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Piddling little matter

As the Guardian reports this morning:

Protesters who wear masks could face arrest, up to a month in jail and a £1,000 fine under proposed measures that human rights campaigners claim are pandering to “culture war nonsense”.

The Guardian adds:

Demonstrators will no longer be able to use the right to protest as a reasonable excuse if they commit public order offences such as serious disruption.

A change in the law. Maybe a good one, maybe a bad one, but a change in the law all the same.

When do we admit that we live in a state where the rule of law no longer applies?

This is the rule of law, obviously.

56 thoughts on “Piddling little matter”

  1. Shami Chakrabarti, the human rights lawyer and peer, said:

    Remember, Shami Chakrabarti earned her peerage by lying about anti-Semitism.

    “Should rape victims or refugees peacefully protesting really be punished for covering their faces to protect their identities?

    She has a point, it would be awkward if rape victims and their rapists turned up at the same protest.

  2. “When do we admit that we live in a state where the rule of law no longer applies?”

    When the state allows favoured groups to stop people going about their lawful business and to intimidate others.

  3. Steve: “it would be awkward if rape victims and their rapists turned up at the same protest.”

    And they are very likely to, if the protest is against ongoing Islamification. Muslims are very hard on rapists (providing they confess, of course, and there is CCTV and multiple male witnesses) and even harder on the victims.

  4. I think Sam Vara, as he often does, has it nailed.

    If you aren’t protesting on behalf of Hamas or an Environmental Terrorist group (or some other fashionable group) then you are subject to the Full ‘Rule of Law’ – if on the other hand you are a vicious anti-semite or advocate of mass human extinction expect to be subject to the mildest of reproaches, if any…

  5. We live in a state absolutely chock full of the rule of law.
    What does he think those cunts in parliament do all day?

  6. We already have plenty of laws. Wearing a mask while breaking them is not particularly relevant.

    The police do not enforce the laws we have. If this comes in, they won’t enforce it.

  7. ‘Muslims are very hard on rapists’

    That explains all the extra judicial punishments meted out in the last twenty years in Rotherham, Telford, Oxford and an estimated 70 other towns where they’ve been raping girls in the thousands.

    I have had the painful privilege of being alongside and trying to help some of those who have suffered horrific abuse by grooming gangs. They have described, in heart-wrenching detail, the vulnerability of young girls to persistent, brutal and repeated rape. Noble Lords may be aware of the case of Sarah—not her real name—which has been reported as one of the worst sex grooming cases on record. She describes how she was kidnapped aged 15, imprisoned in a house, forced to learn the Koran and beaten when she made mistakes. She was held as a sex slave for 12 years and was repeatedly raped by different members of the grooming gang. She had three forced Sharia marriages, eight forced abortions and two live births. Her abusers referred to her as “white trash”. They forced her to wear Islamic dress and permitted her to speak only Urdu and Punjabi. She has not received the help she needs from social services and is frequently suicidal.

    Maybe it wasn’t actually rape, in a way, if Sarah learned the Koran afterwards. After all, muslims are very hard on rapists and she was repeatedly raped by muslims, so that makes no sense otherwise.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2019-05-14/debates/349FA275-CB65-45C0-87C7-EE16D1FD1B0A/GroomingGangs

  8. Anyway, at least this means we won’t be asked to wear masks at the pro muslim protests when they release their next exciting virus.

    (Did anyone on here wear masks last time by the way? I did at the supermarket once or twice, to make my wife happy – she didn’t believe any of the shit about masking, she just didn’t like getting stared at. But I rapidly realised that didn’t want to live like that, even if it upset my wife, whom I love dearly, so I said fuck this and never wore one again. Never had any grief of anyone, even though they were 99% complying, and before long my wife stopped wearing one too.)

  9. @Interested: I did try a minor satirical protest by wearing my face mask on my forehead but realised that so many people already wore them with their noses protruding that the gesture was futile.

  10. “Did anyone on here wear masks last time by the way?”

    Not really. And never one of those face nappy things. I just bought myself one of those neck warmer things that you can pull up over your face, and half heartedly used that if I had to go into a shop or somewhere that demanded masks.

  11. Interested – my first introduction to multiculturalism was when the cheerful Pakistani shopkeeper, apropos of nothing, called my mother a whore.

    It’s been an educational journey.

    I wore a mask for about 5 minutes because my wife nagged me about it, but also quickly stopped and never had a bad experience raw-facing life. She insisted on continuing to wear the face-knickers, because women are highly susceptible to social pressure even when they know how ridiculous it is.

    It’s like women think signs are magic or something. I try to explain that “rules” aren’t real, but no-one’s ever seen what I mean from the age of nineteen.

  12. I invested £2.99 in an internet purchased lanyard which proudly announced that I was exempt from wearing a face covering. Only one person ever asked why and I explained that if I put on a face covering I had psychotic panic attacks and starting hitting anyone near me.

  13. Interested

    Nope, and what Andrew C said, although having bought it I never took it out or used it.

    And no one ever asked “why” (after hearing “It’s OK, I’m exempt”) – it was illegal to ask anyway unless you were plod (or similar) and they were never interested at all, not once.

    I did carefully read the Statutory Instruments (2020/592 and 2020/791 from memory) and quickly realised that anyone (and I mean absolutely anyone) had about 2 or 3 perfectly valid exemptions included under Section 4 and to which “medical” (and no further comment needed) was an entirely valid and (complete) legal response to any police officer if ever they were minded to ask why. And they knew that (after some initial teething/training), which I suspect is why mostly they didn’t ask.

  14. @Joe Smith

    Did all you anti-mask rebels also avoid taking the killer jabs? Or did your wife make you do that as well?

    Speaking only for myself, obviously, my wife didn’t ‘make’ me do anything.

    I chose to wear a mask a couple of times because she was initially frightened, and it’s my job to do what I can to make her happy and to alleviate any worries and concerns she might have, about anything.

    Thereafter I said I wasn’t going to wear one any more, and pointed out that they didn’t work against airborne viruses (it even said so on the boxes in which the silly things were sold), and reassured her that statistically there was nothing to worry about. As I said, she soon saw through the bullshit and joined me.

    I said I got no grief, but I did get one small fat man and his very ugly wife following me around Waitrose scowling at me, but whenever I looked at them they shrank back and looked away. When I left the shop they were loitering outside, so I asked him what the fuck he was looking at. By way of response he mumbled ‘Nothing’ and they slunk away. Was that you?

    Neither we nor our children were ‘vaccinated’. We’re all doing fine, thanks. Unlike quite a few people we know who were less cautious, and are now unable to shake off colds, quite ill, or dead.

    Did all you pro-mask grovellers take the killer jabs?

  15. If it’s an excuse, it’s not reasonable.
    If it’s reasonable, it’s not an excuse.

    A “reasonable excuse” is impossible, it’s a contradiction.

  16. Actually, I lie, now I remember. A bartender in a pub did once stroppily ask “how” (after hearing exempt). I simply retorted “how dare you challenge me” at which point the penny dropped and she backed off very quickly realising she had broached her training (potentially putting the pub at risk of a hefty fine).

    “Waitrose scowling at me”

    Ah, yes, I suspect we all got variations of that over the period. Idiot fuckwits. 🙂

  17. Bloke in North Dorset

    Did anyone on here wear masks last time by the way?

    Even though I didn’t believe they worked I wore them before the were mandated. There’s a lot of old people round here and they were quite scared and it signalled that I understood it was a serious disease. I quickly learned it was a fools errand trying to argue with them that the didn’t work: the BBC had pronounced so that was it.

    When they became mandatory the signalling fell away but I was under pressure from the wife to wear one, she’s a big one for social conformity. The compromise was that I’d wait in the car while she did the supermarket shopping and if I had to wear one when I couldn’t avoid it I minimised the time as much as possible.

    I think they are still a good signalling mechanism in a voluntary situation. We were at the East/West German border museum last year and there was a big family group and one of the young adults, around 20, wore one inside but she took it off outside, none of the others wore one. The rest of us kept a respectful distance. No idea what was wrong with her but it seemed a polite thing to do.

  18. BiND

    The rest of us kept a respectful distance. No idea what was wrong with her but it seemed a polite thing to do.

    This is spot on and there is an irony in this. If there is no compulsion, my instinct is the same, to keep my distance from those that wear them. Politeness, they are obviously concerned, whatever. But with compulsion, you have no way of knowing. For (serious) mask wearers, they should prefer that it’s voluntary and then we all know where we stand/can act accordingly? Two pennies..

  19. @PF

    I think it’s easier for men to assert themselves, I suppose for obvious reasons.

    My wife – who is actually quite assertive, for a woman – just didn’t want the grief.

    After a month or two, tops, she decided the grief was worth it, and then never really got any.

    I think a lot of people saw those of us who were not wearing them and took heart from it – which makes sense, given that the purpose of the damned things was obviously to stamp out resistance and enforce fear and conformity.

    I did get into a confrontation with a bloke at Gloucester Docks, where there was an NHS against masks and mandates type protest. Sizeable geezer who definitely looked like he could handle himself stood to watch these nurses and doctors and turned to me and said, ‘Bunch of twats. Why don’t they just take their vaccines?’

    Without thinking about it (I was very angry about all this shit at the time, even more than I am now), I replied, ‘Fuck off, you cunt’, which took him aback somewhat. I actually thought I was about to get into the first fight I’ve had in while, but in the end he made a few threats and stomped off.

    Meanwhile, they haven’t given up and we must not relax. Here’s that odious bellend ‘Sir’ Patrick Vallance and others, interviewed by the repulsive lickspittle Tom Whipple, in The Times yesterday:

    Imagine if there had been no jab. Imagine if the dark of that first Covid winter had arrived without being offset by the light of the vaccine.
    Without the race to inject faster than it could infect.

    This is a complete inversion of the known science, which shows that the vaccinated are infected quicker and more often than the unvaccinated. But who cares about that?

    Sir Patrick Vallance has not only imagined this: as the government’s chief scientific adviser, with decades of pharmaceutical experience, it was in fact his assumption, he said.
    Vaccines, for him, were a punt and there was a lesson for the NHS and for how we all view risk.
    Today Dame Kate Bingham, who led the vaccine taskforce, is seen as a national saviour.

    Only by morons.

    She is the woman who cut through the bureaucracy to buy and back the vaccines that allowed normality to return.
    Vallance admitted at The Times Health Commission that even as he set up the vaccines taskforce he thought it was more likely than not that it would fail, and that he would have been blamed.
    “Frankly, I can absolutely guarantee that if it had not got the vaccine — which, by the way, was the most likely outcome at the beginning of the process — it would have been slated as the most disastrous waste of money.”
    The problem is, he said, that that is in the nature of progress, especially medical progress.
    “There’s always a worry that when you’re investing in innovation it ends up a complete waste of money and then you are completely slated by the National Audit Office and everybody else for wasting public money. The truth is, you can’t innovate without taking risks and so there needs to be an acceptance that some of this is not going to end up with improvement. I don’t think we’ve got our risk threshold right.”

    I’m no fan of ‘bureaucracy’, but when it comes to novel medical treatments using platforms that have killed people in previous trials, I’m more of a fan than normal.

    Maybe the National Audit Office should take a close look at the rocketing early death rates, especially among younger cohorts, that began in pretty much every ‘developed’ and ‘civilised’ country at the same time as they started injecting this shit into unsuspecting sheep.

    Someone ought to – MPs don’t seem interested, and the media is even less interested than the MPs.

    Still, it’s nice to know that we need to adjust our ‘risk threshhold’ with stuff that is mandatory for many people.

    Mengele had a similar approach with prisoners who said they’d rather not be vivisected, thanks.

    “We are too conservative about supporting innovation,” he said. “As a result we take years to get things into the system that could come much faster. And if we were to do that, it would reduce cost and increase efficiency. That requires political will to go down that route. It also requires sticking with it.”

    Heaven forfend that we should be conservative about new medical treatments. Maybe the flids have a view?

    John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford, was a government adviser during the pandemic and [said] the pandemic showed we were able to take up new ideas and move fast when we needed to.
    “I really believe that the NHS is the best healthcare system in the world.

    Then you’re a truly stupid cunt, John. Or a fantastic liar.

    “ It’s just lost its way a bit. The reason I say that is we had two years of unbelievable innovation and implementation during Covid. No one in the world had better data during Covid. No one else produced a vaccine as quickly as we did. Nobody else did trials as professionally with industry right across the piece.

    Nobody did trials anywhere professionally.

    The last boosters were trialled on eight mice.

    The original trials showed more people dying in the vaccine arm than the placebo arm, so they closed down the placebo arm and vaccinated everyone.

    There are multiple credible allegations of fraud by people who took part in those trials, and there was a concerted attempt by the US government and Pfizer to hide all their data for 75 years which (amazingly) was overturned by the courts.

    And so on and so forth.

    Tom Whipple doesn’t report any of this, obviously – I wonder how much money The Times gets from Big Pharma, Bill Gates and the government?

    “The trouble is we’ve kind of gone and slumped back in our chairs and turned the TV on. We’ve got to get back to where we were in Covid because, boy, that was eye-wateringly good.”

    Mark my words, this is a dangerous lunatic.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sir-patrick-vallance-nhs-must-take-more-risks-covid-vaccine-health-commission-2n6d7hsh0

  20. @BiND

    I think they are still a good signalling mechanism in a voluntary situation.

    I do take your point about manners and kindess to the scared. Not wanting to frighten old ladies was the thing that gave me pause, even if I went ahead and eschewed masks anyway.

    But what are you signalling?

    You’re signalling that there is a terrifying virus around which is very likely to kill people, and that’s simply not true, even with the elderly.

    I definitely think Covid is real – I had a very weird thing in 2020 or 2021, I can’t remember – very like the flu except that it burned all the smell receptors out of my nose. But it was gone in three days (with ivermectin and other stuff), apart from the loss of smell, which lasted for 2/3 months.

    However, how many people actually died from it? No-one knows, and anyone who says they do is stupid or lying.

    1. There was literally no flu in 2019/20, according to the stats. Bit odd.

    2. Anyone who got sick with ‘Covid’, as diagnosed by an opaque method, was told not to go to the doctor or hospital until they were really sick.

    3. They were told there was no early treatment at all – which was bullshit, but officially is still the case.

    4. So a given number did fall pretty ill, often with the above secondary bacterial pneumonia.

    5. If they were in nursing homes, they were denied antibiotics, given midazolam and opiates, and killed.

    6. If they went to hospital, they were denied antibiotics, given midazolam and opiates, or ventilated, and killed.

    7. Deaths were recorded as being ‘from Covid’ when people had half a dozen co-morbidities, even where there was no post mortem (and there was often no post mortem)

    8. In some extreme cases, people who were literally run over by buses or shot were said to have died ‘from Covid’.

    9. Meanwhile the media were breathlessly (sic) reporting every death, which were coming at a rate about similar to a bad flu year… in the year there was ‘no flu’.
    The same media now says nothing about a vastly inflated death rate.

    10. And people were spreading the fear by wearing masks that did nothing, even if there was a something to do.

    The whole thing was and remains a masterful psy-op, a vast scandal, and a gigantic crime against humanity.

  21. “And so on and so forth.”

    Don’t forget the fact that the vaccines that were provided to the authorities to test were produced by a small scale bespoke lab based method, while the ones that were stuck in people’s arms were mass produced using industrial scale production techniques, that were never quality controlled by anyone outside the drug companies. The difference between a hand made Rolls Royce engine and one thrown together by British Leyland staff on a Friday afternoon, in effect. Even if the vaccines had been 100% safe as designed, the way they were made pretty much guaranteed they would never meet that spec 100% of the time, and almost certainly contained toxic levels of various contaminants.

  22. Interested: «…with ivermectin and other stuff…»

    I’m curious to know how and where you managed to get hold of ivermectin. My GP refused to prescribe me some (also HCQ) even after I told him that I need specs and live near a river so river-blindness was an obvious issue in my case. He urged the miracle jabs instead. I got some ivermectin from eBay just before it was illegalised and the container has a charming picture of a dog on the label. Woof woof!

  23. Interested

    Vallance is an interesting one. Back in early/mid March (2020), he was talking (quite naturally) about herd immunity. Then the politicians all shat themselves that following weekend and Vallance u-turned. Did he suddenly revise his decades of medical training? No, course not.

    Basically, he was forced to go “all-in”, and from which he clearly can’t back out of. Hence, and I could be wrong, I don’t see him so much as a dangerous lunatic, but simply bought by events. He can’t overtly back down now, that would be professional/reputational suicide, and so he (and the rest of them, including our political class) are going to continue to lie their way through this – Sunak’s response to Bridgen in the House the other day being yet another example.

    The truth (as in, whatever the data ultimately shows) WILL out, but it might take time – and then maybe all at once, perhaps a bit like the Horizon thing as Bridgen commented, who knows how long it will take? My guess might be sooner, there are increasing numbers asking ever more awkward questions.

    Meanwhile, they haven’t given up and we must not relax.

    I’m mildly enthused that at least some of the most compliant from the start (that I personally know) are increasingly shifting their stance. Some are even re-writing their own earlier narratives (!), about which I am utterly chilled and happy to support/play along with said re-writes (if that’s what it takes…). Linking in attitudes to Net Zero in this context isn’t hurting either, it’s encouraging the routine questioning of whatever is being pushed, which will help when the next attack comes.

  24. Speaking of germ warfare, remember when Prince Charles went to Davos to launch “The Great Reset”? In 2020, at the height of viral fear mongering.

    Klaus Schwab was delighted, his website still calls it “HRH The Prince of Wales and Klaus Schwab’s” Great Reset.

    Why does the head of state of our country want a Great Reset and how come there’s no debate about that in Parliament?

  25. “The truth (as in, whatever the data ultimately shows) WILL out, but it might take time”

    It’ll take until the people releasing/analysing the data are not the same people who stood up and demanded everyone take the jabs, and the people who did do that are retired from public office, so not touchable and also not able to impact the careers of the releasers. Then we might get some version approaching the truth. Until then we will get omerta because careers and livelihoods depend on it. Snitches get stitches. Whats happened to Bridgen is just to encourager les autres to keep quiet.

  26. @Jim

    Don’t forget the fact that the vaccines that were provided to the authorities to test were produced by a small scale bespoke lab based method, while the ones that were stuck in people’s arms were mass produced using industrial scale production techniques, that were never quality controlled by anyone outside the drug companies.

    Yep – Process 1 for the trials and Process 2 for the mass production. I’ve told people this and they think I’m joking, so I show them the proof, in Pfizer’s own documents, and they kind of change the subject.

    This is one of the many things that is an amazing news story which never made or make the mainstream media, despite being backed up by official documents or court transcripts or in leaked emails etc.

    Any one or two of these stories would have been sufficiant to bust the whole thing, because even dickheads believe it if some BBC newsreader tells them it, which is why they absolutely had to control the media.

  27. ‘Hannah May’ 🙂 has highlighted the Potato’s hypocrisy but has now been censored – anyone else care to waste Spud’s time further?
    I’ve managed a few posts on a few of his threads, but there’s only so many VPN locations to be used before he catches on.

  28. @TMB

    I’m curious to know how and where you managed to get hold of ivermectin.

    I can’t say, for obvious reasons. I got hold of some very quickly once I started reading stuff.

    I’m sure plenty of people even on here still think it’s bollocks, but they’ve probably never watched the below interview with Dr Joseph Varon, nor wondered why this safe and very cheap out-of-patent drug was whipped off the shelves of every major nation’s pharmacies at the same time (clue: I’m sure it was nothing to do with the fact that it works, and if it works then the Emergency Use Authorisation under which the jabs could be legally inflicted on people would not have been possible under US [and European] law).

    https://rumble.com/vj1sm5-ivory-hecker-media-conceals-and-censors-potential-covid-treatments.html

    https://rumble.com/vj1sm5-ivory-hecker-media-conceals-and-censors-potential-covid-treatments.html

  29. @PF

    I’m mildly enthused that at least some of the most compliant from the start (that I personally know) are increasingly shifting their stance. Some are even re-writing their own earlier narratives (!), about which I am utterly chilled and happy to support/play along with said re-writes

    Yep, me too. I know a lot of people who are massively more interested in hearing stuff they were laughing at two years ago. I know a lot of people who have said to me that they’re having no more of these fucking jabs.

    I also don’t rub their noses in it – there are a lot of people out there who pride themselves on being ‘originals’, and look down on those who took time to come around.

    For my own part, I clearly remember saying to my teenaged kids, ‘Don’t worry, they’re working on some jabs and we’ll get out of this that way’.

    I was a believer.

    But I realised very quickly, like a matter of a few weeks, that there was something extremely weird going on, but then I had the time to read stuff, and kids at university who were having their lives fucked up by it all, and I got angry.

    I know some extremely intelligent people who were just too busy doing very high-powered things to pay much attention, and who outsourced their thinking on the issue to their doctors, in the same way one outsources aircraft design and flying to aircraft designers and pilots, and it’s not their fault, we ought to be able to do this.

    It’s insane that we can’t. But we can’t.

  30. @Jim

    It’ll take until the people releasing/analysing the data are not the same people who stood up and demanded everyone take the jabs, and the people who did do that are retired from public office, so not touchable and also not able to impact the careers of the releasers. Then we might get some version approaching the truth. Until then we will get omerta because careers and livelihoods depend on it. Snitches get stitches. Whats happened to Bridgen is just to encourager les autres to keep quiet.

    I’m slightly more optimistic about this than you, Jim, though for unfortunate reasons.

    I think it’s looking like it’s going to get so bad, and the powers that be are so intent on officially ignoring it that people will be forced to give up their careers to speak.

    According to the below piece, by Peter McCullough – once the USA’s most cited and published and feted cardiologist, now in the process of being unpersoned and disqualified for speaking out – Moderna has 31 new mRNA vaccines in their pipeline.

    Either people are taking these new jabs, or Moderna is going down, and it’s going to get pretty messy if they try to push the former.

    https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/covid-19-vaccine-safety-coverup-attempts?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1119676&post_id=141276148&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=36p8q&utm_medium=email

  31. I’ve never eaten horse paste, but I know people who have, and they’re perfectly healthy and have glossy manes.

    It is slightly disorienting to live in a world where Russell Brand is a more trustworthy source of news than the British Broadcasting Corporation.

    Remember the X Files? There’d be no point in making that show today, because real life is weirder.

  32. I wore a mask. A few times. Mostly when visiting my mother who has chronic Copd lives on oxygen and is amazingly frail.

    Wore on train or in shop precisely zero times. Got COVID from someone at work sitting opposite me coughing in early March 2020.

  33. Oh and I work in insurance taking longevity risk. Watch the annuity writer results, again. It’s obvious what is happening. Oh and two of my middle aged cousins have heart issues and are having scans. Yeah. That’s a statistical anomaly but will happen. I wonder how many statistical anomalies there are? Anyone telling? Nope.

  34. We’ve known about the clots that embalmers have been finding/pulling out for a while, even if it’s generally been reported at quite a low level (in terms of type/class of media).

    Even Campbell – who is rarely a first mover on anything like this, he normally covers something once it’s been around for quite a while but before it gets near the MSM – is now covering this stuff, which is a shift. And that’s significant because Campbell gets a lot of views.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z06xBRCwGp0
    (prelim)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rAoqhTUU0g
    (extended)

    Whatever the conclusions turn out to be, this isn’t pretty if someone is seeing it for the first time…

  35. @PF

    Yep, as you (I’m sure) know this has been out there for ages – but the same normally health-obsessed media which tells you bacon causes cancer and gobstoppers cure it unaccountably isn’t interested.

    @Andrew Again

    Oh and I work in insurance taking longevity risk. Watch the annuity writer results, again. It’s obvious what is happening.

    Ed Dowd (ex Blackrock investment manager) talks about this issue on this podcast (around 17 minutes in), where he makes the point that it has yet to feed through too much into profits, and thus share prices, because many of the people who are dying are younger people who are subscribed by their employers’ into relatively cheaper group life policies (and thus the hit, while annoying, is compensated for by raising fees on the survivors’ employers).

    He is forecasting big financial issues this year or next if the early deaths continue and they have to change their forward-looking assumptions and these affect (especially) big-ticket policies sold before 2019.

    Obviously if mortality subsides this might not be so much of an issue.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/safe-effective-is-the-biggest-lie-in-history-w-ed-dowd/id390071758?i=1000643900004

  36. The Other Bloke in Italy

    I agree, PF, but although I had been reading about clots for a long time, it was still a shock to see John Campbell’s photographs of the strange things which embalmers have been pulli out of bodies.

    Anyone interested can find Dr John Campbell on YouTube. The video I am referencing was only yesterday.

  37. Exactly how many people does the NHS have to kill before people rise up and start stringing people from lampposts?

  38. Interested

    What will be interesting is if the death shots continue to work after a lag – I had one jab and that’s it so hopefully the risk is minimised (and of course I regret it) but you do wonder which of the myriad scandals you highlight (great to see you in such prolific and devastatingly apposite form as well!) will be the one that breaks the camel’s back…

  39. @VP

    I don’t think anyone knows how things will develop.

    Geert van den Bossche has said he thinks people who took only one shot will be OK.

    He has said everyone who took four, five, six or whatever is going to die from some inevitable viral evolution that the unjabbed will fight off easily but to which the immune compromised will succumb.

    He’s very gloomy about the numbers – talking millions per country.

    But who knows?

  40. “What will be interesting is if the death shots continue to work after a lag – I had one jab and that’s it so hopefully the risk is minimised (and of course I regret it) but you do wonder which of the myriad scandals you highlight (great to see you in such prolific and devastatingly apposite form as well!) will be the one that breaks the camel’s back…”

    I have a theory (entirely hunch based) that its the mRNA jabs that are really dangerous. Its ironic that the AZ vaccine was withdrawn due to safety worries, yet I think its all cause mortality in the trials was lower than the mRNA vaccines. My hunch is that if you took the AZ vax you had a 1 in whatever (very low) chance of being killed or f*cked up within a short period of time, but if you got past that then you were probably OK. Whereas the mRNA vaxxes didn’t have that initial high toxicity hurdle, but keep killing people slowly over a longer period of time. But via processes that doesn’t look like the vax is involved. Middle aged man dies of heart attack, or elderly man gets sudden cancer, that sort of thing. And in the UK we largely took AZ vaxxes as the initial 2 dose course, only switching to mRNA only boosters in autumn 2021 and thereafter. So my guess is its the mRNA boosters that have been doing the damage, in the UK at least. And the more a person takes them the worse the odds get. Hence why the vaxxes have been effectively banned in the UK for the under 65s. There’s no reason to do that unless you have concerns about repeated doses having a cumulative negative impact on health.

  41. Locally they pulled the trick of saying there would be exemptions for masks then not having any exemption process or rules so if challenged it was a pain so it ended up being easier to comply, there was also the sheer hostility towards unmasked people that felt very uncomfortable. Still have someone in the office that wears a mask, also has a beard which renders the mask useless so no point saying anything.

  42. Another data point was the work done by some anons from 4chan regarding the differing batches of ‘vaccines’. Some particular batches were identified as being more or less inactive and had little effect (good or bad), probably due to the way that they were stored or administered. But there were a few batches (so called hot batches) which turned out to have a significantly increased risk of adverse reaction as reported by the VAERs database.

  43. @BlokeInBrum

    Another data point was the work done by some anons from 4chan regarding the differing batches of ‘vaccines’. Some particular batches were identified as being more or less inactive and had little effect (good or bad), probably due to the way that they were stored or administered. But there were a few batches (so called hot batches) which turned out to have a significantly increased risk of adverse reaction as reported by the VAERs database.

    Most people have probably moved on from this post, and sorry for hogging it a bit, it’s my hobbyhorse.

    When the German medical authorities took delivery of their Pfizer vaccines they instituted quality control checks as per the law in Germany.

    Restrospectively, it is possible to divide them up into three batches, A, B, and C.

    A were batches which would go on to cause many serious injuries, B would go on to cause a small number of serious injuries, and C (by far the largest number of batches) would cause virtually no serious injuries.

    The German authorities didn’t bother checking C batches for contamination before dispatching them to doctors.

    How did they know they didn’t need to check precisely the batches that would turn out to be safe?

    It is hard to explain this without recourse to the suggestion that they knew ahead of time that the C batches were safe, and thus that they didn’t need checking.

    By extension, they also knew the other batches were unsafe, or intended for another purpose, and needed to check them, presumably to assess their unsafeness.

    I am aware that this drifts into the realms of a conspiracy to murder German citizens – though I assume that it could be controlled by a small number of people, perhaps even one person, who apparently randomly ticks some sort of ‘check this one’ box on the required batches – but I’d welcome any explanation from anyone who hasn’t drifted off to a Richard Murphy thread.

  44. In theory, Conspiracy Theories fail, because how could xyz be kept quiet when it’s so serious and involves so many people?

    Well, Epstein, Hunter Biden’s Laptop, Horizon, etc etc

  45. “How did they know they didn’t need to check precisely the batches that would turn out to be safe?”

    I’ve wondered long and hard on this, because I can’t see any advantage to the authorities by doing what they appear to have done. If the aim was to hide dodgy batches then they’d have tested randomly and the hot, cold and tepid batches would have been equally sampled, so no signal would have emerged. And anyway, they tested all the hot batches and did nothing about them, unless there is any evidence whatsoever they ever threw out any batches for safety reasons? I can’t see a reason to have ignored the cold batches, if the whole quality control process was a sham anyway.

    My feeling is that somehow we are looking at it the wrong way, Its not that they tested the bad batches and not the good ones, its that somehow the testing process created the bad batches. This makes more logical sense – if by testing you create a weakness in the manufacturing process then by definition the tested batches will be more dangerous – more contaminated maybe.

  46. That’s an interesting point, Jim, but if you have a batch of 1000 vaccines and you open one to test it you don’t close it up and use it, you throw that one away. The remainder are treated precisely as the others.

    I have myself puzzled over the logic of it all, and unfortunately I fall down here:

    i) Someone intended to kill x no of people – but only x no at this stage

    ii) They intended to do it by ‘vaccinating’ them

    iii) They only inserted the deleterious elements into some proportion of certain batches (above, lots of A batches and a few B batches).

    iv) They did this because if they killed too many people too quickly – ie they put the killer bits into all of the jabs – people would notice (and society would anyway collapse in an uncontrolled manner, threatening their own lives, instead of their preferred controlled manner).

    v) Thus their concern was not to check the vaccines to make sure they weren’t dangerous but to check them to make sure they weren’t too lethal and the krauts just got caught out.

    (As I say, I can see how it would only take a very small number of people to direct the ‘safety testing’ effort – I’m not suggesting ordinary scientists in labs are ‘in on it’.)

    Yes, I know it’s batshit but

    a) It’s the only logical explanation I have

    and

    b) Is this beyond the likes of Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, Saddam Hussein, every king and tsar and emperor in history if the mood took him, the leaders of the Hutu and Tutsi, the next SA president who has openly called for the murders of all South African whites, Che Guevara, Beria etc etc etc?

    Should we start taking seriously the very powerful people who keep telling us that massive depopulation is an urgent necessity, or just comfortably fall back on the ‘it’s batshit’ explanation? Does anyone think Bill Gates gives the tiniest shit about ordinary people?

  47. Interested

    Like you (and the rest of us), I simply don’t know.

    But if one removes 1) above, can one draw up a similar process flow from that, and which fits the facts that we know?

    Let’s try another theory: DOD (who apparently led the process in the US, not Pharma) needed to test if this technology worked. Another 20-30 years was not much use to them, needed it sooner, ideally with a mass test, perhaps for the purpose of understanding what might best work (or not) in a biological attack/defence process? Didn’t matter that the Chinese/others would learn too, they would anyway. Needed an excuse to do it (Covid – tick, however intentional or not, and we’ve seen all the evidence from North Carolina Chapel Hill and elsewhere over 10-20 years). Needed to vary the testing process (this is a mass trial, after all). There was always going to be a control group (or groups, large parts of Africa didn’t take much of it) and anyway politicians will always play those sort of games anyway, the more random variability the better in terms of analysing data. Etc…

    Ie, insert that theory into 1) above. Could all the facts that followed – including the mistakes, incompetence, political shenanigans, criminality and the rest, all fit in with that hypothesis? For me, it *could* do? And I suspect there might be other variations on that which could also fit?

    I don’t know. Truth will slowly out over time, if only to those that want to pursue that and see, perhaps not necessarily to the masses – the censorship programs increasingly being put in place could indeed stop that. Are various politicians and others (with greater ambitions) taking full advantage of what’s taken place specifically wrt Covid to advance their own agendas. Absolutely yes.

    Hence, what I do know – irrespective of what we are increasingly finding about the facts (but still can’t be sure of the motives) behind the last 3-4 years – is that few of these bastards can ever be trusted again (probably never could and just been relatively slow on the uptake on that one). Hence, as you said further up the thread, that’s my main focus/concern.

    I know that doesn’t help much re narrowing motives, but sort of explains where I might best see this at the moment. Of course, your theory (or others) may well be more accurate?

  48. @PF

    That’s I guess kind of a plausible theory, that it’s all some sort of kind-of (practically, not legally) legitimate military trial, maybe of a possible defence against bioweapons.

    They’re certainly mad, sick and dangerous enough to do it – they’ve done stuff like that before, after all.

    (The story of how nuclear tests on US soil were discovered by Kodak, and hushed up for some time afterwards by Kodak under a deal with the US government, is instructive. The Tuskagee Syphilis Study is another mindblowing little military experiment they kept quiet for a long, long time.)

    But surely they’d inject the novel treatment into the Africans, not their own people? There is form for this, too.

    And even if not, again, surely they’d have proper control groups in the US and/or other western countries.

    If you’re trying to produce a genuinely efficacious jab, which under this theory they at least are, you’d surely want some proper data, instead of the mess they have now.

    If all you care about is killing 20% of the population in a plausibly deniable way over the next ten to fifteen years you’d maybe do it more like they have.

    I dunno. I must admit I can’t under any theory see the benefit in not forcing the same shit on the third world, because they are opening the door to all manner of lunacy which is also going to get them and their kids (if they have kids), but then I don’t understand the lunatic policy of allowing six million of them across the US southern border in three or four years, anyway – nor of what’s going on here, or in Ireland, or in France, Germany or anywhere else.

    I can’t understand why they’re trying to threaten the remaining holdout European countries to open their borders or they’re getting fucked over, either.

    Ultimately, whatever the explanation they are clearly completely fucking mad and they need to swing for the biggest crime in history.

  49. @PF:

    I’ve said right from the beginning that the US military industrial/university scientific complex is up to their neck in all this. Its pretty obvious that while the actual gain of function work was done in Wuhan, and Covid escaped from there, the money and impetus came from the US, because Obama had banned them from doing such work on US soil. So they just did it in China instead.

    Now I’d be sceptical that there was a plan to release it so they could then test mRNA vaccines on it. On the other hand never letting a good crisis go to waste is Big Government Rule 1, so I wouldn’t be surprised if their first thought was ‘Great, we can do mass testing of mRNA vaccines now!’

    Its certainly sure that the US military knew a lot more than they have ever let on publicly, its been revealed today that they informed the pharma companies as early as early Feb 202 that it was a matter of national security, when not one US citizen had died. So they had some idea what was coming down the pipe back then.

  50. Anyone who trusted the government and got a jab is a retard and deserves the negative consequences. Everything the public sector touches is a total cluster fuck so why would this be any different?

    Yes, nudge unit told you that old people (parents/grandparents) would drop dead if you didn’t vax up but if they said to stick your hand in the fire would you have done that?

    Wearing a mask or not was a side show in comparison.

  51. Interested

    On the basis that the DOD would have full access to all Government, US Health, Pfizer and Moderna data, I’m not sure it’s necessarily a mess – one could argue that it simply looks that way to us as we don’t have any of that data? Hence, ditto control groups, there are (relatively speaking) very large numbers in all categories (all well documented as to exactly who in each including non-vaccinated). And that’s much better quality data (out of 1st world countries) than anyone will ever collect out of Bongo?

    As for killing their own – well, 1) as you say, they have form, but 2) after the brief initial trials it didn’t show up as a “definitely no way” scenario (whatever little else those small 20K/20K trials demonstrated, and whatever fudges looked to be taking place). Hence, maybe that was good enough? After all, it certainly was at that stage for all of the various regulators!

    And perhaps we’re simply very early days in terms of what the longer term effects might be, so I might struggle to consider %s over the next 10 years or more at this stage?

    It’s just a theory I saw put forward a year or so ago, there are others. 🙂

    Who knows, motives are often difficult – you rightly point out all the other crap going on, to which the only rational response (to any reasonable person) is WTF!

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