of which happened in the recent geologic past. It’s possible the surface temperature is 450C because that’s just how hot the crust is at present. It’s possible (likely) the thick, deep atmosphere came from these events and helps hold the heat in by insulation.

    It’s interesting that at a height where Venus’s atmospheric pressure is equivalent to Earth’s surface, the temperature is only about 10C warmer – despite the same high CO2 concentration, despite being above the reflective cloud layers so receiving way more solar radiation, despite the proximity to the hot surface. Just 10C.

  23. Does anyone know where all this breathless talk about 48 degree temperatures across Europe is coming from ?

    I’ve just watched the BBC 10 o clock news report on the erm… summer. Hysterical doesn’t even begin to describe it.

    Mind you, they’re onto AI now and the tone is much the same.

  24. Anytime anyone mentions Venus and greenhouse effect, the standard response is to say “Mars”. It has way more CO2 than Venus yet is freezing cold.

    No, Venus has a higher concentration of CO2 than Mars ( 96.5% vs 95% ) and vastly more atmosphere than Mars ( 4.8×10²⁰kg vs 2.5×10¹⁶kg ).

    Even that whisp of CO2 keeps Mars 5C warmer than it would otherwise be.

  25. There’s more CO2 pouring out of the new fissures on Iceland per day than the whole of the UK emits in one month.
    Perhaps if we sacrificed Spud into the volcano, the climate gods would be pacified and all would be well in the world.

  26. Ed P @ 10.11, but that’s ‘natural CO2’ and we all know that the CO2 we humans emit (4-5% of the total) is the nasty ‘man made CO2’, which although being exactly the same molecule and indistinguishable from ‘natural CO2, is evil, is destroying the planet and must be banned.

  27. Yes Ed P. Carbon Recycling International of Iceland make use of the CO2 in and the power obtained from geothermal steam to produce ‘renewable’ methanol. Mobil has developed the technology to turn the methanol to petrol.

    Perhaps Iceland should be developed as the new Saudi Arabia?

  28. @Adolff
    I advanced the theory that human activity does not produce CO² on a recent thread. It emits the far more dangerous O²C, which is entirely different & has a devastating effect on the climate. As we all know from putting our pants & trousers on, it’s the order that you do it makes the difference between man & Superman.

  29. bis, it wouldn’t matter what order I put my pants and trousers on, I still wouldn’t be able to fly…..

  30. Small scale Tim, off the top of a wardrobe type stuff, but full on Superman garb (women are strange at times aren’t they. Made a change from the ‘Doctor’ in white coat though…..)? Didn’t so much fly, as plummet (h/t Python M).

  31. Venus’ greenhouse effect is actually.. atypical.. and if the theories are correct, relatively new, geologically speaking.

    Thing is, it’s been thought to have been through what is described as a “resurfacing event” roughly 700 million years ago.
    Basically, a lot of the surface turned into giant lava fields for some reason, not unlike we have had the Siberian Traps and others of that kind of phenomenon here on Earth.
    No actual proof what may have caused it, but with what we know about the demise of the dinosaurs now, even bet is that Venus got hit by something it couldn’t handle.

    The interesting bit here is that Venus, according to current models, should be more Earth-like than it is now, even with the lack of a strong induced magnetic field and higher irradiation by the Sun.
    And possibly was ( yes, with liquid water, and the possibility of life..), until things went… epically catastrophic there.

    Whatever happened there would have boiled off any liquid water on the surface, and quite a bit below. And it never came down again in sufficient quantities to deal with the insane quantities of CO2 belched into the atmosphere by the decades/centuries(?) of volcanism following the event.
    Any potential life on Venus would have been gone, period. So there’s no biotic sequestering of CO2.
    But there’s plenty of abiotic processes that do so as well, and those should have reduced the CO2 content of the atmosphere over the millennia.

    Except.. this didn’t happen. Because most of those abiotic processes need liquid water at some stage, and there simply wasn’t any.
    Because all the volcanism made Venus’ atmosphere too hot to have it rain down onto the surface, leading to a critical buildup of CO2 ( and any other greenhouse gas you care to imagine ) in the atmosphere to a new equilibrium. Which is the Venus we see today.

    Whatever we do with CO2, Earth will never become like Venus until the Sun goes red giant. Or we get hit by a couple of Chicxulubs simultaneously, or a mini-Theia. Something big.
    Anything less? Life will survive, humans ( or our eventual successors ) most likely would. That intelligence/technology thing definitely helps.

  32. And where does Spud stand on outsides owning second homes and holiday homes in scenic areas? I’m going to take a wild stab in the dark and say he’s against. I bet he’s also against building more to meet the increased demand for such properties

  33. Thanks for the stuff on Venus Grikath. I’ve wondered what the latest guesses—-oops models are.

  34. @decine: “The Earth approximates a closed system.”

    That’s equivalent to saying that we could lose the Sun and the 44 petawatts we get from it and yet nothing on Earth would change for a long time. Which is insane.

    However, people would quickly stop worrying about global warming. A year or so later they’d not be worrying about anything.

  35. Grikath on Venus:

    “Thing is, it’s been thought to have been through what is described as a “resurfacing event” roughly 700 million years ago.”

    Pikeys, I expect.

  36. Most of Maxwell Montes has a bright radar return which is common on Venus at high altitudes. This phenomenon is thought to result from the presence of a mineral, possibly a metallic snow. Early suggestions included pyrite[2] and tellurium; more recently, lead sulfide and bismuth sulfide.[6]
    Damn that lead sulfide theory and the other one.
    Saying tellurium in a Rutger Hauer accent sounds so much better it must be the best theory shirley.

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