Some advice here

Especially the ‘charities’ that pick up these illegals and dump them on Italian soil.

I don’t understand why Georgie Melons doesn’t just send the bill for housing and feeding all those illegals to the charities trafficking them. And when they refuse to pay, send the bailiffs in (whatever the wop equivalent is) for their assets.

I see it’s the old “give more money to the Africans so they don’t come to you” delusion.

Good luck trying to create European style standards of living in countries with an average IQ hovering around 70.

But the Africanisation of Europe is well underway. Net Zero will bring us very close to the economic success of Botswana.

Monday lunch time in Deutschland…

Anybody heard ‘owt?

https://www.afd.de/

– ist still verboten

The thought of Italy providing economic guidance to fellow third world nations is hilarious.

Unintentionally hilarious, but hilarious nonetheless.

BiND – His mistake was not sinking the ships.

Making Africa richer will, at least in the short to medium term, only serve to increase immigration pressure. You can’t get Africa up to near Western GDP per capita levels overnight. But by increasing Africa’s global connectivity (reducing transport and communication costs) and increasing the wealth of inhabitants, you do increase the number of people who can afford to migrate.

Forty years ago, people making under a dollar day couldn’t afford to make the very expensive journey to the West – there was migration from Africa but it a lot of it was from relatively wealthy areas like North Africa. Now a lot of people in Africa make something in the low thousands of dollars per year, that’s enough for families to scrape the money together to send a son out on the journey, and enough below European salaries for the potential remittances from his income there – even in a minimum wage job – to make it worthwhile.

I did read some research suggesting that Africa’s much improved education level was also a contributor – many countries are at least approaching universal male literacy, lots of kids are completing high school and many countries even have a Western style problem of too many uni graduates, with associated graduate unemployment or underemployment. These youth tend to earn more once they get to Europe (someone who can’t read or write at all would be very limited in what they could do over here) so they have greater “pull” incentives. I also suspect the greater availability of mobile phones and social media is making people realise just how relatively poor they are, which acts as a “push”.

AFD web site appears to work for those in Germany (or IP geo located there) – https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1abhi94/afd_website_appears_to_be_down/

@ Anon
What you’ve said there does chime with Melloni’s “non-predatory approach”.
Because there’s little doubt the open doors immigration policy is highly predatory. It does tend to preferentially strip developing countries of the higher achievers they need to develop. Sure, immigration may fill much needed employment vacancies in say the UK. But that’s at the expense of the countries they’ve come from. The UK’s benefiting from the cost of their education. It is actually a highly regressive policy.

@bis

Yeah. I’d also point out our stereotypes or experiences of immigrants have much more to do with which pool our own countries’ immigration policies are fishing in, than what the population distribution over there is like as a whole. In the USA, the migrant/ethnic group with one of the highest (in fact, highest the last time I looked) chance of having a PhD is Algerian Americans. Even above Chinese. French Algerians? Not so much. But the USA hasn’t been importing millions of low-qualified skint rural Algerians for decades to do menial labour – they’ve been very selective, so the PhD is more likely the ticket that got them stateside in the first place. Similarly, all those Brit ethno-nationalist types working themselves into a fever about how West Africans all have an IQ of 70 despite British West African teens getting very good results at secondary school, often above their white peers. We’re asset-stripping Nigeria of their doctors, dentists and nurses (plus lawyers, accountants, teachers, IT professionals…) so what do you expect? Whereas British Afro-Caribbean teens languish towards the bottom of the educational league tables. Both groups are of West African descent so it’s not some ethnically-inherent genetic thing.* And British Bangladeshis have very poor educational attainment despite their British Indian peers, including Bengalis from the west side of the border, overperforming. But those education-obsessed “Asian parent” stereotypes apply much more to programmers and doctors than they do to curry house owners, so again, no surprises there.

In terms of just how regressive our policies are, it’s worth bearing in mind the prospect of getting a visa to work in the West is one reason families in developing countries are prepared to invest so much in their kids’ education in the first place. But we ought to be feeling worse about it in places where e.g. medical education is heavily subsidised by the state because they’re desperately trying to nurture their own next generation of doctors, while we’re desperately trying to steal them. In some parts of the world, the system is geared up specifically for exports – huge nursing colleges where would-be emigrants from India or the Philippines go to train for example. I believe mostly privately owned and managed, and funded by students’ families stumping up the fees. That’s less outright predatory, particularly if we have a shortage of people prepared to go into nursing and other hands-on caring roles here. Though it’s possible the shortfall is just the market’s way of indicating the pay is too low to be competitive with less crappy (literally) jobs, and the migration policy is just the government’s way of trying to beat the market. Becomes even less explicable when you consider relatively high-wage jobs like doctors being imported despite the very high level of demand for UK medical school places. And whatever role it is we’re sucking these people in to do, they are smart, skilled and motivated people. They might not have done the same roles if they’d stayed in their homelands, and the reduced remittances would make them poorer in the short term, but you do have to wonder what they’d be able to contribute and build there if they’d stayed.

* The stats don’t lie – the next generation of British Nigerian kids are, at least educationally, all right. Which is curious as most people I know who’ve had to deal with their parents on a professional level report that among the good’uns (and I’ve worked with some talented and successful Nigerian migrant professionals, some much better than me) was a worrying or even dangerous proportion who just blag through their job and appear to know next to nothing about their supposed professional specialty. Could only assume all their qualifications had been done to a far lower standard than the UK, or simply bought or faked. Hired out of desperation, I guess. I even have a mate whose job involved sorting out what supposed undergrad and postgrad degrees were real vs fake, the two regions of concern he’d build up an encyclopaedic knowledge of were Nigeria and Bangladesh. A typical hirer without access to such specialist skills could be quite easily fooled by a fake certificate from a genuine university, or an authentic certificate from what’s effectively a “fake” university unworthy of the name. Despite this, their kids on average do very well at school, and presumably this will continue unless we drop our visa requirements lower. The most convincing way I see of squaring this circle is that even these “fake professionals” are, at heart, aspiring to be professional, and have the same aspirations for their kids. Who in classic Nigeran style they’ll beat or otherwise discipline if they don’t do their homework or get good grades. A sort of inter-generational “fake it till you make it”.

@bis

One of the things about diaspora communities is they’re very well placed for the import-export business. Can be legit, can be … very much not. Partly why there’s so much Lebanese and Armenian involvement in the diamond trade, as well as the drugs trade. Something similar applies to a lot of entries on your list.