The substance behind No 10’s inevitable refutation was so threadbare that it bordered on the comic. But then there is no better defence to hand. The prime minister, intoned his spokesman, did not think Brexit was in danger, trying to reinforce the point by declaring: “It’s through our Brexit freedoms that we are, right now, considering how to further strengthen our migration system. It is through our Brexit freedoms we are ensuring patients in the UK can get access to medicines faster, that there is improved animal welfare. That is very much what we are focused on.”
Is that it? Apart from the fact the claims are at best half-truths, at worst palpable falsehoods, as a muster of Brexit “freedoms” they fall devastatingly short of the promises made during the referendum campaign. Recall the economic and trade boom, a reinvigorated NHS, cheap food, controlled immigration and a reborn “global” Britain strutting the world. It’s all ashes – and had today’s realities been known in 2016, we would still be EU members.
The immediate collapse of Britain’s economy if we did leave also didn;t happen. Major proponent of disaster being Willy Hutton.
So, you know….
and had today’s realities been known in 2016, we would still be EU members.
I would still have voted to leave, because, unlike idiots such as Hutton, I am capable of thinking long term. I knew there would be a period of disruption, but the longer term benefits were worth it.
Will Hutton is 73, so here’s hoping he’s vaxxed and boostered.
We voted to Leave the EU, and in response the ‘British’ government voted to kill us with more tax, more eco-theft and, of course, their signature move of more Third World immigration.
None of this makes me regret leaving the EU, but it does make me laugh when Remainers go to meet their master in Hell.
The government could have made our leaving the EU a success, there was a huge opportunity to make the UK the best place to do business. But that would have meant them being proved wrong, they would rather destroy their own country than suffer that.
It’s hard for something to be a success when everbody in power* is doing their utmost to ensure it won’t.
*Here and elsewhere…….
Remainers are the kind of people who’d murder their parents and then demand you respect them as orphans.
“Hey guys, we fucked up your country to prove you WRONG. Don’t you feel like voting for Rory Stewart now? xD xD xD xD”
Vaxxed, maxxed and boostered.
Btw didn’t the ‘British’ government buy about 3 billion doses of mystery jab?
What happened to them?
We were in, and things were unsatisfactory. We left, and things are still unsatisfactory. The fault Dear Willy lies not in our stars but in ourselves that we are underlings*. By which I mean that our political class has no ability to make up its mind and do stuff on its own initiative.
*If I got the quote from Julius Caesar wrong it’s because I did it from memory, and that O level English Lit, which I failed, was fifty-nine years ago.
Speaking of Europe, which Europhiles claim to love and yet strangely rarely discuss since they know so very little about it:
A tourist has been stabbed to death while a British man is reportedly among two others badly injured after a knifeman screaming ‘Allahu Akbar’ launched a frenzied attack in central Paris tonight.
The suspect, identified as Armand R., attacked any passersby he saw while shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ – Arabic for God is the Greatest – near the Eiffel Tower at around 10pm, reports say.
We can’t live like this. We can, however, attempt to regain control over our own national governments and institute the greatest campaign of targeted deportations in Western history. (Or, if you live in Pakistan, Morocco or Israel, Tuesday).
Lying liar continues to lie. News at 11.
This is the reason that the Tories are finished, because useless Etonions that never liked the look of the plebs anyway will promise anything to get elected (even a BRExit referendum) and expect never to be called on their failure to ever deliver anything.
Promising “Conservatism” (even with a small “c”) and delivering blue rinse Labour isn’t appealing to any part of the electorate, even the lunatics of the Limp Dims.
The Tories have been given every guidance on the policies they need to adopt (by which I mean encapsulate in a manifesto and ACTUALLY deliver on) and their hearts just aren’t in it. Maybe they’ve been too tainted by the blob, pissing around since 2010 doing the square root of phuq all.
For all this talk of a Liebour landslide, nobody can stand Sir Kneel, who has all the charm and charisma of a dead fish. They certainly ain’t going to go into a voting booth and vote for the buggers, so 2024 will be a protest vote and little more.
The Tory vote will stay home or vote Reform, but neither will make any difference to the attitude of Sunak and co. Not sure what the consequences of that are in terms of the next Parliament. A Labour “Landslide” on a 36% turnout? Ugh. If you say so.
Roll on 2029.
Brexit was nonsense on stilts from the very start. For all the blether and vague promises it just added layers of bureaucracy to the economy and made it harder to earn a living.
Brexiteers blaming Remainers for not making their scheme work is really odd. Had it been a roaring success they wouldn’t be sharing the credit now would they?
The cry allah u akbar is used a lot by the ropers for all manner of things, historically at the end of a battle where they were the victors and more recently, when beheading women and babies, just before pulling the pin on their suicide vest at a concert full of teenage girls and boys or as in this case, stabbing innocent* people.
But rather than ‘God is greatest’ it really means ‘OUR god is greatest’.
*The only innocent people to ropers are ropers of the same flavour. If you are from one of the other sects, you are hated and a target just as much as the kafirs (see the ahmadi shopkeeper in Scotland murdered just for wishing his customers a merry Christmas).
@Bill G…
May I be permitted to draw your attention to the comments from “Steve”, “Stoneyground” and “Addolff” supra.
If nothing else, your “nom de clavier” is phonetically accurate…
see the ahmadi shopkeeper in Scotland murdered just for wishing his customers a merry Christmas
To be fair to our Peaceful pals, he was brutally murdered in his own place of business for wishing his customers a happy Easter.
In the last post before his death, he wrote: “Good Friday and a very Happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation.
Mr Shah was an Ahmadi, a minority sect not recognised by all Muslims
But, Good News! British justice ensures his murderer is free to encourage more jihad, from prison:
Tanveer Ahmed also appears to be free to communicate his beliefs to others even from inside prison.
An audio message purportedly sent by him to supporters who uploaded it to Facebook marks the Muslim festival of Eid earlier this week.
It ends with the chilling slogan in Urdu: “The penalty for those who disrespect the Prophet is cutting the head from the body
John Galt,
“The Tories have been given every guidance on the policies they need to adopt (by which I mean encapsulate in a manifesto and ACTUALLY deliver on) and their hearts just aren’t in it. Maybe they’ve been too tainted by the blob, pissing around since 2010 doing the square root of phuq all.”
The average senior Conservative is the aimless spawn of a rich family. Not knowing what else to do with their life they go and study PPE and then go into politics, where being able to live off mummy and daddy allows you to exist for years until you get a safe seat. Not that hard to get (although of course, survivorship bias is a thing), as the money in politics is so bad that poor people with talent avoid it and go work in the city. They don’t need the job to pay the bills, plenty of money from family, so it’s “oh well” when they lose their job. So, they aren’t going to do what is necessary to win, because losing is acceptable to them.
They’re going to do whatever they want to do, for as long as they can do it. And rich people tend to view things through a rich people’s perspective of “let them eat cake” because they and all their friends can own electric cars.
Two standard observations about todays coverage by the cesspit that is bbc news:-
1. They insist on calling Ahmed a French National.
2. They insist in referring to it as a “terrorist attack” implying there could be another explanation for a muslim who’s already served 4 years for planning an attack in 2016 and who shouted allah akbar as he stabbed and murdered people.
It might just be the latest “we’ll never know the true reason” despite the fact that earlier in the piece they actually quote the bastard saying exactly why he did it.
@ Bill G
What kind of idiot thinks that leaving the EU ADDS a layer of bureaucracy ?
It’s interesting to look at the difference between the Brexit referendum, which still seems to be a live issue many years afterwards, and the Voice referendum in Australia which after a similar level of public, daily, debate was decisively defeated. The proponents of ours have gone very quiet. Unlike the Remainers, our losers are off licking their wounds and realizing just how badly they fucked up with their overreach.
Of course, the decision on “we must take this action” (divorce the EU) vs” let’s not take this action” (grant a particular group Constitutional rights) are not the same thing. But in Oz, you lose a referendum, you’re pretty much out of the game for a minimum 25 years. Just ask the Australian Republica Movement.
@LTW: While BRExit and “The Voice” have similarities, it is always easier to persuade the electorate to remain with the status quo (No Change) than to enact change.
The brilliance of the Vote Leave campaign was that the slogan “take back control” was seen as a reversion to an earlier state (not necessarily one which ever existed), but even then the result of 52:48 in favour of Vote Leave was a narrow but decisive victory.
Shame we couldn’t have had a similarly decisive BRExit afterwards, but mostly I blame the slimy Gove for that.
Longrider,
“I would still have voted to leave, because, unlike idiots such as Hutton, I am capable of thinking long term. I knew there would be a period of disruption, but the longer term benefits were worth it.”
Exactly. Look, everything about the world, the way it is changing says that the EU matters less and less to us. Compare our products and culture now with how it was in the 1980s. I wasn’t watching Korean movies and drinking Chilean wine. Sainsburys sold EU wine, a bit of Australian came in the late 80s. No-one hired programmers in India. No-one bought a car made in Malaysia or Turkey. Lagavulin probably didn’t sell any whisky to Shanghai.
And this is going to keep growing for some time. More wine in supermarkets is going to come from Georgia, Moldova, China, Bulgaria. My guess is that the EV market is going to be heavily about Asia. Brazil, Kenya, Vietnam are going to get richer and want more JCBs, Burberry and Church’s brogues. And of course, people who work in those businesses will not care about being in the EU if their customers are called Nguyen instead of Jean-Claude. If remain couldn’t convince people to vote for them in 2016, they won’t in 2030.
The short term advantage is that politicians now have to justify their decisions of instead of hiding behind the EU which had invariably gold plated the policies they wanted and pushed through.
It will take time but Brexit won’t be complete and we are taking full strategic advantage until the vast majority of MPs and cabinet ministers were first elected after the 2024 general election and senior civil servants joined after 2019.
“…had today’s realities been known in 2016, we would still be EU members…”
Nope.
We’d rather run our own affairs, even if we do mess up now and then.
@ James Blake – the kind of idiot who knows that to trade with our nearest neighbours we now need an Economic Operator Registration and Identification (EORI) number, make and submit declarations, have them approved, pay tax and duty etc.
I have not had to do so yet, but I am confident that switching jobs to a firm in the EU, or simply retiring to an EU country, will also need considerably more paperwork than it did eight years ago.
It has been one long stream of more hassle for slightly less benefit.
That’s extra bureaucracy imposed by the EU – something they love to do.
I have not had to do so yet, but I am confident that switching jobs to a firm in the EU, or simply retiring to an EU country, will also need considerably more paperwork than it did eight years ago
What a shame. I hope you hate every second of it.
Ltw – The Abbo voice was a nice to have. Something the proggies would like, but nothing to lose sleep over if you’re not a blue eyed Abbo grifter.
Brexit strikes directly at the heart of Clown World, by gravely weakening one of the central load bearing pillars of the post-normal world order. Cameron, Sunak, May, etc. all answer to the various foreign money interests who own and operate them.
That’s why they’ve consistently rejected opportunities to do popular things that would secure their own reelection.
There’s trillions of pounds at stake here, while drooling plebs at the kids table slaver about irrelevant trivia such as blue passports or holiday homes in the French Islamic Republic.
Voted Leave then, would vote Leave again in a heartbeat.
Taking contracts from a company in an eu member state is just as easy now as it was then (I’m currently working with a Belgian company.) If you’re being asked to fill in lots of paperwork, maybe it’s just a sign that they don’t want you.
More wine in supermarkets is going to come from Georgia, Moldova, China, Bulgaria.
China has 10% of the world’s acreage (hectarage is such an ugly word) of vines, making it already the third largest wine producer. Most of it is undrinkable piss, suitable only for selling to the natives to adulterate with Coke, but serious winemakers are moving in – look at Chinese cars 10 years ago vs today.
“Recall the economic and trade boom, a reinvigorated NHS, cheap food, controlled immigration and a reborn “global” Britain strutting the world. It’s all ashes – and had today’s realities been known in 2016, we would still be EU members.”
His whining basically boils down to;
1. Making things up – no one promised a ‘reinvigorated NHS’. How would that even work? EU had nothing to do with the NHS.
2. Things that are in progress – ie, immigration reform.
3. Things that the government has been blocking – the UK isn’t seeing an economic and trade boom and cheap food because the UK government insists on getting in the way of people working.
4. Things that aren’t relevant – is there some reason why the UK needs to become an Imperial power again? That’s what the US did and look how poorly its worked out for us.
Bill G
“December 3, 2023 at 2:35 pm
@ James Blake – the kind of idiot who knows that to trade with our nearest neighbours we now need an Economic Operator Registration and Identification (EORI) number, make and submit declarations, have them approved, pay tax and duty etc.
I have not had to do so yet, but I am confident that switching jobs to a firm in the EU, or simply retiring to an EU country, will also need considerably more paperwork than it did eight years ago.
It has been one long stream of more hassle for slightly less benefit.”
That didn’t add bureaucracy Bill. That was always there. The Bureaucracy just had paperwork you could fill out to avoid having to fill out the other paperwork.
Now its the same paperwork everyone else in the world does – streamlined, natch!
Would not be surprised that the next election is a historically low turnout, apart from the diverse areas that make a much higher than average use of postal voting
The passing of Glenys Kinnock might well be our signal to Rejoin. If they don’t have to oay her oension, our contributions wull be considerably reduced.
1. Making things up – no one promised a ‘reinvigorated NHS’. How would that even work? EU had nothing to do with the NHS.
To be objective, they did say we could spend the money we save on the NHS. THE BUS SAID SO!
Bill, if it’s hindering you, then it’s hindering the rest of the global market and stifling trade. Why do you want more of this?
If we’d known today’s realities in 2016 it would have exposed ABSOLUTELY the lies we were being told.
We could start with the £30 billion emergency budget that would have been needed within days of a no vote to the intention to remove national vetoes or the “European army” – which were just deluded and desperate “littel Englander” fantasies – and the thousand and one things in between.
It’s not “reversing brexit”, that is just a rejoiniac masturbatory fantasy.
It would be joining afresh. Negotiating entry including acceptance of all treaties (which could be who knows what in the – probably – ten years before it could even be considered) with five or so years prior of ensuring alignment to whatever Fuhrer dictats they would deign to require.
They would not be able to just join without anybody noticing, but the belief that they somehow could is yet another rejoiniac masturbatory fantasy (and if evidence is required that excess masturbation caused blindness, well……..)
All they’ve done since 2016 is their damnest to cause as much harm to this country as possible, but what had they been doing for the 40 years prior to that?
The Welsh Windbag being appointed EU commissioner was kind of understandable and probably worth it to get rid of the worthless cunt, but quite why we were paying Glenys Kinnock a pension is beyond me. Euro MP or not.
Bill G,
I have not had to do so yet, but I am confident that switching jobs to a firm in the EU, or simply retiring to an EU country, will also need considerably more paperwork than it did eight years ago.
It has been one long stream of more hassle for slightly less benefit.
That other countries won’t let you just wander in is their problem not ours. Has it happens a number of EU countries are trying to make it easier for qualified immigrants. The difference is that you will be expected to learn their language to a minimum standard. But I’m sure you would have done that anyway, so no problem.
But the main benefit was that we can decide who comes here and now have the whole world to choose from, not just the EU and can hold our MPs feet to the fire over it.
That benefit >> than Bill and his mates believing that they could go and work in an EU country or even retire to one if they chose, which very few did.
And just think, that if you Remainers hadn’t gone out of your way to disrupt and even overturn the result we’d probably be in the single market and/or customs union and you may have even had other more favourable deals, but the EU was encouraged to play hard ball, May’s surrender was thankfully overturned and best of all the Supreme Court confirmed that Parliament is sovereign, which will make rejoining even harder.
This is my favourite quote:
In his scathingly brilliant book How They Broke Britain, the LBC presenter James O’Brien describes how the rightwing, Europhobic ecosystem of media, thinktanks and Tory politicians that has developed over the past 40 years prohibits an honest public conversation. Political leadership cowers in its ever-threatening shadow
The right wing media system is so successful that:
– The Conservative Party has been in power for 13 years and failed to properly implement a single Conservative policy
– We are committed to the complete unilateral destruction of our entire economy
– A city the size of Newcastle arrives every year and politicians have no power to stop it
If this is what ‘right wing policies’ are then the Overton Window has passed into a parallel universe something akin to DC’s Bizarroworld
VP – well said.
The Continuity Blair Party.
Remember all our naive hopes the Cleggies and Cameroons – wet as they obviously were – might improve society somewhat?
More recently, optimism came in the unlikely form of Boris Johnson, the unlikely Voldemort of British politics. His downfall came about for the same reason as his previous downfall (that led to Treeza).
Boris is lazy, and outsources everything including his opinions to his “friends” (the very same people who shafted him).
He had the right instincts about lockdowns, and as soon as Covid Regime kicked in, Boris was toast. Any Malcolm Tucker fule knew it meant both open season for anybody connected to the government, and make the entire economy of the United Kingdom hostage to the shrillest wing of the Labour-supporting British medical establishment.
Covid was a battering ram against democracy and freedom.
Chris Miller,
“China has 10% of the world’s acreage (hectarage is such an ugly word) of vines, making it already the third largest wine producer. Most of it is undrinkable piss, suitable only for selling to the natives to adulterate with Coke, but serious winemakers are moving in – look at Chinese cars 10 years ago vs today.”
There’s a few joint ventures going on, like I know that the Rothschild wine and LVMH are putting money into China. I’ve had a bottle of Chinese wine that Sainsburys were selling called Changyu Noble Dragon. I thought it was perfectly drinkable. I wasn’t that keen, but it’s carmenere and I’m not a fan of carmenere generally.
On the deportation of undesirable foreigners, something the Home Office assures us is next to impossible:
The United States is just one arena where the fate of Syria and Syrians is being debated. Turkey, once so hospitable toward Syrian refugees, has over the years begun to spurn them. The Syrians I spoke to said that the welcoming attitude they got when the civil war began has since faded; one told me that he was berated recently on the street in Gaziantep by a stranger for speaking Arabic instead of Turkish.
In fact, a September 2018 poll found that 83 percent of Turks viewed Syrian refugees negatively. A majority of those upset with Syrian refugees cited economic issues like rising unemployment, lower wages and Syrian nonpayment of taxes.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who welcomed Syrian refugees over a decade ago as “our brothers,” decided this year during his reelection campaign to promise the repatriation of a million Syrians back to Syria. His political opposition ran on even harsher measures.
Bill G reminds me of James O’Brien – very convinced, very stupid and very confused. We should welcome him here,where his producer cannot eliminate people who know more than him and have more knowledge and intellect
I mentioned the below to a remainer and his response was “Oh no, we can’t have progress can we?” Erm, I don’t think fraud is progress.
https://archive.ph/5pZSV
Diogenes
Spot on – what’s mildly depressing about Hutton and O’Brien is they remind me of the immediate aftermath of Brexit – I had about half a dozen people on social media feeds posting the same question – ‘name me one piece of legislation form the EU that has a negative impact and you’d scrap’
I posited immediately, CAP, CFP, GDPR, MIFID 2 and REACH and that’s instantaneous- one hour on Europa Lex could yield 50 directives at an absolute minimum, the response was ‘well, none of those affect you!’ To which my riposte ‘So you are saying you don’t eat food, You don’t use any data in your days to day lives, you have no investment and use no chemicals’ – at which point the conversation ended. I am grateful to the late Christopher Booker who really opened my eyes to the EU’s true nature – but my social media Europhiles and the likes of Hutton and O’Brien are either too lazy to do their research or too blinded by Manichaeans ideology to see how rotten the husk is.
Steve
Spot on as ever – for opposing the Ukraine war my commenting ability on the Telegraph has been removed but prior to that I was a staunch opponent of lockdown, which I still consider the greatest single crime by a British government in history. However, the COVID regime has emboldened the likes of XR, JSO and their civil service/ medical profession supporters to imagine that that can be installed permanently. I see little reason to doubt that is their long term goal.