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It’ll often be this way

A BBC programme has raised questions about whether the Hamas massacre at Kfar Aza kibbutz had really taken place.

On Oct 7, around 70 terrorists burst into the kibbutz, a farming community of 750, and murdered scores of residents, including families and babies.

Trending, a programme on BBC Arabic, suggested there were different versions of the story and that even Jeremy Bowen, the corporation’s Middle East editor who went to the scene, was simply repeating what he had been told by Israeli forces.

The original BBC headline said: “Hamas rejects accusations that its gunmen carried out atrocities in the Israeli Kfar Aza village.”

The headline was later changed before the entire report was removed from the BBC website, and later from YouTube.

A BBC spokesman said: “This report was quickly removed from BBC output as it failed to meet our editorial standards.

“It should not have remained on YouTube, it has been taken down and we are looking into how it remained accessible.”

You want reporters willing to hang around Gaza? Then they’re often going to be Gazans, aren’t they? Note, every media org is going to have this problem, everywhere.

BTW, anyone know anything about VoA in arabic? Whether anyone monitors it for this sort of stuff?

20 thoughts on “It’ll often be this way”

  1. This report was quickly removed from BBC output as it failed to meet our editorial standards.

    The editor who put it up also needs to be removed as does the mealy-mouthed “spokesman” (apologist).

  2. Not VoA, but Al Jazeera. Qatari Govt. sponsored so very sympathetic to the Gazans. Surprisingly willing to ask the awkward questions of the Hamas cheer-leaders depite generally supportive coverage.

    As an aside the quality of the “reporters” on the ground is pretty poor. I can accept that there is difficulties reporting in a foreign language but there was one English lad who was barely coherent.

  3. When Saddam invaded Kuwait you’ll remember that his troops invaded a hospital and consigned lots of babies to death by tipping them out of their incubators and sending the incubators to Baghdad. The papers were full of it.

    But it turned out that it had never happened – it was just a rather ingenious invention of a new propaganda line.

    Similarly, I’ve been persuaded that a lot of the Syrian poison gas attacks were mere invention.

    So the question isn’t whether the Palestinians and Israelis are lying – of course they are – but which claims are true, which false? Buggered if I know.

    I’ll make one guess. I suspect the terrorists did kill babies. I suspect they didn’t behead them. And my suspicions are worth bugger all because there’s every chance we’ll never know.

  4. I used to think it was crazy for posh people in the British establishment to be “Arabists” or “Muslimists”, because the Turks buggered Lawrence of Arabia.

    Now I am older and… older… I understand that the reason they’re Arabists or Muslimists is because the Turks buggered Lawrence of Arabia.

    As a pleb, I’ve never been buggered at all, except annually when HMRC gets my self assessment. But people called Crispin or Rafe can’t get enough of it apparently.

    You want reporters willing to hang around Gaza?

    I don’t even want to hear the word “Gaza”, ever again. I think, like most people, I stopped caring about “Gaza” once I saw Dancing Muslims Celebrating Racial Murder for the 1,000,000th time in my adult life.

    Wire in, Jews. Have as many Nagilas as you want. x

  5. “Similarly, I’ve been persuaded that a lot of the Syrian poison gas attacks were mere invention.”

    BellingCat was pretty confident about that one. They are v good at what they do, but are a bit tiresomely onesidedly selective on what they do choose to do.

    e.g. v little useful debunking of what’s going on in Gaza

  6. BellingCat was pretty confident about that one. They are v good at what they do, but are a bit tiresomely onesidedly selective on what they do choose to do.

    Well, I’d hope so, since they’re a not very cunningly disguised sockpuppet for our very own taxpayer funded security services.

  7. It’s a problem isn’t it? In reality, there’s no such thing as “truth” because the information you’re working with is always filtered through the people you’re getting it from.
    Hence one of my major rules in life – Whenever one is told something, the first question to ask yourself is “Why am I being told this?”

  8. Reporters at BBC News Arabic in the Middle East appeared to celebrate an attack that left approximately 1,300 dead, endorsing comments likening Hamas to freedom fighters, as well as describing the atrocity as a “morning of hope”

    See what I mean?

    Just Stop Caring.

  9. jgh, that may have been because the Germans had the temerity not heeding Strong British Opinion.

    The fact that the BBC doesn’t condemn deliberate terrorist massacres as such tells us something about the current sentiments of Strong British Opinion in that particular ivory Tower.

  10. I used to think it was crazy for posh people in the British establishment to be “Arabists” or “Muslimists” . . .

    I use to wonder if some significant portion of the British Raj went native and were closet muslims, secretly organising and sustaining a long term project to see Britain converted. But then I saw what Sweden were doing to themselves despite no colonial history, and realised that the sort of people who run western governments are just sick and mad. But that sickness doesn’t mean their treasonous heads shouldn’t be on pikes.

  11. “the German invasion of Poland” had such a strong effect on opinion in Britain that the Labour Party at last abandoned its opposition to conscription.

    (Tell me, why were they never called appeasers for that policy?)

  12. Had 2 conversations on the weekend with people I’d normally consider non-woke and they were parroting the Israelis are evil for what they did to the Palestinians and it’s just war line, like most people they had gone along with the media reporting about the poor persecuted people in Gaza and weren’t aware of the details of the attacks on Israel, they were also adamant that Hamas wanting to kill all the Jews wasn’t a real thing and just propaganda

  13. It would be interesting to monitor the development of the all-important bbc lead story headlines about the bombing of the Gaza hospital.

  14. The BBC accidentally slipped in a detail into this story that a hospital in Khan Younis (so further south than this one destroyed yesterday) was being used as a base for attempted murders of Israelis.
    The Gazans are sick of Hamas supposedly, or a lot are, but did any of them do anything about it, even denying them pussy could make a difference.

    “I heard rocket launches from near the hospital, as Hamas continues to strike inside Israel”

  15. One wonders why they just trot out the 300/500/800 dead in the news with not a scrap of scepticism. Even with a JDAM, and much more with a homemade rocket that is a very large number with one strike. Fifty would be a push and less than ten more likely. Why no questioning?

  16. Rhoda @2.19

    Appears it was not an Isra eelie missile (a hamas missile gone wrong. Or right…….), not a hospital but a parking lot, and not 500 dead.

    The first casualty and all that……

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