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Deconstructing Homonationalism And Pink Washing: How Israel Uses Queer People To Excuse Human Rights Violations
The pink washing tactics used by Israel in response to valid criticism show how their queer affirmative policies are inherently discriminatory towards Palestinians.

Because Israel is fine – legally – with LGBTQ and Palestine is not, therefore Israel pointing out that it’s fine with LGBTQ and Palestine is not is pinkwashing.

Summat to do with the Joos as far as I understand it.

31 thoughts on “A new one on me here”

  1. Genius, a piece of Chris Morris satire there.

    I particulary loved the reference to

    neutralise the potentially radical politics of queer Palestinians ‘in favour of a bourgeoise and domesticated‘ gay lifestyle

    Believe it or not, this has bothered me for years. I had always been told inth 80s and 90s that being a gayer was an expression of one’s rejection of bourgeois concepts of marriage and monogamy and that the hedonism of a gay lifestyle was an essential element to express their radicalism.

    Then suddenly they all want to get married.
    I don’t know many bumboys these days, I knew them through my missus . So I can only assume that this desire for domestication is because they are sll getting old or that it is some fiendish attempt to undermine the institution of marriage from the inside.

  2. The Israeli’s make the claim that Israel is the gayest nation on earth / has the most pro-LGBT legislation or whatever.

    What they don’t say is that it’s also got the highest number of convicted pedophile sex offenders, often foreign Jews who flee places like the US and UK because they can’t be refused entry into Israel as long as they are Jews.

    In doing so they free themselves from the long arm of the law (for those fleeing before imprisonment) and the constraints of the sex offenders registries (for those fleeing post-imprisonment).

    You never see that on an Israeli Tourist Board Advert.

  3. As the war between Israel and Hamas enters its fourth week, much of the global public has taken to social media and in-person demonstrations to protest the killing and forced displacement of Palestinian

    Nah. Moslems are raging (as usual) and there’s always a thin, pale crust of “refugees welcome here” loser whites in the crowd.

    But most people in the Western world don’t support Palestine, and good people certainly don’t support Palestine.

    There is a kind of memeification associated with this narrative to retort against gay people who choose to speak out against Israel by telling them how they will be ‘pushed off rooftops’ if they were to live amongst the Palestinians that they openly support.

    I agree, appeals to self preservation don’t work on a “community” already known for its pathologically impulsive, risky behaviour. Being pro-Pally isn’t that much different from having unprotected sexual encounters with loads of poppered-up strangers in dog costumes.

    This seems to be a widely used tactic in current years, formally known as Homonationalism

    No, that’s the SNP.

    At its essence, pink washing entails skilful image management, projecting a nation as a haven for LGBTQ+ communities while portraying its adversaries as intrinsically queerphobic.

    There are tons of openly homosexual or tranny Israelis and, uh, far fewer such cases in Palestine. This observation is “pink washing”, somehow. Damn clever, these Jews – lying by telling the truth about gay issues.

    I can’t be arsed reading the rest of her long, retarded article but needless to say I had the last laugh because I’m a Christian and our Lord wins.

  4. I had the last laugh because I’m a Christian and our Lord wins.

    Presumably “Wins” is in the context of a “Whose got the best invisible friend” competition?

    Even then I would suspect that Christianity is hardly more than equal 17th.

    Bloody Theists!

  5. Homonationalism?

    Is there any other kind?

    Foreign nationals who attend US centres of academic self-indulgence should, on arrival in that country, be required to surrender their passports to consular officials for processing through a shredder.

  6. JG – Presumably “Wins” is in the context of a “Whose got the best invisible friend” competition?

    No, wins as in every knee shall bend, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

    Hope that helps x

  7. I also don’t know why people keep saying God is invisible.

    There’s a lot more visible evidence for God existing than there is for us existing. The entire universe fell from His hand.

    We like to think of ourselves as Real Niggas. But God is realer than you or me.

  8. John Galt. A interesting statistic. Can you provide a link or citation.

    I understood that in 1999 the Knesset passed Amendment 6 to the Extradition Act, clarifying the admittedly muddy waters beforehand, permitting the extradition of Israeli citizens who have committed crimes abroad (albeit they can serve their overseas sentences in Israel if they were already citizens at the time of committing the offence).

    Obviously any decent person would ask/expect them to make this an exception to the “citizenship for all Jews”mantra. As this is not the case at least the country of origin should be able do something about it – assuming they can be bothered. The fact that you refer to instances where convicted nonces were able to flee to Israel before imprisonment (not unlike those perpetrators of honour killings who scarper back to the sub-continent before plod has woken up) suggests this is not the case.

  9. Regardless of who owned what when, and all the rest of it, Western populations are diverging in a pretty dangerous manner. We increasingly don’t share the same history.

    We have a growing number of Britons who want revenge (against Britain) for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Did anyone see that coming?

  10. “If the foreign state doesn’t know that a Jewish individual has fled to Israel, they can’t easily issue an extradition request.”

    I would be hard for the foreign state to request extradition if it doesn’t know which country the wanted person has gone to.

  11. We have a growing number of Britons who want revenge (against Britain) for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

    Just because the treasonous infidels of the Home Office give these people and there predecessors “British” passports, that doesn’t make them “Britons” any more than a mouse born in a barn is a horse.

  12. We have a growing number of Britons who want revenge (against Britain) for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Did anyone see that coming?

    Since the 1990’s. Al Beebra used to make a point of showing us primary schools in London with nary a white face, predictive programming innit.

    Racial humiliation is part of the kink.

  13. John Galt

    That is fascinating thank you for those links. Although I am a bit sceptical of the “thousands” of paedophiles claims in the Jerusalem Post, I wonder what the staistical comparison would be with other Western nations, or indeed how much of a haven is it comparec to Indo China or Philippines.

    In Russia of course it is constitutionally impossible to extradite a citizen as Wiltshire Cinstbulary have discovered.

  14. Steve,

    I have a very bad feeling about what’s going to happen during next weekends Remembrance Day ceremonies while plod looks the other way. The bastards have already got away once with draping their flags and posters over the Cenotaph.

    On that subject Sir Mark Rowley, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, is “deeply concerned” about the impact policing the protests is having on his force.

  15. Otto – I wouldn’t be surprised at thousands of pedos in Israel.

    We have hundreds of thousands here. The internet has created and emboldened an entire new generation of pedos, everywhere in the world that has internet access.

    Them pedos really are out there, wanking in the bushes, and occasionally serving as Foreign Secretary.

    Bush lions. The last word these people should hear is “meow?”

  16. John – I have a GOOD feeling.

    We should always prefer action to inaction, the steak over the sizzle, the illuminative electric spark over fiddling in the dark.

    The British government swears blind that Diversity is our Greatest Strength, so let’s put that to the test.

    God wills it.

  17. Although I am a bit sceptical of the “thousands” of paedophiles claims in the Jerusalem Post, I wonder what the statistical comparison would be with other Western nations, or indeed how much of a haven is it compared to Indo China or Philippines.

    How many is too many, though? Thousands in a small country like Israel sounds like a lot, but how many were involved in the UK’s Muslim Pedophile rings that are still being prosecuted, thanks to our lily-livered police who are reluctant to arrest people who might call them “Racists”.

    Equally, given the whole Islamic belief that to live the life of Mohammed is to live the perfect life, doesn’t quite square with his molesting a 6 year old “wife”. So hardly surprising that a lot of pedophile behaviour gets a pass in the Islamic world, both old men marrying young girls and a lot of the boy-on-boy action that goes on disguised as “cultural practice” like Bacha bazi.

    Photos, video, and testimony suggest that the Taliban are sexually exploiting young boys

  18. “Obviously any decent person would ask/expect them to make this an exception to the “citizenship for all Jews”mantra.”

    Maybe I’m not a decent person, but I don’t see this. Providing a right of return for all Jews is the whole point of the country existing. If they made it everyone except certain categories of offenders (and why stop with those offences, other countries don’t?) then you’d potentially end up with countries sabotaging their refuseniks by ensuring they get given convictions for things that end their migration chances at the Israeli end. Countries like the UK will go so far as to remove pre-existing UK citizenship from some people (provided they have some other claim to citizenship to fall back on) for certain offences, so I’m not saying it couldn’t be done. But it does go against the raison d’etre of the Israeli state – we don’t claim to be the eternal safe haven for everyone of British ancestry.

    I also don’t think it makes sense to compare Israel’s stance to, say, cover-ups in the Catholic Church, because this isn’t the workings of an institutional religion trying to cover its own backside and that of its clergy. The state itself is secular (maybe not forever if demographics keep trending as they are) and the right of return isn’t reserved for the religious (it’s about Jews as an ethnic group, because the Nazis didn’t care if you were practising or not).

    Now obviously you’d hope Israel would take measures to prevent the right of return being a get out of free card for some very nasty people – on a similar note, a large French criminal organisation involved with carbon-trading scams fled to Israel and started running a major binary options trading scam that I’m sure you’ve all seen online ads for if you don’t use an ad-blocker. I can understand reluctance to extradite given the history of Jews being persecuted even in supposedly western and developed countries – if you look at the history, that’s been subject to hot dispute in Israel since the 1950s. But for the sake of their own society, or their international reputation, they could do without becoming seen as a safe haven for criminals. The big fraud case strained relations with France, the refusal to extradite the murderer Samuel Sheinbein caused a major row with the US in the late nineties.

    Sheinbein’s an interesting case – a minor who committed murder in Marland before fleeing to Israel, but not a right of return case in the traditional sense, as he claimed Israeli citizenship through his father. In the end, Sheinbein was imprisoned in Israel for the crime, though I don’t believe Maryland recognised the sentence and would have made him stand trial again if he had ever been returned to the US. So Sheinbein became a drain on Israeli rather than Maryland taxpayers, and in 2014 died in a prison shootout he had instigated. Israel did change its extradition law to make it easier to extradite people without residential connection to Israel following the Sheinbein row, and also signed a deal making extradition to the US easier, but in practice it hasn’t been smooth to apply.

  19. I also don’t think it makes sense to compare Israel’s stance to, say, cover-ups in the Catholic Church

    I think it does.

    There’s nothing unique about pedo priests, we know there are also plenty of pedo teachers, doctors, car mechanics, and MPs.

    There’s also nothing unique about institutions telling raped children to shut up for the sake of Diversity, the Church, what’s Good for the Jews, Ted Heath was a lovely man whatever.

    Judge people based on what they do, or fail to do. Seems reasonable to me. Instead of making excuses for pedophiles, I dream of a day when people of every colour, creed and nationality join hands to euthanise the pedos.

  20. @Steve

    I’m not arguing about the ubiquity. But the Catholic Church cover-ups were protecting clergy and other workers (teachers at Catholic schools etc) who were supposed to be fulfilling the organisation’s religious functions. The Church wasn’t trying to cover up the wrongdoings of everyone who was Catholic (or had a Catholic grandparent so were sort of hereditary Catholics – a “Catholic atheist” in the NI parlance), regardless of whether that person was religious, and regardless of what realm of life that person worked in.

    The historic Israeli reticence to support prosecutors and judicial authorities overseas produces a much more universal protection. You might argue that’s even worse, but I don’t it resembles an organised religious conspiracy, orchestrated by senior religious leadership, so much as a historically persecuted community with an impulse to close ranks. And again, this isn’t something uncontroversial in Israel – if you look at the history, extradition has been contested fiercely since the fifties, with the extradition laws getting changed back and forth over the decades.

  21. Anon

    You do have a point about the cost of all the scum who flee to Israel then becoming a burden on the Israelis. After all, stripping Shamima Begum of her citizenship meant the Syrians then had to deal with her.

    I’d argue that a sensible approach would be for anyone who fled to Israel to be stripped of their citizenship, all their possessions in their home country to be confiscated, and any attempt to trade with it be sanctioned. Or they could ‘voluntarily’ turn up for trial.

    If they actually began to turn up and it was necessary to waste time and money on a trial and imprisonment, I’d bet the governments concerned would soon be yearning for the good old days when they could exile them to Israel.

  22. 5 days into the partial blockade of Gaza we’re told that food, water, fuel, medicine are all running dangerously low e.g.
    Yet 24 days further on the story seems to be that food, water, fuel, medicine are all running dangerously low. For sure, lots of deaths from bombed buildings collapsing, but I’m yet to read about deaths from the basics running out.
    What am I missing? Even the Scottish Prime Minister said on 16th Oct that his in-laws were on the brink, about to run out of food and water, but they look all right in today’s pictures. Was the Scottish guy lying or had he been lied to and believed it. Can’t make sense of this.

  23. Alas Bongo we are in a similarsituation to the Ukraine war.

    Everythimg that Hamas, BBC or the UN or related NGOs say is a lie. Automatically not to be believed.

    As for the Israeli govt… Well who knows ? I’m more inclined to believe them but not without some scepticism.

  24. I share your scepticism Bongo.

    Still, this war is the problem of Israel and Hamas. They have to sort it out. I have no responsibilities to any of the parties involved.

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