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Firearms deaths in children

Saw a couple of American pieces referring to firearms deaths in hte US. Of course, given hte meeja, they led to calls to abolish the 2 nd Amend etc. Gun control now! So, found the actual paper:

In 2021, firearms continued to be the leading cause of death among US children. From 2018 to 2021, there was a 41.6% increase in the firearm death rate. In 2021, among children who died by firearms, 84.8% were male, 49.9% were Black, 82.6% were aged 15 to 19 years, and 64.3% died by homicide. Black children accounted for 67.3% of firearm homicides, with a death rate increase of 1.8 from 2020 to 2021. White children accounted for 78.4% of firearm suicides. From 2020 to 2021, the suicide rate increased among Black and white children, yet decreased among American Indian or Alaskan Native children. Geographically, there were worsening clusters of firearm death rates in Southern states and increasing rates in Midwestern states from 2018 to 2021. Across the United States, higher poverty levels correlated with higher firearm death rates (R = 0.76, P < .001).

So, it’s poor, black, male, teens murdering each other. Presumably over drugs or ho’s if we are to believe the soundtrack. And yes, of course this will be prevented by disarming suburban Moms.

30 thoughts on “Firearms deaths in children”

  1. I saw a story the other day that the Democrats voted down a bill that would prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining a gun licence and ergo, a gun.

    Strange how they are intent on stopping having guns but are quite happy for recently arrived members of MS13 to buy them……

  2. If they banned guns, then the kids wouldn’t have access to them when they break into peoples’ houses to steal them.

  3. I forget the source, but someone pointed out that if you removed the gang violence, the USA would be more like Switzerland. One thing about the USA is just how big drugs are. Surveys of US vs European teenagers show that 18% of US teens have used cannabis, compared to 7% of Europeans. On the other side, Europeans are far more likely to have consumed alcohol. That’s a lot more people dealing, which means a lot more people shooting.

    On top of that, take note of that “64.3% are homicides”. Most adult gun deaths in the USA are suicide. Sounds like it’s lower amongst teenagers, but it’s still a large chunk. If they weren’t shooting themselves they’d be doing pills or something else.

  4. Addolff, it’s events like that that have tipped me over the edge.
    I’m now a “paranoid right-wing fanatic”. Having read Douglas Murray’s The War on the West and looked at the facts behind what the authorities to stop illegal immigrants on the South coast, I’m now convinced that the political class in the west are following someone’s ideas. They’re certainly not acting for the benefit of their citizens…

  5. WB – I forget the source, but someone pointed out that if you removed the gang violence, the USA would be more like Switzerland

    If you removed your uncle’s willy he’d be your auntie tho

    If the USA still had a white supermajority, it would be like a white country. But the USA isn’t full of Swissies, it’s full of brown people.

  6. WB – 18% of US teens have used cannabis, compared to 7% of Europeans. On the other side, Europeans are far more likely to have consumed alcohol. That’s a lot more people dealing, which means a lot more people shooting.

    Shot by weed dealers? Mmkay.

    Is this like how people think drugs dealers are going to give schoolchildren enough free samples “to get them hooked”? (Then what? You get rich off their lunch money?)

    Grass is legal in most of the US now, it’s not a cartel business, it’s a legitimate business. Weed dealers aren’t usually violent gangsters, they’re usually stoners themselves.

    Teenagers shouldn’t be doing either booze or blow, but booze is a much bigger factor in violence. Your average weed enjoyer is more like Jay and Silent Bob or Afroman than Tony Montana.

  7. Bloke in North Dorset

    If you removed your uncle’s willy he’d be your auntie tho

    No he wouldn’t, he’d still be a bloke in a frock but without a willy and therefore an uncle.

  8. BiND – No he wouldn’t, he’d still be a bloke in a frock but without a willy and therefore an uncle.

    What if it’s a very pretty frock tho?

  9. Weed dealers aren’t usually violent gangsters, they’re usually stoners themselves….Your average weed enjoyer is more like Jay and Silent Bob or Afroman than Tony Montana.
    As so often Steve, You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. Stick to playing your Jesse Winchester albums.
    Most of the gangbangers in the States will be doing puff. As is the equivalent stabby yoof in the UK. It’s ubiquitous. And puff’s just as likely to provoke extreme violence as booze is. It removes inhibitions in just the same way. As for “Weed dealers aren’t usually violent gangsters,”. How do you think they hang on to their money & the drugs? Keep their territories? By strumming acoustic guitars at people?

  10. BiS – As so often Steve, You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. Stick to playing your Jesse Winchester albums.

    That’s like saying Eddie the Eagle doesn’t know anything about skiing.

    Most of the gangbangers in the States will be doing puff. As is the equivalent stabby yoof in the UK. It’s ubiquitous

    They’ll also mostly be vaping. We should ban vaping to stop all these vape-crazed yoofs stabbing each other.

    And puff’s just as likely to provoke extreme violence as booze is.

    Oh aye?

    As for “Weed dealers aren’t usually violent gangsters,”. How do you think they hang on to their money & the drugs?

    Ok, from personal experience my dealer is a lovely man and he’s always welcome in my home. Unlike the TV Licensing people, who can fuck off.

    Idk if you think the weed business is like The Wire or Breaking Bad or something. It’s not like that at all. It’s more like a friend of a friend selling you a bit on the side while you nip by for a cuppa and a spliff. There’s not a huge amount of money in dealing weed, it’s one of the cheapest and least profitable drugs.

  11. Bloke in Spain – you should come to my house.

    My wife will feed you like a king, then we can smoke dope and listen to Jeff Wayne’s War Of The Worlds on vinyl.

  12. I seem to remember that part of this is they class anyone up to 28 as children for this study only. If that is true then that skews the figures significantly.

  13. Actual figures (from CDC, so take a pinch of salt)
    Number of deaths for adolescents aged 15–19 years: 13,407
    Deaths per 100,000 population for adolescents aged 15–19 years: 62.2
    Leading causes of deaths among adolescents aged 15–19 years:
    Accidents (unintentional injuries)
    Homicide
    Suicide

  14. if you removed the gang violence, the USA would be more like Switzerland

    Nope. The New Hampshire murder rate in 2021 rate was 1.2, making it the least murderous state. That rate is the same as that of England & Wales, despite NH being far less ethnically diverse and being far wealthier.

    The murder rate in Switzerland is 0.5 BTW. The USA is just more violent.

    Re: drugs & gangs. Firstly, of course the gangbangers and stabbers smoke loads of weed, that’s what the kids do. And the vast majority of the kids have no involvement in crime. As for stoners and violence, pull the other one. When I was a kid walking home at night across a Northern provincial city, it wasn’t the fucking stoners I was watching out for.

    Thanks to the widespread illegality of drugs, the big business end of it involves organised crime. However in the UK, outside of the shitty bits of the inner cities, the trade gets done without violence. Millions of stoners and coke-heads get high without them or their dealers running into any violence.

    In Hong Kong BTW, the Triads control the drugs trade and a nicer bunch of customer serviced-focused organised criminals you’ll never find. Pricey mind. Only ever cleaver their own you know!

  15. BIS,

    “As for “Weed dealers aren’t usually violent gangsters,”. How do you think they hang on to their money & the drugs? Keep their territories? By strumming acoustic guitars at people?”

    The little guys selling you a little weed aren’t violent gangsters. They’re slackers. They’re like the Avon lady, selling for others. They keep buying a decent amount from a guy, and giving him money, they’re happy.

    It’s the guys up the food chain who are the violent gangsters. Because yeah, that’s how you keep or grow your business. Not through higher quality or lower prices. And if they take over someone’s turf, they’re going to want the same distribution operation retained, only working for them. The Friendly Neighbourhood Drug Dealer might not even know things have changed. He works for Mr A who worked for Mr B and Mr B got shot and now it’s Mr C in charge. Mr A doesn’t really care.

  16. I think it was Larry Correia (fantasy author and complete gun nut, in a good way) who pointed out that serious crime in American cities was often concentrated in a few blocks here and there – even in Chicago which you might be thinking of as some dysfunctional 3rd world hell hole, there are plenty of quiet suburban generally low crime regions. Flip side is that even in relatively crime free NH, they still have blocks like that.

  17. Hopper,

    This is like Northern Ireland in the 1980s. I worked with someone who lived in a nice suburb of Belfast and explained that most of The Troubles took place in a small number of places like the Falls Road, and if you stayed away from there, it was nice.

  18. @WB
    The little guy sells you weed may indeed be getting it from a couple of superannuated hippies who grow it on their allotment. Entirely possible out in the boonies
    However that’s a relatively small slice of the drugs trade. Most is either imported or clandestinely grown in commercial quantities. The latter often referred to as skunk. The little guys on the street moving this stuff, don’t usually finance their own stock. You’re probably talking about a thousand quid or more stake to get into the price curve where they’d be making money. They’ll be taking their stock on a pay-when-sold basis. The get it in small batches & make very little on each sale. And it’s in their supplier’s interest never to let them build up enough capital to pay on the nail. Because his mark-up between input & output will be half of the street price or more. Much more than theirs. But we are now in a credit control situation. Not all of these clowns pay what they owe. So that requires debt recovery. You see where this is going?
    And that’s just at that tier.

  19. “Addolff
    October 7, 2023 at 7:09 am
    I saw a story the other day that the Democrats voted down a bill that would prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining a gun licence and ergo, a gun.”

    We don’t have gun licenses here except in a limited number of states. Congress can’t do anything about state licenses or the lack of and they don’t have the authority to impose a federal one.

  20. Can’t help thinking that anything reliant on Vietnamese slave-kids (forced by the gang bosses to whom they owe their ticket to Britain) to “look after” residential squats crammed with hydroponics and dodgily wired unmetered electricity, or alternatively smugglers shipping in concentrated stuff from Europe, is going to involve some less than genteel characters once you get away from the respectable faces of the trade. Also one of the better arguments for legalisation, so don’t think weed fans should shy away from admitting there are some nasties in the present supply chain.

  21. Aga @ 12.15.

    Thanks for that. Perhaps I misread the article and ‘licence’ wasn’t the word used and also my not being au fait with the system in the States, but the article (which i’ve just looked for but can’t find) definitely implied that thay had voted against a measure which would restrict illegals buying guns, whilst obviously being in favour of laws restricting legals (whites) buying guns………..

    I did find some search results from a couple of years ago which reported the Dems had voted against a bill to report illegals who had failed a background check.

  22. Addolff and Agammammon

    The user may not be licensed but the guns have to be registered , perhaps that is the confusion ?

    Does one need a licence/permit to hunt ?

  23. @OttoKring
    In the USA guns do not have to be registered. If a gun is purchased from a licensed dealer then the purchase is registered. This is the only record of gun ownership. Sale or trade of guns between private parties is not recorded. (Some states have tried to make this illegal). Also, people can legally manufacture guns for their personal use. (Vendors sell “80%” kits, with most of the machining already done).

    Hunting licenses are required, but this is for wildlife management purposes, nothing to do with guns.

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