My elderly relatives first fled for their lives in 1948. In Gaza right now they are walking the Nakba again
Ghada Ageel
Palestinians fled in 1948 because the massed Arab armies tried to invade. And the Jews, agressive little buggers that they are, fought back. So, you know, don’t be on the side of the invaders of Israel?
In 2023 Hamas incaded Israel. Now Palestinians are fleeing. We seeing a pattern here yet?
Why did they return to a dump like Gaza that was under occupation ?
Quite simply because no one else in the Arab world wants them and the Jordies had to throw most of them out when the PLO tried to take over.
I use MQ to measure these things. Monkey Quotient – how many monkeys do I give about your problem ?
Coming soon to a town near you courtesy of Labour (or the conservatives if by some miracle they cling on). Lucky we’re building all those new homes in readiness for them.
Otto
As I understand it, the Palestinians have been on the dole, ie ‘refugees’, since 1948. Presumably they returned to their ‘refugee camps’.
John
Yes. That’s exactly what I’m expecting. After all, the Israelis, Egyptians, Jordanians etc don’t want them. So why not Syrianise the problem and dump them all on the wicked white West.
In Gaza right now they are walking the Nakba again
Foreign types with the hookah pipes say
Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
Otto,
I presume the MQ can be deeply negative in some instances?
My uncle’s wife’s family had to flee Poland in the 1940s…… because they were German.
At 88, Abu Issam has walked the Nakba twice. And each time the international community, led by western governments, has stood by in full complicity. Palestinians will never forget, and will never forgive.
I am beginning to think that a campaign of ‘depalestinification’ trials will be needed across the West with people like this subject to some kind of treatment along the lines of that show in the film ‘Clockwork Orange’ – Certainly the israeli solution – which appears to conform (albeit perhaps not in the way the fifth columnists here and elsewhere in the West want) to the desire for Palestine to be ‘free from the River to the Sea’ is far more realistic than the twaddle peddled by Biden and his cronies. A Palestine free of Muslims could be a useful blueprint for much of the rest of the world I think.
‘Palestinians will never forget, and will never forgive.’
Interesting that the article provides me with perfect justification for my islamophobia.
My wife had to flee an islamic country because she was not muslim. How many other places is the religion of peace forcing out others? Where is the outrage from the left?
Palestinians will never forget, and will never forgive.
My MQ is dropping by the word, VP.
Nb she describes herself as “Ghada Ageel, a third-generation Palestinian refugee” because Palestinians have made being “refugees” their full time job – another reason nobody in the Middle East wants them. They want them to stay in place and anklebite the Jews.
It’s a welfare zoo.
Mohave Greenie
I’m not sure if it’s because of fear – the likes of Owen Jones, himself an anti-semite of considerable viciousness bleat on constantly about ‘Islamophobia’ despite the fact he would be executed if he were to appear in anywhere like Indonesia or Iran. But perhaps because of that they think that trying to appease these people will prevent them being slaughtered when Islam marches into their front room. The cognitive dissonance is truly astounding, even by the standards of the contemporary zeitgeist.
Steve
While noone would put Jordan top of any list of places to live or go, you have to say they rumbled the whole corrupt enterprise decades ago and booted em out. I think it is a live question as to what you do with a parasitic infection? Surely has to be excised?
VP
Nearly 30 years since I was last in Jordan, but in the 90s it was a pretty well run place.
I wonder if the Palestinians will ever wake up and realise that their problems are caused not by the Jews but by their own leaders. Here’s hoping.
– Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
Care like an Egyptian
Ottokring
It’s perfectly fine I think – not a country that perhaps features much on ME itineraries or on News stories but those I know that have been are very complimentary actually – just tends to get overshadowed by some of its neighbours – saying it wasn’t top is a long way from saying its at the bottom! I’d imagine there’s considerably less crime and disorder than the UK and they’re probably far more sensible on things like Big Trans or Net Zero.
Palestinians will never forget, and will never forgive.
And they will never, ever, learn.
Which is why nobody in the Western world – or the Arab world, for that matter – gives a fuck as to whether they forget or forgive. They are among history’s losers… By choice.
@Mohave Greenie
My wife had to flee an islamic country because she was not muslim.’
I grew up in Bahrain, at a time when it was liberal. There were two Catholic churches (we’re Catholics), you could buy alcohol and pork products, and women wore bikinis on the beach (especially the Sheikh’s Beach).
Here’s an abbreviated version of the story of the Jews of Bahrain, from wiki:
Bahraini Jews constitute one of the world’s smallest Jewish communities, although its origins go back to late antiquity… In the 12th century, the Jewish traveler-adventurer Benjamin of Tudela mentions 500 Jews living in Qays, and 5,000 in Al-Qatîf, involved in pearl fishery. [The island is about 13×7 miles, so its entire population would not have been huge at that time.]
The Jewish community declined during the twentieth century.
In 1968, only some 100 Jews remained in the new capital city of Manama. [Most having left to avoid being killed in 1948.]
At the beginning of the twenty-first century, about 30 Jews remained in Bahrain.
The community maintained ownership of a synagogue, but it was not in use and services were held in private homes on holidays.
Note again: Bahrain is one of the most liberal countries in the Middle East, though it’s less so now than it was in my day.
I was in Jordan, working, for three months about five years ago. Quite nice.
It’s a fairly typical not very democratic, a bit corrupt place. It would be there with Mexico, Russia, Brazil, etc. Nice if you earn well, and not the worst to be poor in.
They still have an active Christian community and not all the women wear head scarves. It’s a safe place to be, even if not Jordanian.
The populace is very anti-Israel. The government, quietly, is pro-Israel.
@V_P
I’m not certain whether you were thinking of tourist itineraries, but Jordan has: Petra, Wadi Rum (Lawrence of Arabia country), Jerash/Gerasa (top set of Roman ruins) and some of the best Crusader castles (now that Krak des Chevaliers is off limits). And Aqaba for sun and (Red) sea (and more Lawrence).
In 1948, IIRC, in the face of the attack, Israel almost begged the non-Jews in Israel to remain there and be a part of the country they were about to defend against Islamia. At the same time, Islamia was telling the non-Jews to get out so that the massacre could go on unimpeded, after which they would be given all of the Israelis’ land and stuff.
They chose poorly.
Chris Miller
Apologies – people seem to think I have it ‘in’ for Jordan which is unquestionably not the case – my aim was merely to point out they kicked the PLO and the majority of their ‘refugees’ way back when. I would say in my experience of people looking for Middle East destinations Jordan tended to get overlooked for Israel or previously (before the war) Syria (a few people mentioned Iran as particularly good largely due to the Iranian people, many who are of course utterly contemptuous of the Hamas ideology) but by no means is it short or bereft of tourist attractions – as you rightly point out. Indeed your reminder means I might be heading there myself to check it out!!
Interested
How true your post is as ever. I do think the Geeet Wilders manifesto (or something like it) will have to gain traction here at some point. If we could wean ourselves of Middle Eastern oil then the whole shebang would start crumbling but of course the idiots running things would rather starve you and freeze you while bleating about ‘Islamophobia’.
I would say the logic behind one aspect of Net Zero is becoming apparent! If we have chopped down all the trees for solar and wind power and got rid of all the lampposts to conserve energy they won’t be many places to swing ropes over…
@V_P
No apology needed – an opportunity to get in a plug for the Jordanian tourist agency :). Most of the peoples of the ME are very pleasant as individuals, but their religion can often get in the way. We’ve been very keen to visit Iran for at least a couple of decades, but the time has never been right (though I know people who’ve been as ‘adventure’ tourists and returned to tell the tale). My nephew has married an Iranian lass, so that might be a way ‘in’ for us.
Iran? Just mention me. I used to write for their eqiv of The Economist. True, my collaborator/translator ended up in jail for three days for something we said (a Shakespeare quote would you believe) and you’re done and dusted, right? In fact, the only book of mine that’s ever gone into a second edition wsa the Farsi translation of one…..
If we have chopped down all the trees for solar and wind power and got rid of all the lampposts to conserve energy they won’t be many places to swing ropes over…
Plenty of wind turbines as substitutes – though you’d need a strong throwing arm for the rope. As an emergency measure, some stout gateposts fixed along the White Cliffs at Dover for a landlubbers version of walking the plank.