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Can you say “Protect our jobs!”?

Patient safety at risk as pharmacists replace GPs, doctors warn
Family doctors say mistakes are being made by less qualified staff who diagnose and treat patients with conditions they are not trained in

12 thoughts on “Can you say “Protect our jobs!”?”

  1. Family doctors say

    When they want more money, GP’s are “family doctors”.

    For all other purposes, you the patient can fuck off and die as far as these lazy charlatans are concerned because you could get an audience with the Pope as easily as a GP surgery appointment.

  2. “In one example, a physician associate saw an infant who two weeks after the start of a “viral infection” had not improved at all. They were given an antibiotic, amoxicillin, along with “self-help” advice and instructions to come back if it did not improve.
    A separate case saw a pharmacist prescribe a woman with a suspected fungal infection a suite of five different medications.
    A doctor said: “This was a very badly managed case by a pharmacist doing the job of a GP. One prescription would have sufficed.””

    I’ve had GPs do this to me and my family multiple times. “Try this” and if it doesn’t work you come back until it does. I even had a GP suggest something that had been tried and failed with the words “it might work this time”.

    What GPs do could be replaced by someone trained in months. It’s level 1 stuff, mostly. Anything tricky, they just refer you to a specialist. I only go to see a GP to get the drugs I can’t buy over the counter, or to get a referral. None of them add any value beyond that.

    Note: they can’t produce any numbers showing any ill effect of any of this. Scotland has had pharmacists doing antibiotics for years, and the trial was no worse than GPs doing it.

  3. “Family doctors say mistakes are being made by less qualified staff who diagnose and treat patients with conditions they are not trained in”

    Yes, GPs want those mistakes to be made by fully trained staff………….OK Mr Smith I know we didn’t spot your cancer but at least we went to medical school first!

  4. Like all utterances by public workers, its absolute bollocks. My previous GP was really keen on recruiting “practice nurses” who had been on a week’s course on elfnsafety and were then used to give the GPs days off or obviate the need to hire locums.
    Utterly useless arsewipes who would merrily prescribe drugs they couldn’t pronounce having covertly googled your symptoms.
    As ever with GPs the Hippocratic oath has been replaced by the Midas Prayer…
    “First do no work.”

  5. On the other hand there is no requirement for GPs to have up to date knowledge, whereas pharmacists on have requirements to remain registered as do senior and specialist nurses. I trust my specialist nurse and pharmacist a damn sight more than my GP who functions as a bureaucratic hurdle to actual care and fails in the only requirement left to get me an overview of my care. And yes I am bitter about being given a prescription incompatible with my situation that rendered me a zombie for the last few months that my nurse tells me will take 3 months to recover from.

  6. Tangentially related, but why does a pharmacist take twenty minutes to pick a box of pills off the shelf, stick a label on it, and hand it over to you?

  7. Everything they do is abbout preventing access to proper care. The pharmacist however good has no access to your notes, so is not proper care. Those nurse practitioners are sticking to a script or a prescribed decision tree, so that isn’t proper care either. NHS delenda est, pretty much.

  8. The USA gets by perfectly well with in-store pharmacists doing much of the basic diagnostic and prescriptive work which over here can only be entrusted to GPs. However, unlike the pharmacists, the overwhelmingly female GPs are generally not predisposed to work more than 3 days a week.

  9. . . . my GP who functions as a bureaucratic hurdle to actual care . . .

    This is their primary function; to be gatekeepers to fob us off and keep us out. The GP contracts are with the NHS, not with us.

  10. My wife worked as a nurse in ICU which is specialist (though for the purpose of NHS pay bands is not considered specialist) and said she couldn’t even count the number of times she had to take a doctor aside to ask if they were really sure about what they just decided/said. I saw this in person when on a trip to A&E the doctor wanted to send me home until my wife and the A&E nurse had a chat with him and suggested he call in the senior, who promptly admitted me for surgery the next day.
    Frankly when it comes to specialist areas I trust the nurses more than the doctors as they are in the thick of it day to day.

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