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It’s a democracy, even the stupid have their say

The cleverer people are, the more likely they were to vote to stay in the European Union, a study has found.

Among those Britons in the top 10 per cent by a measure of cognitive performance, 73 per cent voted remain in 2016. Among those in the bottom 10 per cent, only 40 per cent did.

Let’s say it’s all entirely correct.

OK. We’re a democracy. Which means that even the stupid have the vote. Also, the majority wins. If this weren’t true there would be no Lib Dem MPs now, would there?

47 thoughts on “It’s a democracy, even the stupid have their say”

  1. Would be interested in how they define the “top 10 per cent by a measure of cognitive performance” – tried to look but can’t be dealing with their JS junk to view it…

    Being unfair, I’d expect them to say that 100% of people who voted for brexit are dumb because the fact they voted for it….

  2. “ He said there was evidence that misinformation had played a role in the Brexit vote, and that cognitive ability was one factor determining whether people could spot fake news.”
    Really? Remain spent a fuck ton more than leave, the media was a relentless tide of remain propaganda and social media censored leave messages. But it was the thickos falling for fake news that swung it.

  3. To echo BiC, who’s providing the metric for that 10%? The 10%?
    Oh look! The University of Bath. Still, makes a change from the universities of the Toilet.

  4. To succeed in education you need to be intelligent but you also need to accept the official line on everything.
    After sixteen years being told that the EU is wonderful, and global warming is a threat and that anyone who says otherwise is thick it’s no surprise that the highly educated believe what they have been taught.

  5. Cleverer at what? I’ve never met anybody who is clever at absolutely everything. When my niece was doing her postdoc research she was probably one of a couple of dozen people on the planet who had any inkling of what was going on in her field. It still took a visit from me to sort out her plumbing though.

  6. Let me guess – owning a university degree is their ‘evidence’ of intelligence? As a counterpoint I’d like to point out that one of our former Prime Ministers is in possession of a degree from one of the most prestigious universities in the country, and indeed the world, but was (according to Patrick Vallance) utterly unable to understand simple statistics. Then there was that little skit on Twitter the other day where they took 5 young people, asked them to rank each other in degree of intelligence, and the Marine was placed last, and a woman with a degree and Master was placed top. They then gave them all an IQ test, and lo and behold the ‘smart’ woman was placed last and the Marine in the middle.

    If anything I’d say that possession of any non STEM degree obtained within the last 25 years is a mark that you are at best a gullible fool, and at worst a gibbering idiot.

  7. What I notice about all these hit pieces on Brexit, is that none, not a single gripe, goes to the crux of the problem; the utter shower of Shite that runs the place.

    Failed, corrupt, incompetent politicians rejected by their own countries and then appointed. The arrogance and disregard for their electorates needs and wants. The Potemkin Central Bank that funds the place, run by a lawyer and convicted fraudster.

    It is all, “the border wait in Cannes is longer, I can’t get strawberries in winter, Tarquin can’t join Erasmus and Indigo Rumbelow can’t get a tax payer subsidized rail pass.”

    No wonder the top 10% voted remain.

  8. And still, 7+ years on, they try to blame the vote on anything other than a genuine dislike of the EU, its policies and its personnel.

  9. Ten territories in Europe which never had post-war communism nor EU membership. I keep asking any Remainers to name one which is worse off than its nearest EU neighbour. Crickets.
    Ah, but we’re different, we’re a big country that should have soft power, is the best answer. Meaning we buy it. Well we had a vote on it, and two GEs, and the Supreme Court voted Parliament should decide, and Parliament decided to leave.

  10. a study has found.

    105-120 IQ midwits love their “studies” and their dead, gay political unions.

    Basically, midwits are the human equivalent of pop up permissions for cookies. They’re everywhere and perform no useful function. But they’re unaware of their own insipidity, because they’re midwits rocking those tiny little Honda Civic brains.

  11. Failed, corrupt, incompetent politicians rejected by their own countries and then appointed. The arrogance and disregard for their electorates needs and wants. The Potemkin Central Bank that funds the place, run by a lawyer and convicted fraudster.

    Don’t forget our own contributions to the EU. We sent the Kinnock’s there (both of them for some unknown reason) and they made a fortune. We also sent Peter Mandelson there, so we used it as a dumping ground for the incompetent and the decidedly dodgy as well, so why wouldn’t other EU members. One way of getting rid of troublesome “tent pissers in”.

    So now we’re back to filtering our incompetents through the House of Lords a la David Cameron, Lord of Snooty-on-the-Wold.

    Meh, lions for the lot of them.

  12. Could it be that this intellectual elite are projecting their own abilities and talents on to those running the EU and believe that their sort would/should achieve the success they desire ? This does make one wonder if this intellectual elite have ever met any politicians or civil servants?

    Intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing. Maybe these elites should listen less to Dr Pangloss and more to Professor Hayek.

    Factio Conservativa delenda est

  13. Jim – if you’ve been following Hallett and the analysis of how the “experts” behaved like weather-cocks in a gale, then Bojo’s scepticism and libertarian instincts look rather nore justifiable than otherwise. If you think the graphs of doom and the opus of Prof Ferguson represent “simple” statistics then I assume that you never had cattle.

    It’s a pity how an authoritative STEM expert can use the word “bamboozled” which the OED defines as “Deceived or mystified by trickery, hoaxed” which is far closer to the truth than he probabled intended.

  14. Bloke in Cornwall,

    I would bet good money it’s what level of education people achieved. Anything beyond that would be too complicated. The problem with that is both what school measures well, and also that a lot of kids (rightfully) think that a lot of formal education is a waste of time.

    Like you have people writing in the fucking Guardian about international trade. The house paper of the state employees. And sure, they might be able to read some paper written by civil servants about it but again, these people don’t know jack shit about the reality of international trade, either.

    The only people from trade who supported remain were state dependants who want protection like farmers and the car industry.

  15. Could it be that this intellectual elite are

    fucking retards who can no longer give you a straight answer to the question “what is a woman?”

    The answer may surprise you.

  16. If anything I’d say that possession of any non STEM degree obtained within the last 25 years is a mark that you are at best a gullible fool, and at worst a gibbering idiot.
    Education is just a tool. Depends what it fits. Even with a STEM subject, then depends what you do with it.
    It’s pretty obvious from the Brexit enquiry that those highly polished tools like Whitty et al were totally useless for the job in hand.

  17. I don’t care how clever you think you are, giving a crowd of unelected smart-alecks the sole power to propose legislation is a bad idea. A continental empire with an expansionist regulatory brief is a bad idea. Letting it build a military command structure is a bad idea. Protectionism and mercantilism have always been bad ideas.

    I sneeze in threes: That’s pretty much exactly what it is. The entire M.O. of the European Project is to flatter the egos of the administrative and political classes and to hell with everyone else. “It’s far too complicated for you to understand. Just let the Smart People get on with it and go back to your telly and football.” And they wonder why the people they don’t consider “smart” have turned against them.

  18. I’d love to hear from the 27% of alleged eggheads who voted Leave, by the way. I mean, it’s bloody close to 1-in-3. But they don’t count, do they?

  19. Are these the cleverer people who swallow the climate change crap, don’t know how an electricity grid works, believed the Covid lies, believe that a microscopic amount of plastic in the oceans will destroy marine life, and don’t understand the EU is a protectionist Customs Union invented by bureaucrats from the wartime administrations in Vichy France, National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy, thus a Fascist project to benefit producers and politicians at the expense of consumers and impose a centrally-ruled State in place of independent Nations …. for example?

  20. We sent the Kinnock’s there (both of them for some unknown reason) and they made a fortune. We also sent Peter Mandelson there,

    … who also made a fortune. Can anyone else see a pattern forming?

    When mandelscum first had to resign in disgrace from the government, it’s because he lied on his mortgage form about not receiving any other loans to pay for the house. He didn’t have a pot to piss in, so a multi-millionaire socialist lent him the deposit.

    A couple of years later and he’s had to resign in disgrace again for selling passports to dodgy Indians. He gets shipped off to the eu for a few years, and on his return he puts down several million in cash for a Herefordshire mansion. He must have lived incredibly frugally to save up his salary so quickly!

  21. He gets shipped off to the eu for a few years, and on his return he puts down several million in cash for a Herefordshire mansion.

    Boys Beware!

  22. Bloke in North Dorset

    Among those Britons in the top 10 per cent by a measure of cognitive performance, 73 per cent voted remain in 2016.

    Maybe the 27% were better at making the case to Leave? Just a thought, but maybe they found it easier because the didn’t refer to those thinking about voting Leave as thick, racist, bigots?

    Well we had a vote on it, and two GEs, and the Supreme Court voted Parliament should decide, and Parliament decided to leave.

    Indeed, Bongo.

    And it means that all the Remainers need to do is get elected and they can re-join whenever they like, they don’t even have to go through the hassle of a referendum.

  23. @JohnGalt;

    Talking of “Tent Pissers” let’s not forget the heavyweight monstrosity called Catherine Aston appointed Foreign Minister. Her only claim to democracy and competence was having pissed in tents at Greenham Common for a few years.

  24. “The only people from trade who supported remain were state dependants who want protection like farmers and the car industry.”

    I think you’ll find that a lot of farmers voted Leave., maybe even the majority. Don’t put us all in with the corduroy trousered brigade at the NFU who were Remainers to a man (and woman), and who are despised by real farmers everywhere.

  25. of course “Cathy” Ashton is Mrs Peter Kellner, pollster to the gentry.

    Actually a really good example of an overeducated midwit, who – alongside Killary – had rings run around her by the Iranians

  26. Beware of modern STEM graduates too. The quality has gone downhill.

    We hire them occasionally. Fucking useless the vast majority of them. Spent 3 or 4 years doing electrical engineering and can’t point to a relay in a cabinet and don’t know how to change 3 phase wiring to spin a motor the other way.
    Mechanical engineers who don’t know when thread locker is necessary or why it can’t be used as a gasket sealant. Hilarious until you spend two hours swapping out a pump only for coolant to spray everywhere when you turn it on…

    The rot started a long time ago. Wasn’t too bad when I was there, but there was still a module on ethics in engineering. FFS

  27. Also, maybe the top 10 percent think its a good idea to stay in because membership is good for them personally – and they don’t care about anyone else. Something that doesn’t seem to have been considered is that these people may not have ‘the good of society’ in mind when they choose their preferred policies.

    Maybe membership is really bad for the 90%. And if its bad, not even idiots are idiots for not wanting things that are bad for them.

  28. The last time I did an IQ test – admittedly a long time ago – I was in the high 130s. I voted leave. I voted leave precisely because I’m intelligent enough to recognise how shit the EU is. As opposed to having a university degree and having it all educated out of me.

  29. At one time I was considered bright, not brilliant, just bright, but bright enough to be have been in the top 50% of the top 10% in cognitive abilities. I fully supported Brexit and fail to see why the collective known as the European Union provides any advantages that outweigh the disadvantages. And ask yourself, can those in the upper 10% use a screwdriver?

  30. “But bright enough to be have been in the top 50% of the top 10% in cognitive abilities. ”

    We peasants call that the top 5%………

  31. It seems that “willful” is a recognised spelling in the USA. Who knew! But then again they think you put “tires” on a vehicle

  32. The cleverer people are, the more likely they were to vote to stay in the European Union, a study has found.

    Among those Britons in the top 10 per cent by a measure of cognitive performance, 73 per cent voted remain

    Can we see preceding leading “shame on you” questions?

    My brother and I are in top 2% and voted Leave. As did everyone in extended family and most friends

    Imo a policy based evidence making ‘survey’. Or, as Eugyppius describes it, the Mid Wit [peer pressure] tendency

    @steve, TMB, John B, Jim
    +1

    @Longrider, November 23, 2023 at 7:28 pm

    Same here

  33. Longrider,

    Gas is short for gasoline. So we put gas in the gas tank. We don’t have petrol tanks in our vehicles. Well, except for vehicles with diesel engines.

  34. As I pointed out to someone recently the fact that Remain ran a poor campaign isn’t the fault of Leave. The same people who wanted to overturn the Brexit vote also are shocked at Trumps claims the election was stolen and should be overturned

  35. Chris,

    Proof that distance matters. Put me in a room with a Frenchman, whose English is as bad as mine, and typically I might have more in common culturally than with a north American, whose English will be even worse but which isn’t the point…

  36. @ Chris in Texas
    Smug Brits always overlook that their own “petrol” is short for petroleum spirit. What it was originally marketed as. The spirit part being important. Petroleum’s crude oil.
    But then you can’t get more ignorant than an educated Brit.

  37. “Diogenes
    November 23, 2023 at 8:50 pm
    It seems that “willful” is a recognised spelling in the USA. Who knew! But then again they think you put “tires” on a vehicle”

    We also park in the driveway.

  38. Steve
    Your “midwits” are 95-115 IQ and mostly female. Men are over-represented in the tails of the IQ bell curve. At IQ 125, men outnumber women by 3 to 1; at 170, by 30 to 1. And at IQ 60, men outnumber women in similar proportions.

  39. I voted “leave” because I believed that we couldn’t reform the EU from the inside.

    Our own politicians and civil serpents do not have our best interests at heart.

    Whilst we were in the EU, any and all attempts to manoevre the ship of state to actually represent the interests of the electorate were met with stonewalling.

    The EU and supra-national laws and treaties (eg. ECHR) were always the go-to excuse for why we couldn’t have what we wanted.

    One of the few ways to strip away that defence (for the ordinary punter) was to vote for Brexit.

  40. The reality is that after decades of growth in the regulation and administration ‘industries’ due to the EU, a disproportionate number of degree level white collar jobs were partially or wholly dependent on the recycling of taxpayer money into the industry via the EU ‘grant’ system. Their self interest had become so overwhelming that they literally could not comprehend how anyone might have a different set of incentives.

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