Hamas’s murderous attack will be remembered as Israeli intelligence failure for the ages
You see, it’s really Mossad to blame here.
Netanyahu’s far-right government, peopled with individuals in cabinet roles who should not hold public office, such as Itamar Ben Gvir, the minister for national security, have spent their time pouring petrol on what was an already highly combustible situation in the occupied territories.
Well, and Bibi.
The major question is the scope of Israel’s response. Already framed as a war, Hamas’s attack will put pressure on Netanyahu from a far right that has long pushed for a definitive attack on Gaza, perhaps ending in full reoccupation.
D’ye see? It’s they, them, their fault!
They made us do it.
The Graun following the Coryn line? Blow me down with a foreskin…
“already framed as a war”.
hmm. What choice did they have? Special Military Operation has already been taken.
“Hamas’s murderous attack will be remembered as Israeli intelligence failure for the ages”
The left’s approach is either they were stupid Jews who over-reached and had it coming; or cunning strategists content to sacrifice their own civilians to start a war.
Corbyn’s response is predictably sickening.
My Dad says Israel is run by the Jews.
You see, its the racist Israelis at fault for violently shooting and bombing mostly peaceful invaders who are just protesting in their traditional mostly peaceful way of taking wheelchair bound grannies hostage, shooting random passers-by in the street and indiscriminately firing thousands of peace rockets into civilian areas.
The anti-Semite blames the Jew.
The Islamophobe blames the Moslem.
But what if they’re both winding each other up:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/4/israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-complex-on-fifth-day-of-sukkot
Hmm, does Hope Not Hate know about Israel?
Meanwhile, Israeli police on Wednesday arrested five people suspected of spitting towards Christians or churches in the Old City of Jerusalem and formed a special investigative team to deal with growing complaints of hostile gestures against Christians.
“Unfortunately, we witness the continued disgraceful acts of hatred towards Christians in the Old City of Jerusalem, primarily through spitting by extremists,” said Jerusalem District Commander Doron Turgeman on Wednesday.
The Palestinians cannot live in peace with each other, or other Arabs, never mind Israelis.
And what a curious coincidence. Afghanistan awash with $billions of US military hardware, money, weapons, munitions from the US & NATO sent to Ukraine without anyone knowing where it ends up, and a $6 billion gift by Crime Boss ‘Big Guy’ Biden to Iran, the sponsors of the Hamas.
All purely coincidental I suppose.
Let us also not forget the words of Zuheir Mohsen, – top PLO member responsible for the Damur massacre:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.
And after watching the animals murder, strip and parade the body of a young German- Israeli woman (ironically in Israel to attend a music festival for peace) for their ‘brothers’ to beat, I hope Israel fucking annihilates every last ‘palestinian’.
Seconded, Addolff. Time this festering boil was lanced once and for all.
It’s time for a cleanout and with Russia in Ukraine and Chine prepping for Taiwan I doubt anyone will have the bandwidth outside our whingey media to even think about this.
As far as an intelligence failure goes Hamas just has to get it right once to do this. Israel has to get it right every time.
‘And after watching the animals murder, strip and parade the body of a young German- Israeli woman’
Yes Addolff. I really don’t like that.
That Norm McDonald joke has been getting recycled with a little modification:
What terrifies me is if Hamas were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 5 million Jews. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Palestinians?
– Hmm, does Hope Not Hate know about Israel?
I’m sure some of your keener acolytes will be impressed by your “winning” comparison of a few spitting and trespassing nutters with wholesale slaughter celebrated by nearly everyone.
Steve is an amalgalm of Corbyn and Goebbels, with Corbyn’s intellect and Goebbels’ good looks.
Civilians snatched from the street and slaughtered, but let’s talk about 5 people who spat at Christians and who were immediately arrested.
But what would you expect from someone who is still having a massive childish hissy fit because the British PM has brown skin? (It’s the same colour as poo you know!)
PJF – Comparison?
No, it’s not a comparison, it’s context, intit.
Diversity is Israel’s strength, right? Also something something nobody’s illegal on stolen land or something. I’m tryna remember the ADL’s advice when those “fiery but peaceful” protests immolated all those American cities…. pretty sure they took the side of the insurgents.
Snag – Cobbels?
and Goebbels’ good looks.
How do you know?
MC – But what would you expect from someone who is still having a massive childish hissy fit because the British PM has brown skin? (It’s the same colour as poo you know!)
If it amuses you to tell yourself this, it would be rude of me to disagree.
“Already framed as a war, Hamas’s attack will put pressure on Netanyahu from a far right that has long pushed for a definitive attack on Gaza, perhaps ending in full reoccupation.”
I remember when they got Gaza given back to them and just smashed shit up. It was a defining moment where my general sense that the Palestinians were chavs was crystallised. People who are broke and decent don’t go smashing shit up that they’ve been given.
Also, why do people who claim to love women being educated, gays being free to have some man-on-man action and aetheism have such a boner for Palestine?
No, it’s not a comparison, it’s context, intit.
Hamas wants to annihilate Israel, so a proportionate response would be for Israel to declare they want to annihilate Gaza.
Ted – apparently/allegedly (depending on how much you believe Palestinian government sources) Israel has already killed 230 Palestinians in response to yesterday’s Hamas attacks. That won’t change anything, except for the people who died and their grieving relatives, just as the Islamic jihad won’t fix anything.
it’s true that Hamas is far more extreme and aggressive than Israel. It’s also true the Palestinians usually end up dying in much bigger numbers than Israelites – themselves no strangers to bombing their neighbours – when the two tribes fight. This is a self sustaining cycle of violence.
Israel and the Palestinians are stuck with each other now. There were fewer than a million Palestinians in 1948, now they’re an absolute majority in the combined territories of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
The lesson here is that Diversity plus Proximity equals War, Shirley.
Because todays grauniad reader hates Western civilisation far more than they like gays. It’s why they’re also pushing open borders (for us), net zero, and every other anti-west fad that drifts past.
– Israel has already killed 230 Palestinians . . .
Israeli death toll from yesterday now tops 600.
– There were fewer than a million Palestinians in 1948, now they’re an absolute majority in the combined territories of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
Despite Hamas’s best efforts, Jews still outnumber Palestinian Arabs in these areas (according to Wikipee).
Steve, please read my post @ 9.37, they are moslem arabs, not ‘palestinians’.
There are five stages of moslem invasion:
1. Migrate.
2. Populate.
3. Agitate (for ‘their’ rights).
4. Populate some more.
5. Dominate.
Which is exactly what they are doing in the West with the collusion of Western Governments (in particular: 8 German NGO’s in the Mediteranean ferrying migrants to Italy, captained by blokes who want the ‘ weißbrot gone and Germany destroyed’ and all funded by the German Government…..) and why change something that has worked for 1400 hundred years?
Also, moslem law is clear that any land which ‘ is / ever has been moslem’ will always be moslem, so it is inconceivable for them to ever accept Jews in the middle east.
“ I remember when they got Gaza given back to them and just smashed shit up. It was a defining moment where my general sense that the Palestinians were chavs was crystallised. People who are broke and decent don’t go smashing shit up that they’ve been given.”
If the money that has been poured in to Gaza over the years had been spent wisely in the interests of the inhabitants it would have been amongst the richest ME states that don’t have oil. Instead it’s a shit hole and they’ve just brought retribution on themselves the likes of which we haven’t been seen for gerades, if not centuries.
Addolff – There are five stages of moslem invasion:
1. Migrate.
2. Populate.
3. Agitate (for ‘their’ rights).
4. Populate some more.
5. Dominate.
Really makes you wonder why the Board of Deputies is so consistently, vociferously keen on massive scale Islamic immigration to my country.
Maybe they only want what’s best for us.
PJF – have you ever seen the movie “District 9”?
Ted: I was pondering that earlier. How high above sea level is Gaza? Could Israel do a reverse-Netherlands and physically elimate the place?
Steve – are you saying you have no data to back your claim?
Between Hamas terrorists killing 600 and the prior actions of the Jewish “settler movement” throwing Palastinians off their land with the support of the Israeli military, I argue that they are both as bad as each other and need to bloody grow up instead of acting like children.
Finger pointing every time their is an atrocity by either side (and both have done it in the past) only leads to further antagonism and violence without end.
Yes, Israel has a right to exist and the Jews have arguably fought for a place in the middle East, but this cannot be at the sole expense of the Palestinians already living there.
Get around a table and talk it out.
John Galt – have you ever seen the movie “Independence Day”?
Your example doesn’t work, because they aren’t “us” by any stretch of the imagination.
Jews and Palestinians are wogs and as my dad always said “Wogs begin at Calais”.
Seems clear to me that the ferocity of the attcks and the targets are intended to provoke an Israeli over-reaction
They will achieve zero military effect
John Galt, the arabs got 77% of the ‘British Mandate of Palestine’ and the Jews got 23%. The arabs conveniently ignore and do not challenge the right of ‘Jordan’ to exist within that agrement as if it has nothing to do with ‘palestine’ and, despite the arabs being given three quarters of the land, have never and will never accept Israel, for the reason I mentioned above.
You absoutely cannot ever negotiate with a party that wants you dead*. They are only interested in any kind of ‘ceasefire’, ‘talks’, ‘diplomacy’ or ‘peace’ when they only see it as an opportunity to regroup and re-arm , ready for the next round of violence.
*Kyle Reese explaining to Sarah Connor that the Terminator cannot be reasoned with and will not stop, ever.
Yes, Israel has a right to exist and the Jews have arguably fought for a place in the middle East, but this cannot be at the sole expense of the Palestinians already living there.
The Middle East is a very big area:-
Egypt
Turkey
Iran
Iraq
Saudi
Yemen
Syria
Jordan
UAE
Kuwait
Oman
Qatar
Bahrain
Wiki shows that Turkish Jews account for just 0.11% of its population which is still more than anywhere else on that list – unless you include the little known country “West Bank” which wiki sees fit to include.
In other words there’s not exactly a lot of alternative places for them nowadays.
This ain’t 1948 anymore and the Jews have done as much shitty stuff to the Palestinians as has happened the other way around. There are no “innocent” parties in any of this.
The only way this is solved is by both parties being forced to the negotiating table and if that means more sanctions on Hamas and Iran then I’m all for it (whatever works really).
Because what we have right now doesn’t work at all for either side.
JG, absolutely missing the points I have laid out out above which are absolutely fundamental to the mindset of the arabs.
They are not interested in peace in the middle east, they want the Jews gone. Period.
And when moslems come to the West, they are not interested in assimilating, they want us gone. Period.
Sun Tzu had this sussed a couple of thousand years ago – if you do not understand their mentality you will die. As we are doing in the West.
…and that cannot happen and cannot be allowed to happen.
So we’re meant to just shrug and say “Barbarians. Nothing can be done”. Nope, that doesn’t work for me. This periodic blood letting by both sides must be brought to an end even if in doing so both sides need to be punished until they learn to co-operate.
“No Never” won’t do. From anybody.
@John Galt – “So we’re meant to just shrug…”
Why not? Why is it our problem? What foreigners do in foreign countries is not always our business.
I do like the Sam Harris thought experiment asking what would each side do if it had perfect weapons.
For Hamas every single missile fired would successfully murder a Jewish civilian, or even better a few of them.
For Israel every single missile fired would hit a building housing Hamas terrorists and murder them alone.
Personally, I’d solve the long term issue by using some of the aid budget to ship free porn, bacon and alcohol to Gaza, and ask Israel nicely to let the merch through their checkpoints.
This is just my opinion, but….
Just Glass the area.
Sure, many-much historical artifacts will be ruined, but seriously.. it would shut up the Highschool musical Bitchfichting.
And make a really solid argument for anyone trying to start/maintain this type of BitchFight to…rethink their options.
And yes, it’s the damn Jews again….. And the Arabs again….
Except for the *teensy* bit that the non-militant/religious on both ends are looking at this mess as Pure Insanity.
Which bit was it again in a previous article that actually allows the majority to call the Shots?
Certainly ain’t happening here….
BiND,
“If the money that has been poured in to Gaza over the years had been spent wisely in the interests of the inhabitants it would have been amongst the richest ME states that don’t have oil. Instead it’s a shit hole and they’ve just brought retribution on themselves the likes of which we haven’t been seen for gerades, if not centuries.”
I think that Sheldon Cooper’s Nuevo Jerusalem plan has some merit, albeit with the Palestinians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJgi-Lou1NA
How much would you have to pay them to leave? $100K? They can leave go to Egypt or Jordan and buy a load of land, be stinking rich. 4 million of them. So, $500m and you no longer have a Palestinian problem.
You mean half a trill?
Not so much when you consider it’s roughly what our Government spunked over its bat-shit over-reacton to the Chinky Flu.
Grikath,
“Sure, many-much historical artifacts will be ruined, but seriously.. it would shut up the Highschool musical Bitchfichting.”
What historical artifacts? Some archaeologist will say it was really important, but they always say that. If there isn’t a cafe and a gift shop nearby, it wasn’t important.
It won’t be long before Iran has deliverable nuclear weapons. Then, as they have promised, they will obliterate Israel. The Palestinians will die from the fallout, but every true Moslem wants to be a martyr, right?
Problem solved.
I was reading up on Gaza City some time ago. What struck me was how many times it was described as “destroyed/rebuilt” over thousands of years. I’d be well surprised if there’s anything left that’s much over a couple of hundred years old.
@ John Galt
– Your example doesn’t work, because they aren’t “us” by any stretch of the imagination.
That wasn’t the point of the film reference. When the earthlings ask the attacking aliens what they want the earthlings to do, the aliens reply “die”.
As Addolff pointed out, there is no negotiation possible with that. And since the Hamas Charter states:
Article 13: There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer.
that pretty much wraps it up for getting them around the table.
Nice idea. Nicer than general nuclear genocide, anyway.
Well, I’m in agreement with Adolff, Juli and many others. I hope the Israeli Defence Force occupies the Gaza Strip and slaughters every filthy islamist pig in it.
PJF – Steve – are you saying you have no data to back your claim?
No, I’m not disagreeing with you at all.
But wait till the end of the Israeli operation. The IDF is going to make this a very unfavorable exchange for Palestine. Several thousands dead, most likely. It’s war.
It won’t solve their demographic challenge, which is only going to get worse as the average age of Palestinians is 19, and their other Arab neighbours are similarly fecund.
I do wonder if the absolute, satanic, animal savagery of Hamas might cause Western libs to ask if maybe supporting Palestine isn’t as chic as they thought.
But the Bataclan, Lorries of Peace, and 100,000 raped English girls weren’t enough to prevent us from being berated about “Islamophobia”, which is more aggressively policed by today’s authorities than Christian blasphemy laws ever were, so don’t go holding on to any breaths you have there just yet.
If I was Netanyahu, I’d nuke Gaza btw. The ending of District 9 mentions, as if in passing, that the Earth’s alien refugee population (violent, but rather stupid giant prawn people) reached 2.5 million since the events depicted in the film.
Steve Sailer thought about that, and realised it means there’d be 100,000,000,000 of them 100 years later.
– If I was Netanyahu, I’d nuke Gaza btw.
He’d know that would be end of Israel (since all backing would evaporate), plus the Jews have a bit of a thing about holocausts (not just their own avoidance). Amazingly, the Israelis are still sticking to their policy of phone call evacuation orders and a final small bomb warning before destroying buildings (this is how the sick-fuck media are able to set their cameras set up).
However, if Hezbollah lets loose he may have no choice but to tactically nuke them. Hezbollah have terrifying power; they have proper missiles by the boatload – including powerful guided units that could neutralise the IAF. If that happens, Israel is conventionally defenseless and the (now very well armed) Arab countries would probably all pile in. There should be no doubt now what will happen to millions of Israelis in that event. This is why the Ford carrier battle group is headed to the Eastern Med asap.
I haven’t seen it in the MSM, but apparently the Israelis had to evacuate an airbase in the south. Airworthy planes flew out and those in maintanance were carted away on trucks. It’ll take some time to get those squadrons organised again.
The Israeli death toll is now over 700, with over 250 bodies found at that rave peace-party* site. Probably nearly all those youngsters who were seen dancing and then running are dead or suffering rape slavery. There were rows and rows of shot up and burnt out cars.
At the moment I think the Israelis are just hitting usual-suspect targets and following an incursion plan that would have been arranged for reactions to “normal” Hamas terror. As well as looking for their kidnapped citizens, of course. But I think they’ll regroup and reorganise to follow Nikki Haley’s advice re Hamas and the other cunts:
“Finish them. Finish them.”
I do wonder if the absolute, satanic, animal savagery of Hamas might cause Western libs to ask if maybe supporting Palestine isn’t as chic as they thought.
As we see, the core freaks – no. They are satanic, too. Nothing will alter their viewpoint other than them no longer having any viewpoint.
But a lot of the wider, previously propagandised normies fed Pallywood pictures of teddy bears in rubble by our cunt-media may take a bit more persuading this time. They’ll have seen the unedited, non-pixelated videos so wisely published by Elon-X. The diabolical slaughter and cruel savagery. The beating and torment of a little Israeli boy by their own children set upon him at their instigation. Sick, remorseless, unredeemably evil people who haven’t moved on, can’t move on, and won’t move on, from the darkness of a 7th century death cult.
@PJF
‘Sick, remorseless, unredeemably evil people who haven’t moved on, can’t move on, and won’t move on, from the darkness of a 7th century death cult.’
Wish I had said that… expresses exactly how I feel
PJF – saw this on Twatter:
what did y’all think decolonization meant? vibes? papers? essays? losers.
-Najma Sharif
‘not like this’ then like what. Show us LOL
-Najma Sharif
Where my third world posse? Where my third world posse? Get the gat, get the gat, get the gat
-Najma Sharif
Najma Sharif is a Somali-American writer based in the digital world. Sharif was born in Virginia and raised in Minnesota. Her work has been featured in NBC, Cultured Mag, Teen Vogue, and Nylon, and she has written covers for Amaka Studio, MIC, Dazed and Paper Magazine.
Remember how much William Hague loves Somalis?
The former colonial power needs to sort this out.
All Palestinians to be offered Turkish passports.
So Steve, Najma Sharif will be cheering on the anti-colonialists when they rape and murder her and the other Muzzies??
Bboy – no, that’s Islamophobia.
She just wants to see Jews, Christians and white people raped and murdered.
jgh
Gaza was pretty trashed in the fighting during the Great War. I doubt much there is over 50 years old.
Jews in many of the ME countries were frequently pogrommed. Britain used its army in Egypt to protect Jews and Coptic Christians from being attacked. British rule in Palestine meant that the trouble became concentrated in one place as all the Jews in ME started to migrate there.
Western Bloke,
How much would you have to pay them to leave? $100K? They can leave go to Egypt or Jordan and buy a load of land, be stinking rich. 4 million of them. So, $500m and you no longer have a Palestinian problem.
That assumes they’ll be welcome elsewhere, even with money. By many accounts I’ve read Egypt has even stricter borders that Israel.
There was a video of an Iranian football match doing the rounds on Twatter last night, apparently some IRGC goons had gone along with Palestinian flags and crowd was chanting they should shove the flags up their arses.
There was a video of an Iranian football match doing the rounds on Twatter last night, apparently some IRGC goons had gone along with Palestinian flags
Are you sure this wasn’t Celtic fans at Parkhead on Saturday?
Probably not as there wouldn’t have been any of the chanting you mention.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12607157/Israeli-former-Celtic-player-Nir-Bitton-slams-clubs-brainwashed-fans-held-Free-Palestine-Victory-resistance-banners-Parkhead-following-Hamas-militants-attack-country.html
Here it is
https://x.com/natalieamiri/status/1711095668826116251?s=61&t=VX5cJ0-osgn_JSz7j-uowQ
That assumes they’ll be welcome elsewhere, even with money. By many accounts I’ve read Egypt has even stricter borders that Israel.
Indeed BiND. When I did trips to the ME in the 1990s, Arabs I spoke to considered the Palestinians little better than rats. They were troublemakers and took their grievances with them.
IIRC the Palestinians wee ejected from Jordan after they tried to takeover (Black September)
Exactly starfish and the memory of that betrayal lives long in Jordan.
Now we know who SNPland’s First minister Humza Useless supports:
Humza Yousaf’s family ‘trapped in Gaza’ after Hamas attack on Israel
Speaking to journalists, Scotland’s First Minister said that thought should be given to the millions of people living in Gaza who have “nothing to do with Hamas” – Despite electing Hamas
SNP to send their luxury campervan to rescue them?
“Militants” not restricted to BBC. C4, Sky UK, CNN, MSNBC… too
Even Liberal MSNBC Guest Calls Out MSNBC and Media for Not Calling Hamas Terrorists
btw Hamas using weapons West gave to Zelensky and weapons US ‘gave’ to Taliban
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Now we know who SNPland’s First minister Humza Useless supports:
Humza Yousaf’s family ‘trapped in Gaza’ after Hamas attack on Israel
Speaking to journalists, Scotland’s First Minister said that thought should be given to the millions of people living in Gaza who have “nothing to do with Hamas” – Despite electing Hamas
SNP to send their luxury campervan to rescue them?
“Militants” not restricted to BBC. C4, Sky UK, CNN, MSNBC… too
Even Liberal MSNBC Guest Calls Out MSNBC and Media for Not Calling Hamas Terrorists
btw Hamas using weapons West gave to Zelensky and weapons US ‘gave’ to Taliban