False prophets are peddling conspiracy theories about Ireland’s history. Here’s the truth
Emma DabiriFrom Russell Brand to Steve Bannon, pundits are distorting our past oppression – when it should be a source of solidarity with refugees
OK, so that might be a theory worth testing.
Western liberal democracies are apparently inhabited by vast and increasing numbers of disaffected, dissatisfied citizens who could conceivably put populists in power on both sides of the Atlantic over the coming year. Donald Trump’s White House comeback bid should be the stuff of dystopian fantasy, not a news story. But as Naomi Klein describes brilliantly in her new book, Doppelganger, our collective trajectory away from reality seems to be in freefall.
Ah, describing Naomi Klein as brilliant. It’s bollocks, isn’t it.
Come in, Ye Blacks and Tans
Come in and stab me like a man
Show your wives you got a council house
In Dublin
Woman of Sub-Saharan African parentage says she represents the real interests of the Irish…
“There are good reasons why younger men fleeing war often have no choice but to make their way to the west alone. But the “single, male, unvetted” idea resides in an old prejudice that is seductively powerful for racists and xenophobes.”
What are the good reasons for younger men fleeing war? Who’s doing the fighting?
What are the good reasons for younger men fleeing war?
The kuffar will give them a free house, and then fast track all their relatives to a lifetime of benefits?
“Why are populist narratives gaining so much traction even in mainstream political discourse?”
Because, possibly, all things considered, the bulk of “populist narrative” isn’t “narrative” but a mere listing of observable facts which people then have an Opinion about.
Which, as it happens, generally doesn’t align with yours.
That “narrative” thing… you’re projecting, m’dear.
To quote Carly Simon:
‘I know nothing stays the same
But if you’re willing to play the game
It will be coming around again’
Western liberal democracies are apparently inhabited by vast and increasing numbers of disaffected, dissatisfied citizens who could conceivably put populists in power on both sides of the Atlantic over the coming year
Whereas they should respond to the invasion of the country by often hostile newcomers with a shrug and a cup of coffee? Also apparently the UK has had populists in power since 2019 – and a lot of difference it has made…
Donald Trump’s White House comeback bid should be the stuff of dystopian fantasy, not a news story. But as Naomi Klein describes brilliantly in her new book, Doppelganger, our collective trajectory away from reality seems to be in freefall.
By rigging the election and disenfranchising a higher vote than Reagan we were supposed to have put this all to bed – guess we go to plan B
Why are populist narratives gaining so much traction even in mainstream political discourse? Perhaps the truth is too boring or complex for our shortened attention spans: after all, who has the time to make sense of reality when we can entertain ourselves with fantasy?
I’d agree – all the public money spent on fantasies like ‘net Zero’ and ‘The Patriarchy’ and ‘Institutional Racism’ needs to be withdrawn post haste – start shredding the entire DEI industry as its all based on manifest fantasy.
Vanishingly few politicians keep their promises, which fuels a sense that we may as well just listen to the best storyteller, or the best shit-poster, whoever gets us riled up most effectively.
Politicians seem to have adopted the old maxim my brewery workforce (in a past career) had – in that their behaviour can best be described with the phrase ‘I know you’re lying, your lips are moving’
Ireland has so far been spared a far-right or anti-immigrant political party. But the Dublin riots last November, and a more recent spate of blockades and arson attacks on buildings meant for the accommodation of asylum seekers, or rumoured to be such, suggest a mood change
Given most people such as yourself characterize the UK Conservatives as ‘Far Right’ that’s a broad church indeed and speaks as to how total the Left wing takeover of Ireland is – there doesn’t seem to even be a Centre there,
It is not far-fetched to imagine a Trump presidency radicalising this mood to produce a more menacing populist landscape. The one we have is already being contaminated by imported far-right tropes and conspiracy theories.
The ‘enemy within’ as assessed by someone whose biography reads thus
‘Dabiri was born in Dublin to an Irish mother and a Nigerian Yoruba father. After spending her early years in Atlanta, Georgia, her family returned to Dublin when Dabiri was five years of age’
The spiritual heir of De Valera….
Russell Brand and Steve Bannon were quick to chime in after the riots, interpreting and distorting the significance of events in Ireland for international consumption. According to their “alt-right” narrative, the violence had nothing to do with racism against refugees – despite unambiguous messages of incitement such as “kill foreigners, kill migrants” circulating online at the time. Rather, Brand told his millions of devoted YouTube subscribers, the events were an outpouring of the entirely reasonable concerns of honest, ordinary working-class people, people who need to protect themselves and their children, because the remote elites that govern them have no intention of doing so.
Whereas the coming chants of ‘Kill the Jews’ ‘Kill Whitey’ and so on are simply cries for help because ‘only white people can be racist’? The constant drumbeat of ‘White privilege’ and ‘White Supremacy’ disseminated in all higher education institutions and the national media, and which dominate the zeitgeist in Ireland as they do in the UK have no impact and aren’t in the slightest bit racist?
Brand is right that Ireland is a unique case among majority white, English-speaking nations in that it was not itself a coloniser. In many respects, Ireland has more in common with other colonised countries than it does with imperialist ones.
I think by the time this daft bint was born her Father’s homeland had already looted 100 million in Aid from their former colonisers – that grift continues to this day. Nice work if you can get it (or a piece of it) of course
Nonetheless, while Ireland was subjugated, Irish people also came to be racialised as white. Their inclusion within the hierarchy of race as “white” means Irish people can be manipulated emotively to believe that Irishness and whiteness are the same thing. The constant refrain I heard growing up, despite being born and raised in Dublin, and my mother and maternal ancestry being Irish, was that I couldn’t really be Irish because my father was Nigerian. I was not white, and therefore not Irish. The same argument was not made to friends who, like me, had one non-Irish parent when that parent was white.
Where’s Norman Tebbit to wheel out when you need him? – perhaps Michael Collins and De Valera might have balked at the idea that an emigre to the US from half Nigerian stock might not be a pure Fenian. Regrettable perhaps but I haven’t seen many (if any) White Nigerians in any of their sports teams – maybe I’ll get my offspring to ask for a transfer – might go down well on the streets in Port Harcourt.
In the space of just two decades, Ireland has transformed from the almost entirely homogeneous country it was when I was a child into one that is far more diverse. According to the last census, 20% of Ireland’s population were born elsewhere. A discussion about where or how asylum seekers are accommodated and helped to integrate is entirely justified, but that requires clear progressive leadership.
So they (asylum seekers) have to be accommodated and integrated? You can’t refuse the claims of anyone and perhaps say they ought to remain where they are? And any discussion can’t veer into ‘populist narratives’??
In its absence, populists are able to misdirect legitimate public anger away from the government to powerless migrants and refugees. Ireland has one of Europe’s worst housing crises, while its public services, education, hospitals and mental health services are all chronically underfunded. Combined with an asylum system near breaking point, this means that an “Ireland is full” rallying cry can easily whip up resentment.
This is the sole paragraph that has a kernel of truth in that the Irish government appears to be some kind of EU satrapy headed up by a jackanapes elected solely on the grounds of his sexual orientation but that doesn’t mean their response to asylum is the main issue.
The relatively new diversity provides an age-old scapegoat. Ideas promoted online by ideologues, demagogues, rightwing grifters and bad-faith actors seeking to cultivate a power base – many of them UK- and US-based – are spreading a nativist ideology. Take a dehumanising and racist trope about asylum seekers that refers to “single, unvetted, military-age men”. These men are supposedly arriving in frightening numbers, posing a grave threat to sovereignty, security and the purity of the Irish people, leaving women supposedly afraid to venture out at night.
Whereas of course those who seek to, as Enoch Powell warned use the immigrants as a fulcrum on which to make wide ranging and fundamental alterations to society without a democratic mandate and conceal that fact from the electorate are the very definition of ‘good faith actors’ ?
No mention, of course, of black Irish women such as Alanna Quinn, who lost her eye in an unprovoked attack by a group of white Irish men, or Mia O’Neill, who took her own life after years of racist bullying by white Irish neighbours in Tipperary. I suppose in the eyes of those who spuriously claim to want to protect Irish women and children, they’re “not really Irish”.
Just googled Alanna Quinn and there’s about 10 pages of entries at least – so I think she’s been highlighted. They may be behind the UK but in a short time the mentions of crimes committed by foreigners against natives will be removed and swept from Google and other MSM related search engines – have no fear on that score.
There are good reasons why younger men fleeing war often have no choice but to make their way to the west alone. But the “single, male, unvetted” idea resides in an old prejudice that is seductively powerful for racists and xenophobes.
They couldn’t head East to Russia or the Far East? Are you saying it’s possible to have effective immigration controls?
Tim, thanks for posting – good to see the Guardian coming up with people who can rival Murphy in the idiocy stakes – they seem to have an inexhaustible supply!!
Irish people also came to be racialised as white.
What colour were they previously?
Marius, mostly woad and ochre. Definitely a suntan.
Also most definitely not sub-Saharan melanin-excessive. If anything, more like asians, Inuit, or possibly even “indiginous american”.
The peeps that moved Up and Around with the retreating ice.
Followed by… umm.. oh wait… the Caucasians and Aryans, who moved East to West, replacing whatever was there. Then the Angles, Saxons, Danes/Normans… Skipping a couple, but still…
The british isles and Ireland have always been the Last Stop of the Losers. Ireland doubly so.
What colour were they previously?
Green?
No mention, of course, of black Irish women such as Alanna Quinn, who lost her eye in an unprovoked attack by a group of white Irish men, or Mia O’Neill, who took her own life after years of racist bullying by white Irish neighbours in Tipperary. I suppose in the eyes of those who spuriously claim to want to protect Irish women and children, they’re “not really Irish”.
They’re as Irish as white farmers in South Africa are Africans.
“conspiracy theories about Ireland’s history”: full of conspiracies, Irish history.
Not that it matters: “All Irish history is lies” said my Irish Grandpa.
So when England sent settlers to Ireland that was bad. And the locals outrage was justified and understandable.
But sub-Saharan settlers in Ireland are good. And the locals outrage is just waycism.
Is that a fair summary?
‘So when England sent settlers to Ireland that was bad.’
But Andrew, you’re forgetting that those settlers were white.
“Ireland is a unique case … in that it was not itself a coloniser”
What the actual FUCK?!?!?!?!????? Who the FUCK does she think settled and made up 80% of the population of New England?!?!?!?1//1/1//!??!??/
https://meanwhileinireland.com/is-barack-obama-irish-surprising-roots/
John F. Kennedy, Theodore Roosevelt, George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton have all claimed Irish heritage. In fact, it has been said that 23 out of the 46 American Presidents have made connections to Ireland throughout the generations. Now that’s astonishing!
Not if there’s votes to be had, and let’s not forget this one:-
Joe Biden says ‘I may be Irish but I’m not stupid’
“Ireland is a unique case … in that it was not itself a coloniser”
So how come Scotland got its name from an Irish tribe?
“Ireland is a unique case … in that it was not itself a coloniser”
Also because it was part of the English/British domain and its people were employed or recruited to do the colonising ( or transported to the Barbadoes and Australia )
Anyway there’s alwaus Ambrose O’Higgins 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosio_O%27Higgins,_1st_Marquess_of_Osorno
John
And Jimmy Carter, bless him, is a Geordie by extraction.
Otto,
Back in the late 1970’s I was a student at the University of Newcastle at the time when Carter visited the city and mangled the phrase “Howay the Lads” while speaking outside Newcastle Poly.
The Geordie crowd cheered loudly but then again they did most things loudly being permanently inebriated.
Happy Days.
O course, until the 20th century, Ireland was part of the UK. When was the Empire at its height? he eighteenth century. Oh…
Nick,
When you’ve only existed as a country for 103 years and spent much of that fighting your former countrymen in a virtual civil war (while chickening out of an actual World War) it doesn’t leave much capacity for invading anyone.
The Republic is such a failed experiment.
Their panic during the post-Brexit discussions belied their supposed confidence in themselves as a viable economic entity, which is why they got their overlords to attempt to bully the newly independent UK, which worked, partially.
It’s time for them to recognise the failure of their so-called independence, and re-fold back into the UK. Which incidentally also finally solves the NI question.
Ireland is a failed state, but the UK isn’t far behind so we’ll see the Paddies when we see them.
We’ve talked about this before, but it’s not a coincidence that basically every white majority country on earth is being targeted for exactly the same type of destruction at the same time.
The English never colonised Ireland, they were brought there as innocent and powerless peasants by Danish slave traders, or later by their aristocrat Norman conquerors. It wasn’t the Saxon King Harald who conquered Ireland in the 12th century it was some Norman guy with written permission from the then Norman pope.
The English conquered Roman Britain, only after five centuries of Romans murdering and abusing the poor people of Germany. The Anglo-Saxon didn’t touch the Welsh, the Irish or the lands of the Picts, only the Roman territory.
It’s time for them to recognise the failure of their so-called independence, and re-fold back into the UK.
Sod off!
Southern Ireland rejoins the UK I’ll be burning my UK passport.
Toytown Austria-Hungary is the bed Ireland very much chose to lie in and there is not the slightest shred of evidence that they want to get out of it.
It’ll be coming for them. I doubt if they really understand what that really means.
No sympathy, not a shred.
Andrew C, got it in one. Mrs Grist watched a programme with SIR (!) Tony Robinson about the wild west.
The vile, disgusting white invaders provoked the peaceful American Indians to justified violence.
I did note that the little commie “comedian”‘s fellow traveler, dusky Gary Lineker (allegedly himself subject to racist bullying as a young man and definitely, absolutely never just called “jug ears”) thought that we weren’t welcoming enough to our invaders and that WE were vile and disgusting…
And Jimmy Carter, bless him, is a Geordie by extraction.
So’s Killery – my b-i-l’s missus is distantly related, being born a Rodham.