Just recently we had someone claiming that beating diptheria was one of those NHS victories:
By February 1945, 73% of children received milk in school, compared with 50% in July 1940. Free vaccination against diphtheria was also provided for children at school.
Nowt to do with the NHS at all.
Isnt this the same with TB German Measles and now HPV ? They are general health vaccinations provided in schools. They would happen with or without the NHS.
This is useful
I don’t remember Pertusis being on my jab card. Polio diphtheria tetanus werethere.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/61fab1bae90e0768a4477f4f/UKHSA-vaccine-timeline.pdf
The Midwestern Doctor writes interestingly about all sorts of things – here the smallpox vaccine, and what it has to tell us about other stuff.
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-can-the-smallpox-vaccine-disaster
On the gripping hand who paid for all these vaccines? Presumably the state? (am not an NHS supporter BTW)
Andy @ 10.46, the taxpayer.
1980’s Guinea-Bissau: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(17)30046-4/fulltext
The death rate for those vaccinated was higher than the death rate for the unvaxxed. Not for what they were vaccinated against, but overall mortality. – ” All-cause infant mortality after 3 months of age increased after the introduction of these vaccines”.
Like the covid jabs…….
I just asked my Dutch niece. She was given a Rubella jab when she was still at primaryschool ( late 1990s). The girls were trooped off to the local sports centre for it.
I only read the rubric of that Lancet article, I’ll read it in full later. However there does seemto be an iherent danger of inducinga disease( even mildly ) in babies who live in deprived conditions.
You need to be careful abut replacing one type of vaccine for Disease X by another. Because:
“Christine Stabell Benn is a physician, a professor at the University of Southern Denmark, and a vaccine researcher with almost thirty years of experience in the field. The focus of her research is non-specific vaccine effects, i.e. all those other effects, both positive and negative, that vaccines have on our immune systems and overall health, beyond their very specific ability to protect against one infectious disease.
What she’s found over the course of her research is that the overall effect on mortality varies greatly depending on whether a vaccine is “live” (i.e. contains a weakened but still complete version of the pathogen) or “non-live” (i.e. only contains a small part of the pathogen it’s supposed to protect against).
Live vaccines tend to be associated with a reduction in overall mortality that goes far beyond the protection they offer against the specific pathogen. Non-live vaccines, on the other hand, actually seem to increase overall mortality, so that whatever benefit they provide against a specific pathogen is outweighed by their negative overall health effects. This matters, because there has been a trend over the last few decades to replace live vaccines with non-live vaccines.”
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2022/02/12/non-specific-vaccine-effects-with-dr-christine-stabell-benn/
I’m increasingly coming to the conclusion that the medical so called profession is little more than witch docterism in many of its elements nowadays. Its been utterly compromised by the pharmaceutical industry, and of course has become the puppet of Big Government, so when you speak to a doctor you might as well talk to the the pharma rep they last were paid handsomely by, and the unelected quangocrat who really controls them. Any State employed/paid doctor is not working with the patient’s best interests at heart, rather primarily those of the State bureaucrats who pay for everything, and the pharma industry who have paid off the bureaucrats beforehand. Private doctors may be more genuine, but even they take pharma money, and still have to toe the medical closed shop rules otherwise face losing their licences to practise.
A lot of doctorin’ nowadays is as you say ex cathedra authoritarianism. You SHALL have this treatment because that’s what Holy Writ says is the treatement. No, I shall not think for myself, my job is to do unto you what the Holy Book tells me to do.
Jim (and others) have it backwards. Pharma, particularly American pharma, responds to incentives. They act in response to government signals. Sure, the government may occasionally be reactive but only to feather its own nest.
“Jim (and others) have it backwards. Pharma, particularly American pharma, responds to incentives. They act in response to government signals. ”
And who provides those government signals? Quangocrats who are bought and paid for by big pharma. Whats the easiest way to sell billions of your spiffy new drug? Market it to hundreds of thousands of doctors to prescribe it voluntarily or get the Government bureaucrats to tell every government funded doctor to prescribe it [cough] statins[cough] covid vaccines[cough] ?
Jim/Barks
Had this conversation over 30 years ago with family medics (and others on here have regularly made the same point) . Incentives. Pharma has no financial incentive to provide any cure for anything. Ever. Indeed, the opposite is true, they have every incentive to stifle any such innovation.
Pharma makes money by having as many people as possible chronically ill, needing to take lots of their very expensive (“in patent”) drugs for the remainder of their lives. And ideally from as young an age as is feasibly possible. That’s incentives – do the maths as they say. There was zero charitable endeavour in all those dinners family medics were regularly taken out for, to explain the merits of said wonder drugs that could and should be prescribed. That was 30 years ago; it’s not improved since then….
DM
Many thanks for that link. Spurring on innate immunity – Angus Dalgliesh (and others) seem to be making similar-ish points, all most interesting.
@dearieme What you quoted wouldn’t surprise me at all…
There’s a reason one of the original criticisms towards the wole mRNA vaccine concpet was that it only used the mRNA of a single protein, whereas to mimic the actual virus bursting out of the host cell, it would also need to contain the mRNA of some of the Other Stuff.
Mantle proteins, helper proteins not repackaged into the virus particles. Stuff.
Because introducing a single pathogen protein in any dosis to the body gives… Funny Effects.
Our bodies expect a mix of Not-Us Stuff based on experience.
Poking one Button really hard doesn’t work, and has a decent chance to give overreactions. You need to punch the whole battery, at least half-heartedly to get a proper response.
This is a given with allergies, but it seems no-one has ever thought of the simple fact that this applies to every antigen, including viruses.
It’s actually heresy to think so, since you’re straying from the One True Path of the Mechanistic Body which Medico’s like. Because it’s easy.
It’s one of the reasons actual biologists scoff at the medical profession in general. Most of them are just dillettantes when it comes to grokking what actually happens.
@Barks
Jim (and others) have it backwards. Pharma, particularly American pharma, responds to incentives. They act in response to government signals.
That’s a distinction without a difference.
Big Pharma is the government is Big Pharma.
That explains how you be prosecuted and/or sued for causing many thousands of deaths (see eg Vioxx) and end up being fined/order to compensate to the tune of billions of dollars for demonstrably hiding data showing that your drug was going to kill people, and then sitting back and counting your cash while it actually did kill people, and no-one goes to prison.
In the current context, the virus was created with US taxpayer money, and the ‘vaccine’ was funded with taxpayer money.
To take Pfizer alone, it promised to make all of its trial data available to independent scientists as a quid pro quo for being ‘allowed’ to release this extremely new, highly questionable and rush-developed product which was to be banged into people’s arms under government duress.
Then Pfizer reneged on that pledge and said, ‘No fuck off, we’re not releasing that after all, it’s proprietary data containing lots of, er, personal information, such as serial numbers linked to anonymous individuals who, the fucking idiots, took part in our trials [d’you think they’ll fall for this? Bourla.].’
The US government then went to court to try to get a ruling that Pfizer could keep all of the said data hidden for 75 years.
Read that again.
The US government – ie not Pfizer itself, the fucking government, in the shape of the alleged regulatory authority the Food and drug Administration (FDA) – then went to court to try to get a ruling that Pfizer could keep all of the said data hidden for 75 years.
Thank goodness for a judge in Texas.
But why would the FDA fight on behalf of Pfizer, rather than the US taxpayer?
Well, lookee here!
‘The Food and Drug Administration has moved from an entirely taxpayer-funded entity to one increasingly funded by user fees paid by manufacturers that are being regulated. Today, close to 45% of its budget comes from these user fees that companies pay when they apply for approval of a medical device or drug.’
Not to mention, the cunts at the top of the FDA and the Pharmafascists rotate in and out of each other’s boardrooms and senior exec offices on a permananet basis.
Pfizer court case link:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importance-judge-orders-fda-hasten-release-pfizer-vaccine-docs-2022-01-07/
FDA funding link:
https://theconversation.com/why-is-the-fda-funded-in-part-by-the-companies-it-regulates-160444
@Jim
I’m increasingly coming to the conclusion that the medical so called profession is little more than witch docterism in many of its elements nowadays.
That’s the absolute best gloss you can put on it, Jim. Old drugs developed in a time before today’s insanity – I’d trust most of them. Antiseptics, anaesthetics, surgeons, ditto. If I break my fist punching Rishi Sunak’s teeth down his throat I will go to the quack.
But most of the rest of it is a racket at best and (I now believe) a depopulation engine at worst.