Reform a bigger threat to Tories and country than Labour, claims Lee Anderson
Conservative deputy chairman tells Right-wing party’s leader to be ‘careful what you wish for’
Not because the risk is the same. It’s pretty obvious that Labour’s going to do very well at the next election. It’s not certain that Reform will win a single seat.
But because it’s a different type of risk. Labour is a cyclical risk. Some ol’ two parties swap power. Ho Hum. Reform is – even if a lesser risk – a systemic risk. If Reform ends up permanently capmed out there on the right, 10 – 15% of the votes every time, then the Tories aren’t going to ever win bupkiss. Ever.
Different level of threat – even if with wildly different levels of probability.
I have always voted Conservative.
I’m from a family that has always voted Conservative.
My student children voted Conservative at the last election, probably uniquely among their friends.
I have canvassed for the Tories at one election.
I have been a party member twice, though each time I have resigned in disgust.
I’ve done all this, knowing that they are deeply imperfect, but naïvely believing that they are at least better than the alternatives (in that they more closely respected personal property rights, institutions like marriage, were less inclined to piss my money up the wall, were more inclined to deal with crime and protect our borders etc etc).
I never much liked Johnson, beyond thinking he was vaguely amusing at times, but I did think that the 80 seat majority would inevitably lead to progress in the right direction on some of the above issues.
How fucking wrong can one man be?
I will never vote Conservative again, because they have shown me beyond all doubt that there is no point to it whatsoever.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 15 times and even a bear of little brain such as me begins to realise he’s being bent over and shafted.
I would honestly rather a Labour government got in and ruined the country finally and completely, but openly and expectedly, than that this shower of allegedly ‘Conservative’ shite continually pissed all over me and told me it was raining.
Fuck them all.
And if someone with my voting record is feeling like this, I suspect they are in for a very dark time indeed at the next general election.
If Reform were to permanently win votes on the right hence cripple the Tories ambitions to be in power there would be a fair chance of the grass roots Labour hard left splitting away from the ruling champaign socialists just as the (now seven) Labour councilors have done down in Hastings.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-67726989
The sense of entitlement of the slimy Tory cvnt!
“But Reform is a threat – they are a bigger threat to the country at the moment, I think, than the Labour Party.
“Because if Reform does pick off a lot of us Conservative MPs at the next election, then what’s going to happen is we’re going to end up with a Labour government. “
No, you’ll get a Labour government because the Tories have contrived to lose the election by becoming unelectable. Maybe, if you did the decent thing & died, Reform might have a chance. The library’s that way, the pistol’s on the desk. Try not to get blood on the carpet.
A party with conservative policies was always going to appeal to disenfranchised Tory voters.
If they want to spike Reforms chances the Tories need to undergo a massive rethink and try some conservative policies.
Labour will win, I will vote Reform, donate a few quid, I might even canvas for them.
@ Interested
Excellent summary. Tories have queered their own pitch. Now they get to see the outcome of being useless fuckwits.
I think all we far-right, colonialist, racist, fascist wife-beaters feel it’s better that the fake Tories are flushed away like the dogged jobbie they resemble so that the very few sensible politicians see that there is a possibility that this country can escape the tentacles of the globalist dickheads and revert to being a decent country.
We heard EXACTLY the same re UKIP, the referendum party etc. You’ll let labour in, you’ll let labour in, YOU’LL LET LABOUR IN!!!!!!!!!!! (which essentially was the only argument used against them)
UKIP, referendum party etc didn’t win a single seat.
But here we are, out of toytown austria-hungary and we will never be going back. The rejoiniacs are doing their damnest, but had we all actually voted for and got the tories, where would we be now?
If you are concerned about “europe” and the remorseless determination to whore us to it and mass illegal importation – which many labour voters are – what are labour going to do apart from just carry on?
I assume labour – an utter joke clown world shiteshow of morons (i.e. just like the tories), – will win, but does this actually matter given that tories and labour are pretty well the same thing: whores of the globofilth.
A decent vote for reform – seats are irrelevant and I would posit that perhaps it’s better for them NOT to win any – would show that there is a voice out there saying no. This voice can be publically ignored of course, but it can’t be actually ignored.
The 2024 election, whenever it may actually be, is going to be interesting
This, and the preceding paragraphs, pretty much sums up my thoughts on the tories too. I’ve voted tory in general or local elections, and Ukip in euros, every election since I had the vote, except Brexit Party in 2019. I am never, ever, voting tory again. Ever.
Tories and labour, two cheeks of the same arse – and the permanent government civil serpent blob is the hole in the middle. I used to think it would be better for the country for the labour party to be utterly annihilated first, but now I don’t care which one we start with.
Any other country, you could hope for a right-wing military coup. But looking at the British military, I don’t a soft left gay & transsexual friendly military coup’s going to quite cut it.
Yes, I’ll be voting Reform. I urge everyone to do the same, so that a clear message is sent to the traitorous incompetent shower currently in Government. I know that David Lammy as Foreign Secretary is beyond alarming, but it’s going to happen anyway, so please don’t merely abstain. Whoever is in power this time next year should know that there is a large swathe of the population who have seen through their bullshit. Who knows, it might make them less extreme.
If that doesn’t work, the next option will be a hard man in a military uniform, and I’d rather fix things before we get to that point.
And if you are in any sort of position to do so, keep decapitating ULEZ cameras, berating jobsworths, starving the BBC, and refusing to take shit.
Live not by lies.
Sorry, O/T I know, but have people seen this eulogy for Batwoman on the front page of the BBC’s site?
“Kids Company charity founder and social justice campaigner Camila Batmanghelidjh has died aged 61.
The Iranian-Belgian started the charity in 1996 in south London, to provide support to up to 36,000 deprived and vulnerable inner-city children and young people.
In 2015 she stepped down amid allegations of mismanagement – but a High Court cleared her of wrongdoing.
She died on Monday – her birthday – having been ill for some time.
Ms Batmanghelidjh is said to have spent her last Christmas at home wrapping presents for vulnerable children.”
You are reminding me of the way the Libs here in Oz began to sidle to the right when the Voice for the abos was resoundingly defeated.
Shock!! Horror!! We don’t have to out-left the Labor party to get the plebs to vote for us.
But I suspect like in the UK, it’ll all be a flash in the pan. Of course if I wasn’t a slack, idle bastard, I’d do some research. Maybe good old Pauline, or Katter’s Australia Party, might have better policies. At least Bob Katter wants to shoot the crocodiles.
Lee Anderson is going to get what he deserves and there will be scarcely a moist eye in the country. The country for its part will get a Starmer govt which it doesn’t deserve and a non-crime-hate-incident will be logged against every citizen for resisting “progress”. Thereafter something new and interesting will happen including the abdication of King Charles of the House of Thunberg sheltering in the Tower.
because if Reform does pick off a lot of us Conservative MPs at the next election, then what’s going to happen is we’re going to end up with a Labour government. He runs the risk of losing a lot of Tory seats, seats like mine
IT’S AFRAID!
“Nigel and Ben [Habib, Reform’s deputy leader] and Richard, they’re all wealthy men, self-made men, good luck to them.
“But you know what, if Starmer gets the keys to No 10, they can go back to their nice big plush houses, penthouses, country retreats, whatever, shut the curtains and get on with their life – they’ll be OK. The people I worry about [are] the people in Ashfield.”
Won’t somebody think of the poor-but-honest Tory MP’s?
What do you mean, “no”???
In a direct plea to Mr Tice, Mr Anderson added: “Richard, I think you’re a great man, I think your heart’s in the right place for the country but just be careful what you wish for… I agree with pretty much 80 per cent of what you say. Do you really want to get rid of MPs like me?”
Lol, goodbye Lee.
I’m sure it’s just another of Batmanjelly’s scams.
@ TMB
“The country for its part will get a Starmer govt which it doesn’t deserve” this I disagree with. The country is full of self-entitled, work shy and lazy people who take no personal responsibility for anything. The answer to any problem is “more government”.
To be honest, a good hard dose of Labour is what the country needs so we can move on to something that actually is an improvement.
Sam – Ms Batmanghelidjh is said to have spent her last Christmas at home wrapping presents for vulnerable children
Fucking hell, I thought North Korean news was bad. 😀
Batmanghelidjh ‘died on her birthday after months of illness’, says The Times.
Looks like ‘months of illness’ – with both the number of months and the illness left unspecified – is the new ‘died suddenly’.
My money’s on turbo cancer, but I suppose it could be a stroke where she lingered for a while.
Interested – by the sounds of it, we should bury Batmanjelly (PBUH) and await her glorious return in three days.
@Steve – tee hee.
Meanwhile, the amusing hits just keep on coming:
Another tragic loss as an otherwise young and healthy man suddenly drops dead.
Lt. Col. Jered Little, “commander of Public Health Activity-Hawaii,” was proudly advertised en masse to encourage uptake of the COVID Vaccine.
He died suddenly on Nov. 30 of a heart attack or stroke.
At least it’s mainly thinning out the right people.
https://granitegrok.com/blog/2023/12/us-military-poster-boy-for-covid-vaxx-dies-suddenly-at-the-age-of-39
Sam
It isn’t really O/T because JellyRollBatman was a symptom of the age and decadent politics to which we are subjected.
Grifters like that woman and the one with the made up Nigetian name thrive in the climate of credulity and stupidity in which our politicians live. I ran into one a few weeks ago, giving a talk about music education of all things, he was transparently on the make and had latched onto the Holy Grail of UN funding in his quest fir self aggrandisement.
Oue education system has much to do with this, because even in the upper echelons of the private sphere, the Marxists have been at work. The universities have been a lost cause for a long time. The teachers at my school and lecturers at Uni were all hard left and in many cases active communists – this was in the mid 1980s.
When we see the reality of Labour in power we see the narcissism coupled with abject incompetence of Drakeford pr Khan. They are aided and abetted by a complacent and lazy civil service, whose layers above the clerks are inhabited by the same Marxist indoctrinees as the politicuans.
Truly we are fucked.
Reform who? Are they the ones with failed actor Lawrence Fox, or the leftovers from UKIP?
Either way, they just aren’t on my political radar:
I haven’t seen them on Question Time.
I haven’t heard them on the radio.
I haven’t read their articles in the press.
I haven’t even seen their tweets getting retweeted by others, and I follow plenty of very right-wing people on there.
If Reform exists, they’re trying their hardest not to let anyone know.
I’m just like Interested.
Tories up to now, except in euro elections when it was UKIP and once for BNP to EU parliament for a laugh. Actually got a seat or two in EU parliament as well, which was even funnier. The clutching of pearls could be heard miles away.
No more votes for Tories. They’re shit. And talking to my friends who are similarly politically inclined, they’ll be voting Reform as well.
Another ex-conservative voter here. They’ve utterly failed in every single area. I wasn’t expecting miracles but God almighty, an 80 seat majority totally pissed away.
Unfortunately, we still have about 4 or 5 tiny alternative parties that almost nobody has heard of. Once the tories are cleared out maybe that will change.
Andrew M
Reform who? Are they the ones with failed actor Lawrence Fox, or the leftovers from UKIP?
Which is interesting given that they are currently running at about 10% or so in the polls. If they managed to obtain some more useful publicity/funding..??
Interested – I was reading an article in the paper recently, can’t find it just now but it admitted a very large percentage of people who got Covid jabs suffered adverse reactions.
The article was explaining this away as a big nothing, but Steve remembers more than 5 minutes ago, when you could get banned from the Internet for questioning the Safe and Effective Mystery Jabs and official government advice was that the Mystery Jabs not only stopped you from catching Covid (lie), but also stopped other people catching it from you (lie).
For Covid, see Otto’s observations about our ridiculously gay elites and their love of tinge whinge grifters such as Batmanjelly.
Same thing, Covid was just Batmanjelly in viral form. Because Covid was used to push a form of medicalised authoritarian socialism that Batmanjelly would have wholeheartedly approved of.
PS – Batmanjelly’s greatest quote:
Camila Batmanghelidjh: ‘I’m seen as out-of-control mad female white men have to control’
White men couldn’t get enough of her voluminous folds. Many such cases! Sad!
I haven’t even seen their tweets getting retweeted by others, and I follow plenty of very right-wing people on there.
Being on or even interested in (formerly known as twatter) pretty well defines you as ‘not the average voter’.
Reform has five policies to “save Britain“:
Raise personal threshold to £20,000.
Cut spending.
Remove EU regulations.
One in, one out policy on immigration.
Scrap Net Zero commitment.
Sounds good to me. I don’t expect them to win, but I have nothing to lose by voting for them.
Always worth bearing in mind, few of these cvnts – if any – are in any way socialists. Socialism is just a means they can employ to satisfy their individual grubby entrepreneurial aims. See – Sage of Ely.
“The teachers at my school and lecturers at Uni were all hard left and in many cases active communists – this was in the mid 1980s”
Over a decade earlier (when I wuz at gramer skool), my history teacher was a disciple of Chairman Mao…
@Steve
I was reading an article in the paper recently, can’t find it just now but it admitted a very large percentage of people who got Covid jabs suffered adverse reactions.
Yep, loads of studies on that. It’s probably why the jab clinics in eg New York pre-arranged for ambulances to be on standby nearby (as was revealed a few days ago).
Meanwhile, two 52-year-old BA stewards just upped and died on planes inside a week…
A BRITISH Airways crew member collapsed and died while on duty in front of shocked passengers.
The 52-year-old steward tragically collapsed as the busy flight from London Heathrow to Hong Kong prepared to depart. ..
…A second BA steward, also 52, died in the US on December 23.
After his sudden death the flight from Newark to London Heathrow was cancelled, with passengers re-booked onto later flights.
Lucky it wasn’t the pilots, on final approach, I guess.
(Five Singapore Airline pilots died in the last month or so, though, so it’s getting to look a bit like a shit lottery.)
Two blokes in my village dropped dead over the Christmas period, one very suddenly, and I was collared outside the pub by a mate of mine whose brother died suddenly in his sleep the day after Boxing Day.
This bloke – a fit and keen cyclist, has himself been suffering from absurdly racing heartbeats and sudden high blood pressure since he had the you-know-whats.
I’ve been pointing out the issues to him for months and he’s gone from ‘fuck off you mad conspiracy theorist’ to ‘ooh this is weird’ to ‘I don’t want to talk about it any more’.
I expect a lot of people are feeling very twitchy.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25233892/tragedy-as-british-airways-steward-dies/
“One in, one out policy on immigration.”
That’s got to be the biggest objection to Reform. Out of touch with how the population feels about immigration which is relaxed about people coming to work or study, and not happy about people arriving in small boats or to marry their cousins.
And how does 1 in 1 out work anyway? Is there a country that has this system, who does the counting, are visas issued with leave to remain or no recourse to pubic funds, how does the queuing operate and where’s the waiting room (Mull ?).
“The teachers at my school and lecturers at Uni were all hard left and in many cases active communists – this was in the mid 1980s”
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Over a decade earlier (when I wuz at gramer skool), my history teacher was a disciple of Chairman Mao…
When I was at school we tried endlessly to get our teachers engaged in political discussion, they were all scrupulous. We couldn’t even get them to tell us which union they were in.
That was a Grammar in the very Labour Huddersfield and a Comprehensive in Liberal/Conservative Pickering.
Like most here I have normally voted Conservative but won’t be this time and probably never again. The only thing that might get me out is if it was going to be a close LibDem/Conservative seat. My loathing of LibDems surpasses my current loathing of the Conservatives by some margin.
The recent news story about the urgent need to release prisoners says everything we need to know about their lazy and incompetent governance. They go around demanding harsher jail sentences and creating ever more laws but don’t create any more prisons or even prison gardens and then look surprised at the overcrowding stories.
BiND
And that’s assuming that the crims get to trial. There is a backlog that ,akes a NHS waiting list look like the queue for the dip in a Shaun the Sheep cartoon.
Apparently many accused are pleading guilty, because the wait for trial is longer than any sentence they’ll get and by fessing up they just receive a slap on the wrist.
@Bongo
“One in, one out policy on immigration.”
That’s got to be the biggest objection to Reform.
Yep, one in, 500 out would suit me. I’d prefer 5000, but I understand the issues.
I live in one of the safest Labour constituencies. The cons got 16% last time and will obviously get less in 2024. So I suspect Reform won’t even bother to register a candidate.
I suppose a spoiled ballot is the only “vote” I’ll have.
Weird, I’ve been having incidents of absurdly racing heartbeats. Such that I started keeping a record a couple of weeks ago. It will just start out of nowhere. I’ll be sat at the computer, possibly staring into space pondering the next few lines of code, nothing streuous like looking at (“reading” is too strong a word) news outlets. I’ve been calling it “anxiety”, but it hasn’t seemed to be corellated with the usual mind wandering back to “oh shit, why did I do that when I was 19” stuff.
@jgh
According to my mate (a cardiologist, so not entirely uninformed), there can be many causes but it’s worth getting yourself checked out.
Obviously I suspect vaccine injury, because I now can’t see a blue light ambulance without assuming it contains a jab victim, but if you weren’t jabbed it’s still something that happens and should be investigated.
Hope it all turns out ok.
Jgh – please, what Interested said. See your doctor.
You mentioned anxiety. I hope you’re not suffering from anxiety. That’s a fucker of a mental injury. Not something to hope will go away on its own.
If you think you might have anxiety problems, please, please, please don’t suffer. Talk to the doc, get a referral if you need one. There’s plenty of ways they can help these days.
Keep your chin up. It’s going to be fine.
jgh – you ought to get some medical advice and please don’t allow yourself to be fobbed off with excuses like “the GP practice is very busy” or “dial 111” or “go to A&E”. If need’s be, camp by the receptionist’s desk until someone with a stethoscope checks you over. The medical profession has lied to us consistently for the last three years so deserve little in the way of deferential courtesies.
Good luck!
Yeah jgh. Do have yourself checked. I’ve noticed a tremor in my right arm. Vaccine injury? Damned if I know. However I did allow my family to push me into the jabs. Of course if I was consistent I’d have myself checked over one of these days.
Bloke in North Dorset
January 3, 2024 at 3:31 pm
I naturally feel the Singapore solution is best. A few whacks with the rattan’d make the punishment quick and cheap. As for the murderers and such, I understand the Singaporeans still hang ’em. That saves on prison space as well.
A trifle OT. I’m wondering when good old Trump is going to start his campaign to have all the Dems deemed insurrectionists. After all, if a minor riot is an ‘insurrection’, the Black Lives Matter revolt definitely comes into that category. And they were all for it.
Which leads inevitably to the fact that all Yanks are insurrectionists. I understand it’s part of their constitution. Clearly the only person who can legitimately rule the place is Charlie.
Or perhaps he’ll delegate the job to Harry? Meaghan’d certainly be overjoyed to be Queen.
@Boganboy
However I did allow my family to push me into the jabs.
No shame in that BB – if I was ten or twenty years older I’d probably have had them merely by dint of being higher up the system.
As it was, at my (relatively) young age I was low enough down the alleged priority list to be able to spend time reading about them.
(I was also fortunate that I had the necessary time, which a lot of people didn’t; the evil bastards relied on a mixture of busy people, scared people, browbeaten people, people who thought they were helping others, and trusting people [and stupid people like my own brother, who only had them so he could go on bloody holiday, despite the warnings he was getting from me and our heartily sceptical sister], and anyone can get caught out by a combination of those.)
@Interested, January 3, 2024 at 8:46 am
Your post is identiical to what I’d write
I voted for Maggie in first year at Uni – as did most of my class
Resigned ~1994 when I realised Major was a socialist as have every PM since
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Reform’s Ben Habib to stand in Wellingbourgh by-election
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The jab clinics in eg New York pre-arranged for ambulances to be on standby nearby
Here:
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/01/02/put-ambulance-vaccine-detail-on-standby-shocking-new-foi-reveals-new-york-vaccine-clinics-giving-heads-up-to-emergency-services/