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Something with high capital costs, high running costs, is not very popular with the punters:

Public enthusiasm for heat pumps has been overestimated by ministers, putting the Government’s net zero goals at risk, the spending watchdog has warned.

Strike me down with a feather, eh?

25 thoughts on “Blimey”

  1. Something that has high capital costs, high running costs and doesn’t work properly when it’s most needed isn’t popular with the punters.

    FTFY

  2. Something that has high capital costs, high running costs and doesn’t work properly when it’s most needed isn’t popular with the punters.

    AND is worse than the relatively inexpensive equipment it is meant to be replacing (at least when you amortise the cost over the life of the gas boiler).

  3. Martin Near The M25

    “putting the Government’s net zero goals at risk”

    The goals of making everybody cold, hungry and poor.

  4. It makes you wonder how a stupid policy gets implemented without anyone involved seeming to say that the idea has, shall we say, flaws.

  5. The Meissen Bison

    Something that has high capital costs, high running costs and doesn’t work properly when it’s most needed isn’t popular with the punters.

    AND is worse than the relatively inexpensive equipment it is meant to be replacing (at least when you amortise the cost over the life of the gas boiler).

    AND requires substantial taxpayer funded subsidy to attract any take-up in the first place.

  6. Decarbonising home heating represents one of the biggest challenges to the Government achieving net zero, requiring almost all households to engage in the transition,” the report said.

    My household is advising the government to fuck off.

  7. Friend of mine had a ground source heat pump installed about 15 years ago. I’ll admit that in conjunction with underfloor heating (it was a new build so the heating system could be designed to suit) it has worked very well, the house is beautifully warm. However I was told just the other day that her electric bill for the last quarter was over £800. For a relatively small property, 2 bedrooms, upstairs bathroom, big living room, dining area/kitchen. Not a mansion by any stretch of the imagination. And the system cost 8 grand plus installation costs, 15 years ago when a gas boiler would have been £2-3k fitted. Cheap heating it is not.

  8. This was obvious, of course, to anyone who gave the matter the slightest consideration. Unfortunately, UK policy on these matters is driven by a terrible combination of fanatics and arrogant morons.

    The fanatics believe the proles should be cold, hungry and poor, in order to save Gaia. They will continue to push insane policies. The arrogant morons in the civil service and parliament believe they are magic and that they change reality with policy.

    You can only make heat pumps ‘work’ by legislating the opposition out of business. This is still happening with EVs and I am sure it will happen with heat pumps.

  9. If people won’t buy them, then the government will need to make the supply and consumption of gas and oil less attractive. We’ll soon see sense then.

  10. A moron pump is trying to scavenge low grade heat out of the atmosphere and concentrate it into a much smaller volume.

    That is going to be quite energy intensive because……err, laws of physics?

    And if you are trying to use diffuse and intermittent energy sources to try and concentrate diffuse energy. Well, a load of shite times a load of shite is a load of shite cubed!!

    Just like milk floats, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you will soon be able to get moron pumps with a supplementary diesel genset.

    What has to be done to make these things appear “competitive”. Well, it makes good old soviet propaganda almost look reasonable.

    There are circumstances where these things are useful, but, like all “green”, these circumstances are very much peripheral.

  11. It comes just days after Claire Coutinho, the Energy Secretary, scrapped the so-called “boiler tax” which would have fined boiler makers if they failed to meet sales targets for heat pumps.

    The policy, which has been delayed until after the election, was meant to encourage adoption but was seen as politically toxic as it would have pushed up the price of gas boilers

    None of Pishy Rishi’s very temporary minor exceptions to Net Zero affected the underlying framework of legal compulsion on Net Zero, it’s all been delayed just long enough for Labour to get in.

    “But DESNZ’s progress with encouraging households to install heat pumps has been slower than planned because costs remain high and public awareness remains low.”

    The more the public learns about heat pumps, the lower the demand.

    the costs of heat pumps still far outstripped those of boilers with the NAO finding that a typical heat pump installation cost £13,300 – far above the typical £2-3,000 cost of a new boiler.

    You can buy an oil boiler that’s 98% efficient and have it installed for about £4K, or you can spend over 3 times as much on a system that’ll also cost a lot more to run.

    Around 18pc of UK emissions come from home heating and there are 24m homes with gas-fired boilers that must switch to low carbon heating systems.

    “Must”. There’s no serious suggestion in Westminster that the government “must” stop cramming millions of migrants a year into our country, but you “must” install a heat pump so that you can be poorer and colder.

    “Must”.

  12. Martin Near The M25

    They aren’t helping themselves by putting people like this silly cow to front the scam. The tone of “Why won’t you stupid peasants immiserate yourselves?” is enraging. They could at least find somebody stupid and dishonest who doesn’t have that printed on a t-shirt.

  13. “a ground source heat pump”: how do you do the maintenance and repairs on these things? Dig up your garden all over again?

  14. Bloke in North Dorset

    Las week an acquaintance told me he was on his was home to celebrate as he’d finally received planning permission for a heat pump at a property he has in Rickmansworth, about 250m from the M25. His planning application was turned down on noise grounds and he had to go to appeal.

    At the appeal he had to provide the evidence that the unit he wanted to install was 6dB below the ambient noise using the manufacturers data and the government’s noise map.

    He also told me about our German tutor’s plans to install a small wind generator on his small holding. (The tutor and his wife are Germans and trying to lead the Good Life). Apparently they were told that they can install it but if one person object they’ll have to take it down at their own expense and one of their neighbours (neighbour being a loose term since they’re really are out in the sticks) has already said she’ll object.

    This is typical of the type of government we have, they decide there’s an emergency and that we need to go to extraordinary lengths and impoverish ourselves, even passing facile laws, to prevent it getting worse, but woe betide anyone who upsets the NIMBYs.

  15. BiP:

    ‘“a ground source heat pump”: how do you do the maintenance and repairs on these things? Dig up your garden all over again?’

    Yes, because the usual thing to go wrong will be a leak of the coolant, and you don’t know where that has happened until you find it. No worries if you have that problem with a vertical bore-hole type, though. There’s no way you could repair that, as it’s hundreds of feet down. Just cap it off , write off all that capital, and bore a new one next to it.

  16. Dorset council declared a climate emergency in 2019.
    But one objection to a wind turbine and it doesn’t get built.
    How are these simultaneously possible?

  17. @ Bongo

    The skill of the leftist is to maintain two (or more) completely contradictory ideas in their head concurrently without their brains exploding.

  18. @Bongo, Besides what Joe Smith says..

    Most of those Do-Gooders are big on Ideas and Principles, but never take the effort to check whether or not their enforced ideas fit into the framework of existing regulations.
    (another parallel with Religion…)
    So you run into the “problem” that they’re trying to enforce A, while not having made sure the hoi-polloi cannot object against it. Completely according to The Rules…

    Of course… Fellow Fanatics are alllowed and actually encouraged to engage in such lawfare derailment. It’s the Unbelievers who should be stopped from doing this..

  19. “it was a new build so the heating system could be designed to suit”

    Well that’s the point isn’t it. If your building is entirely designed around these things, then they work quite well, albeit at a high cost.

    But most of us don’t live in such buildings.

  20. HIgh capital cost, sure – but the running costs should be lower.

    And the capital cost might not be as high as people thing given that heat pumps can be smaller capacity while providing similar heating/cooling capacity.

    —————————–

    Of course, now that I think about this – the government’s gonna freak out when they find out that a heat pump is a heat pump. Ie, it can cool as well as heat;) if it has a reverser valve.

    What’s it going to do to electricity consumption when, sure, winter heating bills are lower – but everyone’s turning the AC on during the summer now that its an option. Is it slightly warm and humid? Close the windows and turn on the heat pump.

    Or are they going to make selling heat pumps with reverser valves illegal?

  21. >Bloke in Pictland
    March 18, 2024 at 10:52 am
    “a ground source heat pump”: how do you do the maintenance and repairs on these things? Dig up your garden all over again?”

    The hardware is in a box on the surface, with some pipes extending below the frost line for heat exchange.

    But they do require either a decent sized lawn (that you have to dig up) to bury the pipes under or to dig small but deep holes to run the pipes vertically.

  22. @Agammamon
    Or are they going to make selling heat pumps with reverser valves illegal?

    No, but the ones with reversers don’t qualify for the subsidies, and retrofitting a reverser to a subsidised one is illegal.

  23. No, but the ones with reversers don’t qualify for the subsidies, and retrofitting a reverser to a subsidised one is illegal.

    …and nobody in this country has ever done anything illegal!?

    Pretty sure that if installation of new gas boilers were banned in the UK there would be a black market in both boilers and installations pop-up overnight, all with certificates saying they were installed by a certified Gas Safe installer before they were made illegal who is now unfortunately deceased or has returned to his native Poland and cannot be contacted.

    These people think we’re all idiots.

  24. Ground source leaks easily fied if instalation is pipe-in-pipe

    @Agammamon

    Or are they going to make selling heat pumps with reverser valves illegal?

    They already are to be elligible for grant

    Heat pumps are a con in UK, always more expensive heating than gas, oil, coal

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