The UK is spending 40% a person more than any other European country on housing asylum seekers with the costs taking up nearly a third of the official aid budget, which forced a 16.4% cut in the amount of aid spent overseas in 2022.
The findings come in a report by One, the aid campaign, which argues the proportion of the aid budget being spent on housing refugees in the UK is totally out of sync with its neighbours and is making the British aid budget both unpredictable and unmanageable
We could house them in tents on the beach. Send ’em back. Sink the boats even.
Or, as is the demand here, pay those costs and then send even more money off to other countries as well.
Option 4 seems the least appealing to be honest.
It would be informative to know what portion of the official aid budget eventually ends up in the pockets of the people who smuggle “asylum seekers” around the world.
Disable their motors and tow them back into French waters would get my vote (and ignore/withdraw from the ECHR).
What puzzles me is that, given the scale of this thing, the supply chain of equipment -boats, outboards, fuel tanks- isn’t traceable and vulnerable to disruption. The best we seem to be able to muster is to hand over dosh to the French to do nothing and to send over groups of rozzers to patrol the dunes and sit in bars with their gendarme minders
Plenty of room for them in their own shithole countries.
TMB
That is a calumny on our French allies and friends !
They use our money to provide buses to take them to the beaches and their navy to escort them to the frontier.
This is a problem you don’t need a solution to.
Did you know that the asylum seeker accommodation costs came out of the foreign aid budget? I didn’t.
Now think it through. 16.4% of that budget is now being spent on UK economic aid. Rather than aiding India land space probes on the moon. Or the Wa’benzes updating their limousine fleets. Sounds like a result to me. You should be asking France to send more of them. One wonders if subsidising their rubber boats could also be put on the aid budget. Only if they’re UK manufactured, of course. Bit of creative accountancy you could run the foreign aid budget down to the zero it should be.
BiS – I don’t think moving the foreign aid budget from schools in Tanzania to ensuring every schoolgirl in England meets illiterate foreign rapists is that big a win.
@TMB
I’ve lived in this part of France. The French have been trying to restrict the numbers of these vermin getting to the coast for years. I lost count of the times my car was stopped & checked for them. And they’re an absolute disaster for anyone living near the coasts. They’re barricaded in their own houses. I had a set to with a couple of the cunts when I briefly stopped at the MickeyD’s on the coast highway. Trying to break into my car in broad daylight in the carpark. Fortunately, like the French, I was aware of the dangers & prepared. One of them got a heavy adjustable spanner round the side of the head. If I killed him, there was nothing about it on the news. Nobody cares.
For the French, this is entirely a Brit problem & always has been. They don’t come to France to enjoy French hospitality. They don’t get any. You’re the ones made yourselves a magnet for them
Steve. This is the accommodation costs. Put ’em up in the Ritz & the Hiltons. But put razor wire fences round the hotels. And Londoners would have to suffer less fucking tourists. It’s a win-win mate.
moving the foreign aid budget from schools in Tanzania
The schools with the solid gold taps in their bathrooms? Right. Be a shame if they were affected.
BiS – it doesn’t matter where they house them, because they have no intention of ever sending any of them back.
The Tories screech about “processing the backlog” and “safe and legal routes”. Their only plan for “stopping the boats” is to approve their claims and get them onto British welfare as soon as possible.
“They don’t come to France to enjoy French hospitality. They don’t get any. You’re the ones made yourself a magnet for them.”
This is the reason these invaders come to this country. Put up in hotels (Home Office requirement of minimum of 3 star); given mobile phones to replace the ones they threw into the Channel on seeing the Border Farce Escort Service or RNLI boats; access to the internet; precedence for medical and dental care; and the urgent placement in schools of 24 year old men claiming to be children. All of this at no cost to themselves. On top of this, there is the opportunity to disappear into their communities already here, giving them the freedom to do whatever they want. Sweden’s rising crime figures show what happens when “refugees” are welcomed into their country, and it’s already happening here.
Why aren’t they photographed, finger printed, and samples of DNA taken? This is done for UK based criminals, so why not for illegal invaders? It won’t help solve the immediate problem but may do so in the future.
Then, there is the problem of the left wing (un)civil service, doing their best to undermine government policies, until the Labour Party (wholly owned subsidiary of the Communist Party) get the keys to No 10.
What was it, again, that Pte Frazer used to say in “Dad’s Army”?
I thought dumping the ECHR and then bribing Rwanda to take the lot sounded sensible. Or you could just hire those Saudi blokes who mowed down the reffos coming in from Yemen.
Or maybe you could see if anyone wants any slaves these days?
Bboy – Rwanda is, and always was, a squirrel. Gammonbait.
They have never planned to send more than a handful of them there. It’s Treeza May’s novelty “Immigrants Go Home” sign, part 2.0
Nota Benny that while the suppurating cunt was pretending to try to reduce migration, she was signing us up to UN Global Migration Compacts.
It’s like Lee Anderson. The stuff Tories sniggeringly think will appeal to their voters shows how little respect they have for them.
BiS: I’ve lived in this part of France.
Bad luck – you picked the dreariest part. You’re right, of course, that the UK is a magnet (more fool it) and by implication that Schengen means that this scum washes up where it does. It looks as though the Belges have adopted a new strategy for dealing with the boat people which reduces departures from their shores.
I always understood the Rwanda scheme was a one for one. We ship them one of our unwanted but in return have to take one of theirs – probably in need of expensive medical treatment.
If we have already started accepting Rwanda’s finest it hasn’t been reported, but there again it wouldn’t be would it?
Bad luck – you picked the dreariest part.
It is a bit short on scenery. It makes Holland look like Switzerland. But for a Brit, it’s quite a good place to live. Les Flamands aren’t French. They’re the English the other side of the Channel, just happen to speak mostly French. Flamand’s so close to English you hardly need to translate. They think the same way as the English, go on the same as the English. It’s like living in the Southern England of the 50’s. With English of the 50’s
Penseivat,
“Why aren’t they photographed, finger printed, and samples of DNA taken? This is done for UK based criminals, so why not for illegal invaders? It won’t help solve the immediate problem but may do so in the future.
Then, there is the problem of the left wing (un)civil service, doing their best to undermine government policies, until the Labour Party (wholly owned subsidiary of the Communist Party) get the keys to No 10.
What was it, again, that Pte Frazer used to say in “Dad’s Army”?”
Because the Conservative politicians don’t care. No-one in that party from the activists up cares about this. They make the odd announcement, do the odd PR thing, but they don’t care. And people need to get this. Despite all the talk from them, and how the left would like to project them as heartless bastards or racists in blazers, they aren’t. And there are so many red flags for the past 15 years that tell you that.
As for the civil service, there is no great cabal of people undermining the Conservatives. The greatest sin of civil servants is that they’re lazy, but they were just as lazy under Blair. And if the Conservatives have enemies within the state, they can very easily get rid of them by cutting budgets or privatising. They have had a majority of 80 for nearly 4 years so what’s their excuse for not going to fucking town on them by now?
While the Tories do their best to make it look like rounding up illiterate foreign criminals and compelling them to get on a flight is some kind of insane lunacy that’s more difficult than the Apollo Moon Missions and the Manhattan Project put together, countries like Morocco and Israel successfully remove unwanted foreigners all the time.
There’s no future for Britain, but the good news is there’s no future for Tories either.
Let them eat piss.
Sweden’s rising crime figures show what happens when “refugees” are welcomed into their country, and it’s already happening here.
Worth reading this from the Torygraph this morning: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/30/nagorno-karabakh-a-democratic-nation-has-died/
Geoffrey Robertson reckons “We should certainly offer to take some of the many thousands of refugees” These are Armenians. The ones that the receiving end of the Turkish Armenian genocide. And the UK has a large & growing Turkish community. From a country has it’s own minor civil war going on. I can remember the exchange of automatic weapon fire in Green Lanes, Harringay between the Turks & the PPK. I only missed being a participant by two minutes.
This is something these do-gooding (with other people’s lives) arseholes don’t get. When you import refugees you’re importing the reasons they are refugees. Very often you’re also importing the other sides refugees. They think they’re going to sit down together for a few verses of Kum-by-Ya? Do people realise how many intercultural frictions that often turn violent are going on in the UK these days? Behind those news reports of people of no appearance. I can think of at least a dozen. Each one breeds its own mobs of criminals financing its aims. Why’d you think you’ve so many Albanians now?
BiS
Where I used to live in Vienna had a v high Turkish population but also a lot of ex Yugoslavs.
When there was a match between Turkey and Croatia the cops just barricaded the main street and let the two sides get on with it.
“The UK has a large & growing Turkish community” – it certainly has. Just look at the number of Turkish barbers in the high streets. We’ve got more barbers than nail shops around here.
Conservatives (not the party, obvs) are always mourning the past. That is why they fail.
Think past the sale – we can’t resurrect the 1980’s, we cannot return to a home that no longer exists. We can’t fix something that can’t be fixed. The political Right needs to stop battering its head against that wall.
Instead of being sad that we can’t go back, how about imagining a better future instead? The old failed, we need ideas, institutions and ways of explaining the world we now find ourselves in that are new.
countries like Morocco and Israel successfully remove unwanted foreigners all the time.
El Salvador got rid of unwanted gangs as well.
Just shows it’s always possible, it just takes political will
Which our politicians don’t have. Or they just don’t want to do it.
@Steve
You’re working yourself into a situation where you’ll only have the German Solution left. If they don’t do it to you first. And that isn’t intended as some sort of sick joke. I mean it. The people you’re importing are quite capable of doing it to you. They wouldn’t shed a tear. They don’t have your mistaken moralities. You’re living in their world. Or you can die in their world if you prefer it.
Just look at the number of Turkish barbers in the high streets.
And how many of them are Kurdish? Do you know the difference? They certainly do.
BiS:
“Just look at the number of Turkish barbers in the high streets.
And how many of them are Kurdish? Do you know the difference? They certainly do.”
Mine is very definitely Kurdish, as he made /very/ clear when I first went for a trim with him. Top lad, by the way.
No idea what proportion of ‘Turkish’ barbers are Kurds and others not.
BiS – we’re not doing anything, because we don’t currently have any political power.
When I talk about the failure of the Old, part of that lies in still behaving as if we have some sort of stake in this system, and as if we can effect change by voting harder.
We do not, we are the Red Injuns now. Everybody from King Tampax to your local council’s Senior Diversity Officer is pulling against you.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you.
But first they must catch you.
we’re not doing anything, because we don’t currently have any political power.
Then take some political power. If you can’t do it democratically because they’ve rigged the system, there are other ways. Or you will eventually run out of options.
Why do you think I pissed off, Steve? I’d rather live alongside foreigners of my choice
I see a lot of articles bemoaning knife crime in London, but the only article I’ve seen trying to get to the root of the problem was an article in the Guardian many years ago(I know unbelievable) They interviewd members of various gangs in and around London about gang violence, They interviewed members of one black gang who said that the usual way to solve disputes between gangs was to have a meetup where insults would be swapped along with some punchups. That all changed when one black gang had some beef with a Somali gang. A meeting was arranged and at the meeting the leader of the black gang started with the ritual of insults-the somali leader walked up to him and plunged aknife into his chest without a word.The gang said that changed everything and soon all the gangs were tooled up. Import the third world and get the third world.
BIS,
Then take some political power. If you can’t do it democratically because they’ve rigged the system, there are other ways. Or you will eventually run out of options.
You can do it democratically, and UKIP and the EU referendum proved that. The establishment LibLabCon parties didn’t want this.
The problem is that most of the public don’t pay much attention. They watch ITV or BBC News where a politician sticks a hi-viz jacket on and makes a speech, and still think government essentially works. And I don’t get how people use McDonalds, Toyota, Amazon, and it all works spectacularly, but nearly all government services are incompetently run, and they don’t see a pattern. Even things where it clearly isn’t about money, like how trains are expensive and shit, but coaches, cars and airlines are cheaper and more reliable.
If you think UKIP & the EU Referendum proved you can effect change democratically, I’ve a bridge you might be interested in buying.
Well, Australia fixed it. Admittedly a bit easier for us, the Timor Strait isn’t that wide but it’s more than the English Channel, but the combination of “declare distress at sea and you’re going to Nauru, never setting foot on the mainland to seek asylum” and purpose built boats that were unsinkable and had just enough fuel to get back to Indonesia. Cross load passengers, sink original fishing trawler (already disabled by the passengers so they could call in an emergency) , wave goodbye, don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out. Of course they kept an eye on them till they got to shore, but the people smuggling trade dried up in weeks once people realized that they weren’t going to get what they were paying for. Political will.
BiS – ah – so just because it says ‘Turkish Barber’ on the sign, it doesn’t actually mean that it’s Turkish. I didn’t know that. Bit like an ‘Indian’ restaurant then?
“The UK has a large & growing Turkish community” – it certainly has. Just look at the number of Turkish barbers in the high streets. We’ve got more barbers than nail shops around here.
I’m often told that these are for ‘money laundering’, but I don’t understand how that works. What’s the turnover of a high street barber shop wit h2/3 chairs? 100 grand a year (certainly not into 7 figures)? You’d need an awful lot of those if you were a drug baron.
The ones near me are staffed by Turks, originally from Istanbul , but now Green Lanes, who drive 25 miles from there in a minibus up to the towns in the Chilterns. I’ve no idea how the economics works out.
Chris,
It’s to move the proceeds of the illegal activity (dunno, drugs probably) through the putatively legal (haircuts). Tanning salons in Jockland last decade. A couple of the endless series of beauty solans locally tried to add one or two tanning beds and were (reportedly) violently discouraged.
@Penseivat – “All of this at no cost to themselves.”
Apart from the thousands paid to people smugglers and the serious chance of drowning.
@SE
I understand the principle of laundering dirty money. I just don’t see how the scale works. I imagine the drug boss of N London is turning over at last an 8-figure annual sum. They’d need a vast chain of barbers to hide sums of that size.
But I’ve no doubt it happens, so I must be missing something.