Are, but I don’t think the contraction used is wrong. It’s at least universal in spoken English, and isn’t objectively wrong, unlike Americanisms like “I could care less”, or that widely used incorrect prefix, irre-somethingorother? I can’t bring to the front of my Sunday morning mind.
A mate is a sub on that newspaper. And ‘ee says it’s wrong and will be got at.
Bloke in Wales
2 years ago
By “fairer tax” I presume they don’t mean lower.
So wrong on both counts.
PF
2 years ago
“It’s at least universal in spoken English”
About 30-40 years ago from memory? Prior to that, it sounded as wrong as “I is”. Still does to me, but – its progress, innit.
Steve
2 years ago
Tbere are Net Zero routes to growth.
Bloke in the Fourth Reich
2 years ago
PF, languages evolve. If they didn’t, you’d still be speaking King James English. Doubtleſs ſome contemporarieſ complained about þe moderne, progreſsive, proſe choſen for þat book.
John B
2 years ago
The correct spoken contraction is there’re, but seldom used in writing – the incorrect contraction is used instead.
English (1950s/60s) lessons: we were taught contractions must not be used in writing except for quoted speech, or poems.
Peter MacFarlane
2 years ago
“…you’d still be speaking King James English…”
As I remember hearing every Sunday, from birth to whenever it was that the Church of England lost the plot.
What we have now is what my dear old dad used to call “DHS English”. No wonder nobody bothers to go any more.
/grumpyoldgitrant
Bongo
2 years ago
Even ‘route’ sounds wrong.
E.g.
There are two ways to Northern Ireland, boat or flight.
NCL-BFS and Cairnryan-Larne are the routes.
Peace, easy taxes, security and justice are ways to prosperity.
Abolishing SDLT, staying out of foreign wars and building more prisons are examples of routes.
Imv of course.
PF
2 years ago
4th Reich
Or worse still, some form of German. 🙂
BraveFart
2 years ago
Incorrect English grammar really greats, ya get me blood?
PJF
2 years ago
– its progress, innit.
That’s a shamefully incorrect correct use of “innit” for “progress”.
Proper contemporary use should be as in:
“We iz gonna rob da store, innit.”
bloke in spain
2 years ago
I presume “demographer” is another imaginary talent to come out of your “world leading” university system?
As for the three future options quoted in the piece, what about 4) increased individual productivity by a declining population (thanx to severely curtailed immigration) leading to vast increases in personal wealth & happiness. That’s contrary to the current situation, where increasing individual productivity is rewarded with higher taxes & the benefits ending up we know where.
jgh
2 years ago
Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan achieved amazing levels of prosperity through staggeringly huge amounts of immigration…… oh wait.
Grikath
2 years ago
PF, not german, but germanic… And it’d be a flavour of celtic to begin with, not germanic.
Not even going into the rabbit-hole that a very significant part of english is just french pronounced wrong…. 😛
Tractor Gent
2 years ago
Grikath: depends which entry in Roget you use. As a native speaker I never really noticed the richness of synonymity in English until later life and a better exposure to other languages. It was just how to use the language from experience, both writing and speech. I suppose that’s for what we should most thank Guillaume le Bâtard.
As an example, watching Swedish crime dramas on TV they’ll say ‘bra’ and the subtitles will be good, great, fine, etc depending on the exact context.
Anon
2 years ago
@jgh
To be fair Singapore is a high immigration society. But they were prepared to be more ruthless at differentiating “high value” migrants they wanted to nab, and allowed to settle down properly with family, versus “other” migrants to come and do more menial work, who often have to live in dormitories out of the way, and aren’t allowed to stick around all that long.
You get that to some extent in the UK with fruit-pickers etc but Singapore take it much further.
Are, but I don’t think the contraction used is wrong. It’s at least universal in spoken English, and isn’t objectively wrong, unlike Americanisms like “I could care less”, or that widely used incorrect prefix, irre-somethingorother? I can’t bring to the front of my Sunday morning mind.
A mate is a sub on that newspaper. And ‘ee says it’s wrong and will be got at.
By “fairer tax” I presume they don’t mean lower.
So wrong on both counts.
“It’s at least universal in spoken English”
About 30-40 years ago from memory? Prior to that, it sounded as wrong as “I is”. Still does to me, but – its progress, innit.
Tbere are Net Zero routes to growth.
PF, languages evolve. If they didn’t, you’d still be speaking King James English. Doubtleſs ſome contemporarieſ complained about þe moderne, progreſsive, proſe choſen for þat book.
The correct spoken contraction is there’re, but seldom used in writing – the incorrect contraction is used instead.
English (1950s/60s) lessons: we were taught contractions must not be used in writing except for quoted speech, or poems.
“…you’d still be speaking King James English…”
As I remember hearing every Sunday, from birth to whenever it was that the Church of England lost the plot.
What we have now is what my dear old dad used to call “DHS English”. No wonder nobody bothers to go any more.
/grumpyoldgitrant
Even ‘route’ sounds wrong.
E.g.
There are two ways to Northern Ireland, boat or flight.
NCL-BFS and Cairnryan-Larne are the routes.
Peace, easy taxes, security and justice are ways to prosperity.
Abolishing SDLT, staying out of foreign wars and building more prisons are examples of routes.
Imv of course.
4th Reich
Or worse still, some form of German. 🙂
Incorrect English grammar really greats, ya get me blood?
– its progress, innit.
That’s a shamefully incorrect correct use of “innit” for “progress”.
Proper contemporary use should be as in:
“We iz gonna rob da store, innit.”
I presume “demographer” is another imaginary talent to come out of your “world leading” university system?
As for the three future options quoted in the piece, what about 4) increased individual productivity by a declining population (thanx to severely curtailed immigration) leading to vast increases in personal wealth & happiness. That’s contrary to the current situation, where increasing individual productivity is rewarded with higher taxes & the benefits ending up we know where.
Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan achieved amazing levels of prosperity through staggeringly huge amounts of immigration…… oh wait.
PF, not german, but germanic… And it’d be a flavour of celtic to begin with, not germanic.
Not even going into the rabbit-hole that a very significant part of english is just french pronounced wrong…. 😛
Grikath: depends which entry in Roget you use. As a native speaker I never really noticed the richness of synonymity in English until later life and a better exposure to other languages. It was just how to use the language from experience, both writing and speech. I suppose that’s for what we should most thank Guillaume le Bâtard.
As an example, watching Swedish crime dramas on TV they’ll say ‘bra’ and the subtitles will be good, great, fine, etc depending on the exact context.
@jgh
To be fair Singapore is a high immigration society. But they were prepared to be more ruthless at differentiating “high value” migrants they wanted to nab, and allowed to settle down properly with family, versus “other” migrants to come and do more menial work, who often have to live in dormitories out of the way, and aren’t allowed to stick around all that long.
You get that to some extent in the UK with fruit-pickers etc but Singapore take it much further.