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Prof Monica Lakhanpaul, a consultant paediatrician at Whittington health NHS trust, said she was encountering more children with iron and vitamin deficiencies and rickets, caused by a lack of vitamin D and calcium, describing the problem as a “hidden crisis”.

While there has been a focus on reversing these deficiencies in low- and middle-income countries, she said, children in the UK were increasingly at risk. “We don’t screen for it, we actually don’t know the scale of the problem on a population basis. That’s my worry,” she said. “What’s on our doorstep we forget about very quickly. We need to know as a nation that people’s health in this country is deteriorating.”

Strongly linked to milk intake, yes, but also sunlight. One of the reasons paler skin developed was in order to be able to process – into thoser vitals – the weak sunlight of a Northern winter.

Has there been any substantial change in the skin colour of the British population over the past 10 to 15 years? Well, yes, actually there has. Would I insist that’s the cause?

Nope. But those who collected this information should probably do some checking against ethnic origin, no?

But then this is The Guardian, so of course they won’t.

20 thoughts on “Possibly, possibly”

  1. We had all this in the 1970s

    It used to be on Nationwide even. I assume that they fixed the problem back then.
    And they only had leeches to work with.


  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    Otto beat me to it.

    Presumably the media is now too scared to talk about it for fear of being accused of being racist? Telling them to get out and not cover up as much and also consume more Vit D and calcium is only the same as warning whitey to cover up, use sun screens and drink more water when going to hot countries, its sensible not racist.

  3. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It’s largely a result of people following the advice of dieticians in their obsessive, media inspired, search for a “healthy” diet then forcing the results on their kids.

  4. Bloke in the Fourth Reich

    All entirely preventable with a single, extremely cheap, weekly, pill. Contents uncontroversial, not big pharma selling you overpriced poison.

    But the NHS won’t pay for it, so it must be unnecessary.

  5. Yet another example of the ignorant leading the intelligent and educated. Her manager probably has the arduous job of sitting in front of a computer all day perusing the employee lists hitting B or A and very, very occasionally W on their keyboard. For the pittance of £127,000 pa for the rest of their lives…

  6. @Mr Grist
    I have had the misfortune of visiting the Whittington Hospital in the Archway Road. Take it from me, you wouldn’t want to. Would have been better named after the cat.

  7. If you shave a chimpanzee you’ll find it has white skin.
    So while pale skin may have been advantageous in pre historic northern latitudes it was a reverse adaptation not a progressive mutation.
    In a primitive poor society you eat anything edible so you get all the vitamins just by chance, even though you may go hungry.
    In a rich modern society you have choice, and if your choice is, say, chicken and chips every day, you may well be undernourished in trace ingredients even when being officially obese.
    I’d also like to know about the children of vegans or other food faddists. That might be a better predictor of diet deficiencies.

  8. Saw on the Internet:

    Sometimes, for almost spiritual reasons, a culture simply fails to thrive and begins to die. People eat poor diets voluntarily, they fail to reproduce themselves, they could turn it around but the Will to Live has deserted them

    He was talking about the Batak Negritos of the Philippines.

    (Rod Serling: “Or was he?”)

  9. My wife had a blood test one day in March. At 9:30pm they rang up to say she had a magnesium deficiency and should go to A & E, 12 miles away, IMMEDIATELY .
    We had both had a drink so refused to drive.
    Next day at the hospital they wanted to admit her for treatment.
    My guess? They are far too ready to insist on hospital treatment rather than diet and pills.

  10. It’s not just more swarthy people. It’s kids sitting in front of their iPads all day instead of getting out of the house. Especially in winter.

  11. Maybe locking all the kiddies indoors for 2 years had an impact?
    Adults too and it’s especially bad in older people. Vit D deficiency generally makes you more susceptible to diseases…

  12. They found that between 2000/1 and 2015/16 the number of tests ordered per 10,000 person years increased 3.3 fold from 14,869 to 49,267
    Doesn’t exactly match the period covered by the G study, but that’s quite a trend and likely continuing.
    More blood tests – not a 3 fold increase in malnutrition then.
    Over 80s most affected age group , under 10s least affected.

  13. @El Draque – Magnesium and potassium levels being wrong can cause seizures and strokes so something to keep an eye on. That said the blood test for K levels is subject to big error bars (rough handling blows up RBCs apparently but BIGDR can correct me I am sure). I wonder whether Mg levels same?

    Got the same call from GP once, one who I trusted and knew her stuff. She explained ‘it was likely an error but risk was high so please go, now’.

  14. The problem with just popping a vitamin D pill is that the body uses magnesium to convert/absorb the contents of the pills. The vitamin D pills reduce your levels of magnesium, in other words, so you need a magnesium pill as well.

    In some ways, the vitamin/mineral supplement industry makes its money the same way the pharma industry does: by issuing new drugs to counteract the side-effects of previous ones.

    Having said that, from Christmas through to April I do pour evaporated milk from Lidl over my breakfast cereal, because the milk is fortified with vitamin D, being a German import. But I think the choice of evaporated milk as the foodstuff to fortify is a deliberate one, owing to cream being a good source of magnesium.

  15. “One of the reasons paler skin developed was in order to be able to process – into those vitals – the weak sunlight of a Northern winter. ”

    Aren’t you the one who complains when people get evolution the wrong way round? Pale skin developed because pale skin was a survival trait.

  16. Mothers are taught to smother their children with factor 50 sunblock between May and September. Schools don’t let kids play in the sunshine. Who would have thought that there might be consequences?

  17. Hey guys, you need to sort out whether you are talking about vitamain D2 or D3. They have different roles; do different stuff. We need ’em both. parts of the discussion here appears to muddle them.

  18. @dearieme
    Isn’t there a rather large factor being ignored here? As it very often is in these sort stats. Whites will have likely benefited from whole life white nation health care. The melanin enhanced, not so much. And those early years can make a lot of difference in later years.

  19. @dearime – there is evidence of a SMALL protective effect vs respiratory infections with regular vit D dosing, independant of vitamin D serum levels. There’s a number of papers out there.

    @El Draque – as @Andrew Again wroteand Mg is very poorly absorbed orally so to get someone’s Mg levels back to physiological normality needs IV Mg infusions.

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