Well, a chap didn’t go to all the bother of having himself snapped (as in taken a picture of) with his cock in a pig’s mouth just to rule over a tiny island like Britain…
Its just Bromide to keep the left of the Conservative Party, aka the Blairites, and their voters happy. They’ve given up on the only strategy that might have given them an outside chance in the next GE, going all in on the sort of policies that would please the Red Wall and conservatives and are settling for their base. Whether that gives them enough votes to maintain any semblance of a political party remains to be seen.
Steve
BiND – Whether that gives them enough votes to maintain any semblance of a political party remains to be seen.
Embrace the possibility that our ruling class no longer feels the need to have democratic credibility. That they tired of the “parties” game a while ago, in fact.
KnowhatImeanArry? People are wondering why the Tories don’t want their votes.
I’m wondering why the Tories don’t want us to be alive.
Steve
Sorry for quoting myself but:
That they tired of the “parties” game a while ago, in fact.
What I’m tryna get at here is this:
What do Brexiters, “gammon” (i.e. conservative white men from the middle or working classes), Canadian lorry drivers, antivaxxers, anti-immigration activists, Irish council scheme inhabitants, Trumpies, Bolso supporters, Polish nationalists, Dutch farmers, etc. have in common?
They (We) are not allowed to take part in the political process.
That’s the rule we live under now. Everything they do is permanent and unalterable. Anything you might try to do to change that is illegal and racist.
If this doesn’t sound like much of a political debate, that’s because it isn’t one. If you’re a native Englishman in 2023 who isn’t ashamed of his own phenotype, they want to make you sit in the back of the bus.
So my point is: voting isn’t enough. We do need to get Our Guys in place, but that’s not enough.
PJF
– So my point is: voting isn’t enough. We do need to get Our Guys in place, but that’s not enough.
True, but do you have any suggestions? Sensible suggestions, not Ecksian keyboard lions.
Seriously, not snark.
Rowdy
Think Global, Act Local, I suppose. Stand for town council, school council, National Trust board and so on.
None of which I’ve done, obviously, because I just want to be left alone.
PJF
. . . because I just want to be left alone.
The eternal problem, Rowdy. Individuals who want to be left alone to their hobbies are up against organised groups of those for whom controlling people is their hobby.
Steve
PJF – True, but do you have any suggestions?
Yarp.
They mostly boil down to: try to avoid the same mistakes other people in comparable situations have made and try to emulate examples of success. Boring, but a proven method for doing things more goodly.
There are some decent examples of successful governing in Poland (being tested now obvs, hopefully the PiS won’t be so easily extracted) and Hungary.
Stuff like properly vetting your candidates and hires, understanding what entryists look like and having an institutional plan to deal with them, account mapping the government functions you’re hoping to take over when you win the election, so you understand the key relationships/functions/choke points and where you absolutely must insert trusted officials asap… these things shouldn’t need to be said, but apparently they do.
Any incoming Populist administration should recognise it’s walking into an administrative/legal knife fight, and prepare as best they can.
We can learn a lot from Saul Alinsky.
But to the above, I’d add: De l’audace, encore de l’audace, toujours de l’audace. Our enemies have an endless supply of devilry planned for us, so actively return the favour at every opportunity with a smile. Impose actual, non-symbolic costs on your opposition at every chance. Progressivism is an antisocial mental illness, so let’s tax it.
Chernyy Drakon
Further suggestions
If, like me, you’re not cut out for politics – and most of us either aren’t/don’t want the hassle/there isn’t enough room in the bun fight for all of us anyway – there’s a very simple way to contribute.
Don’t play.
You don’t have to go with what they tell you. Look at the state of the great electric car changeover. 80% of electric vehicle sales are to fleets, who are now coming to renew their fleets and finding residuals are cack. Car dealerships have lots full of electric cars they can’t sell. Ford, GM, VW are cutting back massively on EV production and cancelling projects. Ford lose $38,000 on every electric vehicle they sell (apparently). Nobody wants them. People I talk to who have had an electric car are moving back to ICE and only have them for tax breaks from their companies – but are still moving back.
The government will be forced to cancel the EV mandate because there won’t be anyone manufacturing cars for people to buy.
Same applies to heat pumps. Just keep your boiler ticking over. And hilariously use the government’s own noise rules against it. lol.
PJF
Thank you, Steve.
The big problem I see here (that might not apply in all places) is the public sector unions bringing everything to a grinding halt if their side gets seriously and effectively pushed back. It’s a long time since Maggie, and the left pretty much control the government from top to bottom whilst being regarded as heroes by the bamboozled public. If you want a non-internal conspiracy theory explanation of why the Tories behave as they do in power, it is to avoid that scenario (and any risky battles to overcome it).
bloke in spain
The Tories haven’t actually been in power since the Camoron first woke up in No 10. Elections no longer provide governments that are responsive to the wishes of the electorate. Power rests elsewhere & governments do what they are told. So why anybody thinks it’s possible to democratically change things is a mystery. Learn the lesson of Brexit.
asiaseen
Stuff like properly vetting your candidates and hires
Just like Hong Kong now. The problem is, who gets to do the vetting?
ACronySpic
>PJF
“The big problem I see here (that might not apply in all places) is the public sector unions bringing everything to a grinding halt if their side gets seriously and effectively pushed back.”
You may know of Ben Irvine’s view (expressed in 3 books) that the threat of action by public sector unions, principally the NEU, was responsible for Johnson’s covid lockdown decisions. His argument is that, had the NEU closed schools this would effectively close a large part of the rest of the economy as parents would have to stay at home. Had that happened, BJ would have been shown to be effectively powerless against the unions. Rather than risk being seen as ineffectual, BJ instead imposed lockdowns, maintaining the pretence of being in charge of events.
It seems likely that union pressure was a factor in BJ’s lockdown decisions (although, as with many other covid related issues, the current enquiry seems oddly incurious about this aspect), particularly when considering the abruptness of his “policy” reversals in the days leading up to all three LDs. It’s particularly striking that the decision to impose the final LD seems to have been taken in the space of a few hours on January 3/4 2021, apparently in response to an NEU threat that teachers wouldn’t return to work following the holiday.
PJF
Sounds entirely plausible, ACronySpic, more so than “they just hate us” or “WEF globohomo”.
And it wouldn’t just be the teachers unions. If the elected government had taken punitive action against them then some or all of the rest of the permanent government would have come out in support.
That fun video of Milei chucking the name badges of government departments over his shoulder is just a fun video. He’ll find the reality a lot tougher.
Well, a chap didn’t go to all the bother of having himself snapped (as in taken a picture of) with his cock in a pig’s mouth just to rule over a tiny island like Britain…
Ouch!
What about a referendum on it, Dave?
Its just Bromide to keep the left of the Conservative Party, aka the Blairites, and their voters happy. They’ve given up on the only strategy that might have given them an outside chance in the next GE, going all in on the sort of policies that would please the Red Wall and conservatives and are settling for their base. Whether that gives them enough votes to maintain any semblance of a political party remains to be seen.
BiND – Whether that gives them enough votes to maintain any semblance of a political party remains to be seen.
Embrace the possibility that our ruling class no longer feels the need to have democratic credibility. That they tired of the “parties” game a while ago, in fact.
KnowhatImeanArry? People are wondering why the Tories don’t want their votes.
I’m wondering why the Tories don’t want us to be alive.
Sorry for quoting myself but:
That they tired of the “parties” game a while ago, in fact.
What I’m tryna get at here is this:
What do Brexiters, “gammon” (i.e. conservative white men from the middle or working classes), Canadian lorry drivers, antivaxxers, anti-immigration activists, Irish council scheme inhabitants, Trumpies, Bolso supporters, Polish nationalists, Dutch farmers, etc. have in common?
They (We) are not allowed to take part in the political process.
That’s the rule we live under now. Everything they do is permanent and unalterable. Anything you might try to do to change that is illegal and racist.
If this doesn’t sound like much of a political debate, that’s because it isn’t one. If you’re a native Englishman in 2023 who isn’t ashamed of his own phenotype, they want to make you sit in the back of the bus.
So my point is: voting isn’t enough. We do need to get Our Guys in place, but that’s not enough.
– So my point is: voting isn’t enough. We do need to get Our Guys in place, but that’s not enough.
True, but do you have any suggestions? Sensible suggestions, not Ecksian keyboard lions.
Seriously, not snark.
Think Global, Act Local, I suppose. Stand for town council, school council, National Trust board and so on.
None of which I’ve done, obviously, because I just want to be left alone.
. . . because I just want to be left alone.
The eternal problem, Rowdy. Individuals who want to be left alone to their hobbies are up against organised groups of those for whom controlling people is their hobby.
PJF – True, but do you have any suggestions?
Yarp.
They mostly boil down to: try to avoid the same mistakes other people in comparable situations have made and try to emulate examples of success. Boring, but a proven method for doing things more goodly.
There are some decent examples of successful governing in Poland (being tested now obvs, hopefully the PiS won’t be so easily extracted) and Hungary.
Stuff like properly vetting your candidates and hires, understanding what entryists look like and having an institutional plan to deal with them, account mapping the government functions you’re hoping to take over when you win the election, so you understand the key relationships/functions/choke points and where you absolutely must insert trusted officials asap… these things shouldn’t need to be said, but apparently they do.
Any incoming Populist administration should recognise it’s walking into an administrative/legal knife fight, and prepare as best they can.
We can learn a lot from Saul Alinsky.
But to the above, I’d add: De l’audace, encore de l’audace, toujours de l’audace. Our enemies have an endless supply of devilry planned for us, so actively return the favour at every opportunity with a smile. Impose actual, non-symbolic costs on your opposition at every chance. Progressivism is an antisocial mental illness, so let’s tax it.
Further suggestions
If, like me, you’re not cut out for politics – and most of us either aren’t/don’t want the hassle/there isn’t enough room in the bun fight for all of us anyway – there’s a very simple way to contribute.
Don’t play.
You don’t have to go with what they tell you. Look at the state of the great electric car changeover. 80% of electric vehicle sales are to fleets, who are now coming to renew their fleets and finding residuals are cack. Car dealerships have lots full of electric cars they can’t sell. Ford, GM, VW are cutting back massively on EV production and cancelling projects. Ford lose $38,000 on every electric vehicle they sell (apparently). Nobody wants them. People I talk to who have had an electric car are moving back to ICE and only have them for tax breaks from their companies – but are still moving back.
The government will be forced to cancel the EV mandate because there won’t be anyone manufacturing cars for people to buy.
Same applies to heat pumps. Just keep your boiler ticking over. And hilariously use the government’s own noise rules against it. lol.
Thank you, Steve.
The big problem I see here (that might not apply in all places) is the public sector unions bringing everything to a grinding halt if their side gets seriously and effectively pushed back. It’s a long time since Maggie, and the left pretty much control the government from top to bottom whilst being regarded as heroes by the bamboozled public. If you want a non-internal conspiracy theory explanation of why the Tories behave as they do in power, it is to avoid that scenario (and any risky battles to overcome it).
The Tories haven’t actually been in power since the Camoron first woke up in No 10. Elections no longer provide governments that are responsive to the wishes of the electorate. Power rests elsewhere & governments do what they are told. So why anybody thinks it’s possible to democratically change things is a mystery. Learn the lesson of Brexit.
Stuff like properly vetting your candidates and hires
Just like Hong Kong now. The problem is, who gets to do the vetting?
>PJF
“The big problem I see here (that might not apply in all places) is the public sector unions bringing everything to a grinding halt if their side gets seriously and effectively pushed back.”
You may know of Ben Irvine’s view (expressed in 3 books) that the threat of action by public sector unions, principally the NEU, was responsible for Johnson’s covid lockdown decisions. His argument is that, had the NEU closed schools this would effectively close a large part of the rest of the economy as parents would have to stay at home. Had that happened, BJ would have been shown to be effectively powerless against the unions. Rather than risk being seen as ineffectual, BJ instead imposed lockdowns, maintaining the pretence of being in charge of events.
It seems likely that union pressure was a factor in BJ’s lockdown decisions (although, as with many other covid related issues, the current enquiry seems oddly incurious about this aspect), particularly when considering the abruptness of his “policy” reversals in the days leading up to all three LDs. It’s particularly striking that the decision to impose the final LD seems to have been taken in the space of a few hours on January 3/4 2021, apparently in response to an NEU threat that teachers wouldn’t return to work following the holiday.
Sounds entirely plausible, ACronySpic, more so than “they just hate us” or “WEF globohomo”.
And it wouldn’t just be the teachers unions. If the elected government had taken punitive action against them then some or all of the rest of the permanent government would have come out in support.
That fun video of Milei chucking the name badges of government departments over his shoulder is just a fun video. He’ll find the reality a lot tougher.