Two women have been arrested on suspicion of terrorism offences over the alleged display of paraglider images on their clothes during a pro-Palestine protest.
The Metropolitan Police had renewed appeals to identify the women at the weekend after issuing pictures of them during the first major protest in Trafalgar Square on Oct 14.
Well, not sure about teorrorism – public order offences perhaps?
It’s weird how all the “anti-racists” want to kill Jews, innit.
Can’t say I’m all that keen on them nicking people for fotos on t-shirts. To mangle a famous quote, you cheeerlead for this now but you won’t be cheering when they come for you. Who do you expect the filth to nick? Violent ragheads or someone dissing vegans?
I used to specialise in abusive t-shirts at one time. Can’t be many interest groups I haven’t gratuitously pissed off at one time or another. About time I got some more printed up. It’s a target rich environment, these days.
@bis
I’d agree with you if they weren’t actually coming for us.
But currently they are nicking women for standing outside abortion clinics thinking thoughts and not nicking gangs of muslims putting prayer mats down and blocking streets for hours on end.
They are coming for us, and if all we can do, for now, is to try to make at least some of their preferred classes play by their own rules then so be it.
Supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation is a crime under the Terrorism Act. The support can be monetary, verbal, visual. And it doesn’t have to be overt.
I’m expecting mass arrests at the British Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association.
Andyf – Flying Squad?
Oh for heaven’s sake, Interested. They have enough laws now they don’t choose to use. What makes you think they’ll use this one? Except for us?
You’re commenting on a story which shows them using it against people other than us.
Yeah. They’ve been arrested. But let’s see what actually transpires, eh?
Nothing much will happen to them, but a major reason why the cops never do anything about blatant displays of illegal racism from brown people and pet whites is because the gammon rarely bother to file a police complaint.
(Because the gammon usually believe in free speech, have better things to do, and are at least dimly aware they’re second class citizens)
You can’t trust the cops, natch. Might as well trust flies buzzing around your bin, but they’re definitely not going to do anything if they receive no complaints.
By contrast, trannies, Taqiyya Sunrise merchants, and Hope Not Hate have the rozzers on speed dial, innit.
In general I’m with Bloke in Spain on this. With regards to the two women, they might be able to argue in court (sensibly, previous to court) that the images were just stuck on their backs by others in the crowd without their knowledge. Might even be true.
However when we consider child pron laws, if a person looks at or stores images of child abuse they are charged as if they made the images themselves. The idea being that the demand for images creates the supply. One could similarly argue that if there was no support for terrorism there might be a lot less of it. So an overt display of support for terrorism might usefully be charged under terrorism laws rather than mere public order.
But it’s all tosswank fiddling around the edges until there is an honest acceptance that you can’t have a liberal society with a significant proportion of Muslims (the portion being surprisingly small). The world needs to be divided; civilisation and Islam.
Let’s try a thought experiment.
Suppose Mohammed was alive today and trying to get his book published.
The Gels at Penguin Random House would have a fit and demand that the book be banned.
Someone more senior might remark that Mo has been doing recitals and has gathered quite a following, so this might be a commercial opportunity.
An editor is appointed.
He removes the bile, hatred, misogyny, incitement to violence and just plain nonsense.
A rather slim pamphlet is left and returned to the author for approval.
A late night visit to the publisher CEO persuades him that it’s his neck on the line if he dares to question the literal word of God.
BBC News:-
………….Activists also point to the make up of the pro-Palestinian protests as evidence they are not antisemitic.
“There are hundreds of Jews on the demonstration. In fact, I’ve never experienced the more beautiful energy. I saw no hate, just a kind of a wonderful caring for humanity,” says Alexei Sayle who is both Jewish and also a patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.
Mr Sayle is also a lying piece of sh1t.
‘The law won’t be used against them.’
‘Yeah. They’ve been arrested. But let’s see what actually transpires, eh?’
I would prefer that no-one got arrested for this bullshit, but since we do I’m glad they are. What comes of it who can say. As you say, let’s see.
Mr Sayle is a useful idiot
I question the “useful” part
“Because the gammon usually believe in free speech, have better things to do, and are at least dimly aware they’re second class citizens”
See the example of the white England rugby player complaining about being racially abused by a black SA player, who was then cleared within 48hrs and allowed to play in the final and now has a winners medal.
Everyone knows that if those roles were reversed the ‘white racist’ would a) not have played in the final and b) would probably never play for his country again. He would very lose his club position too.
@John
You can be anti Israel but pro Jewish people in general. Does this make you antisemitic? I don’t think so, but the Israeli state very effectively promotes the position that a person who is anti Israel is being antisemitic.
‘very likely’ lose his club position too.
When do we get comment editing here?
” . . . I saw no hate, just a kind of a wonderful caring for humanity,” says Alexei Sayle . . .
I wonder if Mr Sayle will fly out to join the protests in Dagestan. Let’s make sure they know he’s on the plane.
– but the Israeli state very effectively promotes the position that a person who is anti Israel is being antisemitic.
[looks at world]
You’re having a laugh, aren’t you?
Jim – yes, but whoever taught Mbongeni “Bongi” Mbonambi (lol) to talk should have been prepared for this.
There are still some areas where the French have something useful to teach us:
According to local media reports, the woman had shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is the greatest,” and threatened to blow herself up prior to her being shot.
When police arrived, “they pulled the woman aside and first asked her to calm down but also to show her hands to show they presented no particular danger”, Mr Véran said.
When the woman refused to comply with their orders, two officers fired eight shots at her.
“There are hundreds of Jews on the demonstration. In fact, I’ve never experienced the more beautiful energy. I saw no hate, just a kind of a wonderful caring for humanity,” says Alexei Sayle
Funniest thing this twat has said since about 1984.
It’s a good job he’s not a religious Jew, there’s not enough yarmulke tape in the world to stop his hat spinning off on account of all that furious lying.
“He removes the … just plain nonsense.” I tried reading it once, in translation.
There were bits that seemed impossible to understand. I don’t mean simply that I don’t believe in the supernatural, I mean I really couldn’t see what it was driving at.
It wasn’t like rejecting chunks of the OT as fantasy or fake history; it was “what on earth is this on about?”
I later read about a scholar who (anonymously?) explained it. His hypothesis is that it was originally written in Syriac but that the Arabs who copied it assumed it was in Arabic and the result is confusion. (You have to remember that written Semitic languages anyway lend themselves to ambiguity because there are no vowels and, for much of history, no diacritical marks to help you infer the meaning of words.
I assume that scholars who write under their own names rarely condone the hypothesis.
Isn’t Google wonderful? Here you are.
https://www3.nd.edu/~reynolds/theo40286/readings/luxen%20extracts.pdf
P.S. It seems I underestimated the difficulties of written Semitic languages: the consonants are a source of problems too. No wonder the Greeks invented a proper alphabet. Clever buggers, the Greeks.
Definitely buggers anyway.
@dearieme
Mohammed was illiterate, it is agreed by all.
He recited his dreams of the Angel Gabriel and perhaps later dictated them to one or more scribes.
But any suggestion that Gabriel may not have spoken Mo’s dialect correctly, or that there may have been some misunderstanding in God’s command, or the scribes weren’t all that competent…
It’s literally the word of god and if you deny it you are literally Hitler.
As Galileo said, it’s still rubbish. God is mocked.
@bloke in spain – “Can’t say I’m all that keen on them nicking people for fotos on t-shirts.”
Indeed. If freedom of speech is to mean anything it must allow people to campaign vigorously for the most obnoxious causes.
There’s no virtue in permitting people to say things you agree with – that’s mere self-interest.
“There’s no virtue in permitting people to say things you agree with – that’s mere self-interest.”
It’s not only that. It’s context. The written word says what it says (Unless, according to the Met the word’s jihad. In which case it can be liberally interpreted to mean fluffy kittens) Any image can be interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean. Say you have a t-shirt with a Lancaster bomber on it. Souvenir of your day at Duxford. Germany are playing at Wembley so you get nicked in Piccadilly for being racistly anti-German.
“However when we consider child pron laws, if a person looks at or stores images of child abuse they are charged as if they made the images themselves.”
And look where that takes you. You may well have kiddy pr0n on your computer. Can you swear that you’ve looked through the entirety of every file you’ve ever received? And say you were sent some. Could be inadvertently. Whatsapped or e-mailed to the wrong person. Simple wrong numeral or couple of mistyped characters could achieve that. You delete it. But nothing in memory ever goes away. All you did was change the file list entries. The only way to get rid of it permanently is to overwrite the sector. Know how to do that?
@ bloke in spain
I didn’t say the laws were wise. They are what they are and they do offer a precedent for the subject at hand.
As I said, I’m pretty much with you on imagery in protests. As I also said, it doesn’t matter what’s being said – it’s the people saying it and the numbers of them. It doesn’t matter that Greta Thunberg supports “Palestine” with a Jewish conspiracy cuddly toy. It does matter that there are tens of millions of muslims in Europe who’ll block our cities to pray for more of the most diabolical savagery.
The West is next.
’There are still some areas where the French have something useful to teach us.’
Just not marksmanship, BraveFart, since she’s still alive…
Mind you, over here, the cops would probably arrest the other passengers for being ‘Islamophobic’