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AstraZeneca vaccine linked with ‘spike’ in cases of rare disease that can paralyse victims
As studies report rise ‘attributable to’ Covid jab, The Telegraph speaks to people who developed Guillain-Barré syndrome after vaccination

But this is a known side effect of all vaccinations.

Now, whether there’s more with this one is interesting, possibly even important. But some? Normal.

33 thoughts on “Just a little thing”

  1. Two thoughts on the AZ jab. (i) It’s even worse than the Pfizer and Moderna ones. (ii) It’s no worse but it doesn’t have the CIA etc batting for its side.

  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    My brother had a near death experience: thought he was recovering and suddenly collapsed and was rushed in to St Thomas’s and spent a week on a ventilator. My niece was told 50/50 chance of survival.

    But as he was over 60 and is obese and a T2 diabetic who did sod all about it he was in the highest risk category.

  3. Me mam lives in a warden flat. A few of her neighbours have succumbed after the latest booster of various ailments, but all within 48 hours of their jab. Quite rightly she has refused to have it.

    Mt two uncles that died of Covid were 82 & 79 and diabetic and most importantly caught it in hospital .

  4. “I still don’t know anybody who died of COVID.”

    Me neither. I know of a man in his 70s who caught it and was hospitalised, but survived (he was unvaxxed, an evangelical Christian who believed in letting God decide) but thats it. The epoch making pandemic and I still don’t know anyone who died from it.

    On the other hand since the vaccine roll-out of 2020/2021 I know of:
    My father who died suddenly in his chair (it wasn’t unexpected, he had been ill for years) -2021
    The mother of a friend who died suddenly from a heart attack -2021
    The father of my brother in law who got sepsis and died within a few days (partly because the sainted NHS refused to let him see a doctor until it was too late)-2022
    A farming friend who died suddenly from a heart attack-2023
    The brother of a friend who had an aggressive cancer-2023
    A cricketing friend in his 40s who suffered a sudden heart attack (luckily survived due to his wife doing CPR until the ambulance arrived) -2023.

    There’s also the non-fatal injuries (so far):
    My own mother who has suffered from nasty red sores/welts all over her body since taking a Pfizer booster in autumn 2021, which a doctor has admitted is probably vaccine related (thats a private doctor of course, the NHS ones are bought and paid for by the State/pharma industrial complex and don’t do medicine any more, just dole out the pills they’re told to, and collect their pieces of silver).
    A friend who suffered the recurrence of her breast cancer after being in remission for over 10 years.
    A friend who has had prostate cancer.
    An acquaintance who suffered Bells Palsy after her jabs.

  5. “ Now, whether there’s more with this one is interesting, possibly even important. “

    Yes and yes.

    Guillain-Barré syndrome is rare – even rarer after vaccination and affects mostly those 50+.

    There is reportedly an increased risk from the AZ snake oil compared to other vaccines (including the shit produced by Pfizer and Moderna) and the increased risk is to the 18+ age group.

  6. BiND

    Has he subsequently changed his lifestyle in any meaningful way? As another over 60 formerly obese type 2, in the words of Wham, I chose life.

    True story. My late mother when aged 99 and living in a care home was diagnosed positive in January 2021. I waited for the call to make my final visit but instead was told a week later that she had since tested clear (she stuck around for another 8 months).

    However that January 16 of the 65 residents passed away. They were a hugely vulnerable group arguably on borrowed time. You can only keep it at bay for a limited time before it spreads like wildfire through dry vegetation. Mum was a tough old bird though, the virus took one look at her and moved on to easier pickings.

  7. I’ll buy your produce Jim, but I’d rather not take my chances having a chat and getting to know you, thanks. Smiles

  8. @Bongo: I know what you mean, I feel like an island of (relative) health among a sea of illness and death sometimes. Its all anecdata but when they keep coming, you start to wonder.

  9. I don’t think the important question here is whether the incidence of Guillain-Barré syndrome is higher with these vaccines than with vaccines for other diseases. It’s whether the vast majority of people ever needed a Covid vaccine in the first place (or whether it worked even if they did).

    It’s the same question as with any drug: are the likely benefits of the drug to the individual greater than the dangers? If the benefits are zero, then a focus on the level of side effects is moot: a distraction from the real issue.

    Taking a pharmaceutical you don’t need – any pharmaceutical – is one of the most pointlessly dangerous things you can do.

  10. My oldest friend died 10 years ago because of GB syndrome. It’s more often a post-viral syndrome (his came after whooping cough) rather than a post-vaccine one. The T just says “most patients recover” – the actual statistics are that after a year 99% of all sufferers have no effects, and for most of the other 1% it’s relatively minor like numbness in a foot or similar neuropathy. In the case of my friend he was in a coma in ICU for 9 weeks and then left paralysed from the neck down, and kept having strokes and heart attacks until after 11 months he told the doctors to turn off his life support because he’d had enough.

    @Steve: I know 6 people who died of Covid, including one 32 year old. The rest were 70+ with existing conditions, usually lung related and/or diabetes.

  11. @Paul, Somerset

    Actually the question is by what fucking right did the government dictate to people in some professions that they either took the jabs or lost their jobs? (In other countries it was even worse.)

    They justified it by claiming the vaccines stopped spread – so you were ‘protecting others’ (not that that makes any moral difference) – at a time when they already knew this was untrue.

    A greater and more infamous act of brutal government fuckery was never visited on the British people, and I for one will never forget and never forgive.

    I know no one who died from Covid – very few people did. Many died from the ‘healthcare’ they received when they finally made it to hospital.

    Both my (jabbed) parents died suddenly this year – my father from a kidney cancer which the oncologist said was very slow growing and would not kill him, only to fall off his chair at the next consultation six weeks later when it was suddenly the size of a cricket ball – and I know of four local pub landlords in their 50s and 60s who dropped dead this summer.

    I could mention many others, unsurprisingly since the mortality rate is running like a train (as, perhaps more significantly, the fertility rate falls off a cliff).

    We’re in a war, ladies and gents. The government and the media are the enemy.

  12. My wife keeps in touch with 57 cousins and their extended families. So I know of two people who died “of covid”.
    One, aged 93, was admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties. Death by covid accourding to the certificate.
    His wife, 92 (childhood sweetheart) died at home a week later. Because she was a “contact” her death also was attributed to covid.

    Once you eliminate the very elderly, the diabetics and the ventilated the actual death toll appears very limited. Under normal circumstances diseases evolve to be less lethal. A respiratory virus can’t be infectious if the host isn’t breathing. However, if you provide a constant supply of vulnerable hosts, as in a hospital ward or care home, you can slow or even reverse this process.

  13. “I still don’t know anybody who died of COVID.”

    A friend of mine did, here in the Isle of Man.

    He was overweight, type two diabetic and unvaccinated – he was an American and very much of the I-don’t-need-no-stinking-vaccine school of thought.

    I am also overweight (though not to the same extent), type two (though not to the same extent) and vaccinated, and when I had a massive dose of COVID (as indicated by the test line turning a dark purple within seconds of starting the test) cleared it completely within a week, with my sense of taste and smell returning about a fortnight later.

  14. The very best experiment to discover the facts of covid was the Diamond Princess.
    4700+ passengers and crew.
    700+ tested positive.
    Most didn’t know they had it.
    Husband and wife couple quarantined in the same cabin – one got it , one didn’t.
    Some with mild cold like symptoms.
    14 died.
    Only one person under 70 (69) succumbed and all the deceased had two or more co-morbidities.

    I don’t know of anyone who died ‘of covid’. A few mates have gone since though, of stroke, heart attacks and turbo cancer.

    I’m now 64 years old, no underlying morbidities and 0% chance of dying of from a clotshot side effect. I know young people who bitterly regret getting jabbed and are shitting themselves.

  15. John: Snap! My mum caught Covid age 99 in her care home, recovered & then died months later, 3 weeks before her 100th birthday. Oddly she did get a card from the Queen but both had died by the time it arrived!

    I managed to avoid Covid until earlier this year. It was flue-like for a few days & then I got better. My wife had it at the same time.

  16. lIiam: You had “a massive dose of Covid” AFTER vaccination then. But Covid hadn’t been able to infect you before you were injected with the vaccine.

    The most reasonable explanation is that, as with the vast majority of people, you were already immune to this coronavirus. That’s what the evidence from the Diamond Princess showed as early as February 2020. But after vaccination you weren’t.

    (As an aside, I wonder how many of those 14 unfortunate souls aboard the Diamond Princess would have survived if China hadn’t told the world to use ventilators.)

  17. Didn’t die but did spend 5 days in critical care with Delta variant, despite WHO advice at the time they were using steroids for treatment.
    It seems a lot of standard treatments were mysteriously considered unacceptable for Covid.
    I did catch it within days after my first vaccination shot, the entire family tested positive and had the odd sniffle apart from me.

  18. dearieme said:
    “Two thoughts on the AZ jab. (i) It’s even worse than the Pfizer and Moderna ones. (ii) It’s no worse but it doesn’t have the CIA etc batting for its side.”

    A third possibility; it’s *less* harmful than the Pfizer and Moderna ones, but the authorities pushed Pfizer and Moderna so hard that they’re shit-scared of being blamed for the resulting damage so are distracting attention as fast as possible.

    (whether or not they’re aided by a pharmaceutical industry that’s nervous of a vaccine sold at cost I don’t know – but I prefer to blame the politicians)

  19. One of the earliest deaths ‘from Covid’ in the UK (so early that he got a namecheck in The Times, which was still listing all such deaths) was a leading light in our pub quiz league. We all thought “Bloody hell, he was only in his 60s, fit as a fiddle, and still commuting to his job as a City lawyer every day”. At his funeral we discovered he had a rare blood disorder for which he was being treated at the Churchill in Oxford.

  20. I got serious grief from my office for remaining unvaccinated, but strange that I have had COVID 4 times and no more than a sniffle each time, but the vaccinated in the office were all bed ridden for at least a week upon catching it.

  21. Bloke in North Dorset

    John,

    Has he subsequently changed his lifestyle in any meaningful way? As another over 60 formerly obese type 2, in the words of Wham, I chose life.

    Its worse. He’d already had a toe amputated and now he’s developed kidney problems and has a portable dialysis machine. They won’t put him on the transplant list until he loses a lot of weight and last time I checked he wasn’t getting close.

    It seems for some people seriously impaired life and possibly imminent death isn’t the incentive you’d think it would be. His daughter is even prepared to donate a kidney if he can get his weight down to the required levels as she wants her 2 children to have some time with granddad.

    On Covid boosters, it seems that they are no longer giving them out to the general population. I was talking to a 65YO yesterday and he said he had to convince his doctor that he was a carer before they’d give him the booster.

  22. @Paul, Somerset

    “lIiam: You had “a massive dose of Covid” AFTER vaccination then. But Covid hadn’t been able to infect you before you were injected with the vaccine.”

    Well, that’s debatable.

    I’m pretty sure I’ve had COVID before – but it was in December 2017, two years before it officially existed.

    Let’s just say that the 2017 illness had identical symptoms to COVID (which, for me, produces very different symptoms from a cold, flu or any other illness) and could not be identified up at the Cottage Hospital, who told me they had never seen anything like it and had no idea what I had come down with. A friend caught whatever-it-was from me at the time, and whereas it produced a fever and an itchy red rash on my shins, followed by the chest infection from hell, he had diarrhoea and projectile vomiting for a week followed by a total loss of taste and smell.

    It was precisely because the 2017 illness was so unpleasant that I had my full course of vaccinations. COVID last March passed very quickly in comparison.

  23. Just a thought. Not a proof, nor even a claim. “Covids” have been around a long time. The most recent thing was “Covid 19”. Which is a clue. Having had “a covid” earlier than “covid 19” is, well, it’s, umm….

  24. Covids and Corona viruses are actually the Common Cold.

    This was different because a Chinese lab had a “Take a bat home” weekend for the workers and inevitably some ended up on the menu.

  25. Blokes – when I Googled “covid ventilators causing death”, I found a story from the mainest of mainstream news media, NBC News:

    Why some doctors are moving away from ventilators for virus patients

    Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for COVID-19 patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be doing harm.


    Higher-than-normal death rates also have been reported elsewhere in the U.S., said Dr. Albert Rizzo, the American Lung Association’s chief medical officer.

    Similar reports have emerged from China and the United Kingdom. One U.K. report put the figure at 66 percent. A very small study in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the disease first emerged, said 86 percent died.

    The reason is not clear. It may have to do with what kind of shape the patients were in before they were infected. Or it could be related to how sick they had become by the time they were put on the machines, some experts said.

    This was April 9th, 2020 (!)

    But I’m sure the NHS mania for ventilators lasted well beyond April? After clinical evidence emerged showing they were killing people?

    In fact, weren’t doctors trying to put Boris on a ventilator in April 2020?

    Um, why?

    Seriously, I assume they had pillows.

  26. The “common cold” is considered to be a mild respiratory viral disease caused by several viruses. The percentages vary but the consensus is something like 70-75% by rhnoviruses, around 20% by various B Corona viruses, and the balance by Adenoviruses. There may be other contributors and the proportions vary over time and by location.

    The B Corona viruses are indeed related to. Covid-19 with one very important proviso, none of them have a FCS (Furan Cleavage Site) which is critical to the apparent infectivity and relatively high lethality of C-19. Some other more distantly related BCV’s DO have FCS sites, but all are entirely different from that in C-19 so that virus “evolved” it in a completely separate way.

    So infection by a BCV pre C-19 was indeed reasonably likely and would be seen as simply a cold, as good or as bad as that affects various people. The “spike” protein that would be primary (but not the only) immune system exposed viral protein in the “old” BCV’s though is likely to be sufficiently different to be of limited value in providing any form of immunity, though of course depending probably on unknowable factors, may work for some people.

    One of the enduring frustrations and mysteries is given the credible evidence of at least some degree of frequent negative reactions to the C-19 vaccines, why is there so much official resistance to a proper and scientific independent investigation into the extent and seriousness of these issues. Everywhere in the world there is huge opposition to even thinking about this. It may seem like conspiratorial thinking, but the only explanation that seems to make sense is that there is something to it, and the “powers that be” know this, and are trying desperately to stop anyone from finding out….and BLAMING THEM.

  27. Steve

    Indeed, I am pretty convinced that a major contribution to my second uncle’s death was that he was put on a ventilator.

    There was a docu that I saw a few years ago where it said that nerves are sent a “time to die” signal by the brain/CNS and that giving a patient oxygen often speeds up this process.

  28. @Ed Snack

    It may seem like conspiratorial thinking, but the only explanation that seems to make sense is that there is something to it, and the “powers that be” know this, and are trying desperately to stop anyone from finding out….and BLAMING THEM.

    100%

    Every government in every developed country in the world knows to a very close degree exactly who has had which jabs, how many of them, when, and what happened next – from nothing to PX dying of cancer/heart attack/stroke etc

    There is no possible reason for keeping this data secret other than it contains some very bad news associated with the rising mortality rate.

    Forget all the rest of it, that this one simple fact – that they are refusing to release this data even in the face of FOIA requests and now legal action – doesn’t lead to pitchfork wielding mobs fills me with despair.

    Is there nothing that people won’t bend over and take from their masters?

  29. Every government in every developed country in the world knows to a very close degree exactly who has had which jabs,

    I’m not so sure. In Bavaria “data” was kept on post it notes and the NHS held stuff on an Excel spreadsheet which crashed.

    REMEMBER there is a reason why people work for a health service – because they are unemployable elsehwhere.

  30. @Otto

    Maybe though maybe that’s what they want you to think.

    My sister in law works for the NHS and was involved in the vaccine programme. They have plenty of data.

    They could certainly pick a representative sample of a million in the UK that are trackable.

  31. “Every government in every developed country in the world knows to a very close degree exactly who has had which jabs, how many of them, when, and what happened next – from nothing to PX dying of cancer/heart attack/stroke etc
    There is no possible reason for keeping this data secret other than it contains some very bad news associated with the rising mortality rate.”

    As is shown by the recent data leak from NZ. The data exists, if the vaccines are so f*cking wonderful why aren’t the PTB using it to prove they saved the world? Its the dog that didn’t bark. We are expected to believe that governments the world over, including our own NHS with possibly the most detailed and centralised population level healthcare database there is, are sitting on evidence that proves categorically they did everything right, but are refusing to use it to exonerate themselves, presumably because they prefer to be called mass murderers and want conspiracy theories to thrive.

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