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Even gets the Constitution wrong

Re Rwanda:

The Law Lords and the Courts will be vilified.

What Law Lords? Now it’s not the House of Lords as the higest appeal court then experienced judges do not have to be appoointed to hte House of Lords to sit on the top court.

21 thoughts on “Even gets the Constitution wrong”

  1. It’s a real masterpiece

    In amongst the political meltdown of yesterday, one thing became apparent, and that is that the Tories are using populism as their weapon of choice.

    Of course – far better to ignore people you disagree with and simply override their wishes by unelected judicial fiat

    The Law Lords and the Courts will be vilified. No doubt we will be hearing much about ‘enemies of the people’. That is a direct threat to the rule of law in this country.

    Whereas allowing a City the size of Newcastle to come in illegally and reside here indefinitely is guaranteed and criminalising those who suggest it might be slightly problematic is bound to increase popular respect for the law

    Then he suggested a new law would deem Rwanda to be a safe country, regardless of the evidence, meaning that the Court could no longer consider the issue. And third, he said a review of international obligations would be undertaken to prevent the Courts from considering them as well. These will be the so-called ‘notwithstanding’ clauses that Suella Braverman demanded before she was sacked. That we might be forced out of the European Court of Human Rights and that the Good Friday Agreement might collapse as collateral damage from that appears a matter of no concern to him.

    I’d imagine the crime rate in Rwanda is lower than much of the UK. I think a majority of the population would find the notion that rapists here illegally can appeal to a foreign body to prevent deportation is not something they agree with. As for the Good Friday agreement the main threat to that is posed by the EU which he is so desperate to rejoin

    All of this is populism – which is the gateway drug for fascism – gone mad.

    I think the Nazis would sue for defamation if Sunak’s rabble tried to claim association. Far better to have an unelected body in Davos or wherever mandate what we can eat, use to heat our homes or how far we are allowed to travel or mandate digital currency.

    The man is a grade E cretin, and yet he still gets billing in the publicly funded media – why?

  2. @VP “The man is a grade E cretin, and yet he still gets billing in the publicly funded media – why?” you know why – they hold the same views as the potato.

  3. “In amongst the political meltdown of yesterday, one thing became apparent, and that is that the Tories are using populism as their weapon of choice.”

    Yeah, that’s why they sacked Suella Braverman and put David bleedin’ Cameron in the Cabinet.

    The argument might be faintly plausible (I mean, Sunak obviously hopes it is) if it weren’t for everything else they’re doing being about as popular as a dog turd.

  4. Ottokring – *Satanic paedophiles, I reckon.

    Ickey was on to something.

    VP – Whereas allowing a City the size of Newcastle to come in illegally and reside here indefinitely is guaranteed and criminalising those who suggest it might be slightly problematic is bound to increase popular respect for the law

    Yarp.

    It’s like the “culture war”.

    London has been turned into an open air toilet full of Hamas supporters and the telly is doing its best to persuade your children they’re racist scum who should try out tranny hormones and miscegenation, but if you mention any of this you’re one of those awful far-Right “culture warriors”.

    Sam – the stubbornness of their refusal to do anything – literally anything – popular should be a bigger story than it is.

    Because it’s the precise opposite of how democracy works. We keep pulling levers, but nothing happens because the machinery behind them has been sabotaged. Imagine a private business that delighted in giving you everything you didn’t want. They wouldn’t live long.

  5. There’s a refugee Hamas organiser with a British passport living in a council house in Barnet.
    Maybe under international law we have an obligation to protect him (and his family, under the right to family reunion) but where in law are we obliged to give these people citizenship?

  6. @philip
    Barnet? Isn’t that a predominantly Jewish neighbourhood?
    There’s also a former Iranian PM living in Harrow. The one who got the Ayatollah to issue the fatwa against Salman Rushdie. Why are they here and why do we offer them succour?

  7. I’m hoping the Mossad could start considering certain elements within the UK and US hostile and potentially engineer a few explosions – would be good to see the back of AOC or Jess Phillips in some kind of ‘accident’ for sure.

    Henry Crun

    I think as Steve has often identified it’s basically rubbing your nose in the fact that they can offer such people succour and if you object to it you’ll be designated a racist and removed from polite society. Indeed his points relating to shadowbanning and other aspects of big tech behaviour are spot on. A few ‘Conservatives’ are angrily pointing out the total inadequacy of the Biden administration yet the Dems have won every election since 2020 despite being the first administration (Well you could argue Obama and some would say its his third term) openly under the control of hostile powers and the least competent administration in the history of the Republic. If you think 2020 was bad I’ve got a Bachman Turner Overdrive song, the title of which gives a preview of what 2024 will bring.

    Not sure what the solution is to be honest. Evil can and does win and its certainly in the ascendancy across the West.

  8. I’m hoping the Mossad could start considering certain elements within the UK and US hostile and potentially engineer a few explosions – would be good to see the back of AOC or Jess Phillips in some kind of ‘accident’ for sure.

    Why do you want foreign governments killing our citizens, our elected politicians, in our country for their own interests? Are you a traitor? Or just mad?

  9. “Why do you want foreign governments killing our citizens, our elected politicians, in our country for their own interests?”
    Because there’s no one in your country willing to do it for you. No bottle.

  10. PJF

    So you feel that open support of Hamas, a genocidal organization which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel should not merit any consideration as to whether such people are fit to hold elected office?

    Of course to a certain extent I’m playing to the gallery here, (I’m well aware of the implications of allowing a foreign agency to do that – although am guessing you would be less fussed about Ukrainian intelligence doing over some oligarchs, right?)

    I do have a question for you – do you consider support of Hamas to be akin to treason?

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    Since the USA, under St Barak of Obama, took out Bin Laden in Pakistan and bragged about it taking out opponents on foreign soil is on the increase. Russia being a prime example but India has just got in on the act and there’s always rumours about other smaller countries.

    Israel has never shied away from it and has gained something of a reputation for its enemies having untimely deaths and if Mossad hasn’t already put a team together to go after the 7/10 terrorists and Hamas leadership it won’t be long. Expect to see some mysterious accidents and blatant assassinations in the coming years. There’s going to be nowhere for the Hamas leadership to hide.

    Do I want them carrying out those assassinations on British soil? No, but on the other hand I don’t want those Hamas and other terrorists on British soil in the first place and if they aren’t deported I won’t be losing any sleep if they start having mysterious accidents.

  12. Maybe I’ve a different interpretation of “law” to others here, but as far as I’m concerned it’s primary purpose now & always has been to keep those in power in power. Sure it can deliver “justice”. Delivering a sort of justice is part of what keeps the powerful in power. But it’s solely a by-product. You certainly aren’t going to get justice when the justice might threaten the powerful.

  13. So you feel that . . .

    Did Cathy Newman retire or something? Nice try to put words in my mouth and change the subject to something that isn’t real.

    Jess Philips (I suspect AOC also) has not given open support of Hamas. To do so is a serious crime and at the very least she isn’t stupid enough to trip over that. See also similarly worthless cunts like Corbyn and Galloway. As to my fellow citizens having general support, in peacetime, for non-proscribed foreign entities or states that are aligned against countries that are our allies, then it’s something I bear with a frustrated patience that I hope would be forwarded to me.

    I’m well aware of the implications of allowing a foreign agency to do that . . .

    Then why express hope for it and say it would be good “for sure”. The gallery here is pretty wide ranging but I think most would “feel” it is up to us to fight our own political battles and that it would be an act of war to have a foreign power settle them violently for their interests, not ours.

    – guessing you would be less fussed about Ukrainian intelligence doing over some oligarchs, right?

    Assuming you mean Russian “oligarchs” then, strictly and technically speaking, I am less fussed about about foreign killing foreign than killing us, yes. But be they allied Jews or Slavs, they can still fuck off and do it somewhere else. If they do it here, I’m quite happy for our intelligence services to just off ’em.

    – do you consider support of Hamas to be akin to treason?

    I don’t think things should be considered “akin” to treason. I think treason should be a very clearly defined crime that is punishable by death. Support for Hamas (a proscribed terror organisation) doesn’t currently fit the bill. If Hamas starts attacks here or against British interests overseas, then I would back our government charging domestic supporters with treason.

    But if you’re referring to emotional keyboard bashing and general shit talking (as opposed to thinking and considering), then there’s a lot I would feel is “akin to treason” and shout “shoot the bastards” with the best of them. I shall, with frustrated patience, conclude that that must have been at the heart of your comment.

  14. Well I’m probably not the new Jordan Peterson but to reply to PJF

    Jess Philips (I suspect AOC also) has not given open support of Hamas. To do so is a serious crime and at the very least she isn’t stupid enough to trip over that. See also similarly worthless cunts like Corbyn and Galloway. As to my fellow citizens having general support, in peacetime, for non-proscribed foreign entities or states that are aligned against countries that are our allies, then it’s something I bear with a frustrated patience that I hope would be forwarded to me.

    Corbyn and Galloway openly support Hamas and have said so on several occasions – I would agree with your assessment of them as worthless cunts naturally.

    Anyone marching for ‘peace’ on Saturday supports Hamas – by calling for a ceasefire that will enable them to regroup they are implicitly condoning what happened on 7th October. So of course there’ll be weasel words about ‘being in favour of peace’ and so on but they are Hamas supporters.

    As for hoping they will extend you courtesy and tolerance, at least on Twitter/ X both These people show very little Tolerance for any political opponents – they are massive proponents of cancel culture who posit severe restrictions on freedom of speech for those who disagree with them.

    The gallery here is pretty wide ranging but I think most would “feel” it is up to us to fight our own political battles and that it would be an act of war to have a foreign power settle them violently for their interests, not ours. !

    I’d feel that way if we didn’t have effectively an occupying government under the control of people other than those who elected it. If this disgrace of a government is unable to not equivocate and squarely choose the side that will at least allow peaceful co-existence then what choice are you left with but to wish all power to Israel’s swords. They seem to be doing a great job and frankly I’d far rather our military aid was going in their direction than Ukraine’s.

    I don’t think things should be considered “akin” to treason. I think treason should be a very clearly defined crime that is punishable by death. Support for Hamas (a proscribed terror organisation) doesn’t currently fit the bill. If Hamas starts attacks here or against British interests overseas, then I would back our government charging domestic supporters with treason.

    Legally and technically you are correct of course. Nevertheless, As Israel says, Hamas is in effect another branch of the Muslim murder machine like ISIS. Would you have sought peace with Nazi Germany back in the 30s? Appeasement was an error then and it’s similar now.

    I do appreciate that even more so than with the Russian war there are massive geopolitical considerations that make fence sitting a very plausible option but in a comparison between the Nazis and Hamas it’s the former who come out more favourably. They (Hamas) are the Common enemy of all Mankind and should be treated as such- culled without mercy, as I believe the IDF and other branches of the Israeli state are trying to do.

  15. My mum was 16 when WW2 kicked off. To the day she died (1997), she hated the Germans for the war in general and the blitz in particular, so don’t expect the Jews to consider appeasement while their dead are not yet cold. The only way this will finish is when Israel finish Hamas (Iran?). Perhaps those calling for the liberation of palestine from Israel should rather support the Is ra eelies in liberating palestine from hamas .

  16. Addolff

    There’s a an excellent article in the Telegraph by the great Douglas Murray today that points out Jess Phillips is basically the equivalent of Oswald Mosley – alongside anyone else calling for a ceasefire. The fact we have millions of fifth columnists, although expected is nevertheless shocking. A busy few years ahead for Mossad I think!!

  17. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ Perhaps those calling for the liberation of palestine from Israel should rather support the Is ra eelies in liberating palestine from hamas .”

    To the extent we can trust polls carried out in places like Gaza we should assume that a plurality of Palestinians still support Hamas. The last poll I saw was 68% IIRC.

    And even if they don’t enthusiastically support Hamas and its methods that doesn’t mean they don’t want the annihilation of Israel.

  18. BiND,

    Any sort of terrorist/freedom fighting organisation depends on local support. You need people who don’t rat on you if they see you bringing bags of weedkiller and guns into your garage. You need people who will raise money for the cause.

    The difference between Hamas and say, the IRA is that the communities that supported the IRA really disapproved of killing uninvolved people. Politicians, military were fine, but killing regular people was not. It was counterproductive to their cause to do it.

    A lot of Western people really don’t get this. They project liberal, developed values onto people who are very strongly tribal. They think more like how Europe did 500 years ago.

  19. Well I’m probably not the new Jordan Peterson . . .

    Lol, that’s for sure. For one thing the good doctor would recognise an ego defence mechanism when he saw one.

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