The rector of Liverpool has quit the Church of England over “race, gender and sexuality discrimination”.
Canon Dr Crispin Pailing left the position he has held for a decade, saying he cannot continue to work “in an organisation which perpetuates bias and discrimination against sections of society”.
Dr Pailing, who was made an MBE for services to the community in December, advocates for same-sex marriage to be treated the same as the marriage of heterosexual couples.
Sounds to me like this is as with a Major General leaving on not getting the nod for Lt Gen. The COO off when not made CEO. Not makin’ me a bishop? The ‘ell with you then.
Of course, with views like this the bigt 1question is why the hell wasn’t he made a CoE bishop?
So the bloke didn’t get promotion because he was white???
I thought he was leaving because the church was too LGBT4K+ friendly when it should stick to its core principles. But instead I find he’s leaving because it’s not LGBT4K+ friendly enough. Everyone can see the church has gone seriously woke, so his stance is all about me me me
I made a very intemperate comment in the Olivia Colman thread last night about this chap.
Having slept on it and reflected and learnt, I have come around to the conclusion that he is in fact still a smug deluded twat who deserves stoning.
And then burning at the stake.
Well that’s the CoE for you: splintering into groupuscules which are all at variance with doctrine while the pews get ever emptier.
This chap would have liked to get his prebend away in Gomorrah!
Canon Dr Crispin Pailing has one of those faces that really makes you question what hard drive encryption he uses.
Dr Pailing, who was made an MBE for services to the community in December
Remember what we said about gongs being the Acme of Clown World.
In a statement, Dr Pailing blamed “institutional validation of homophobic and misogynistic views in the Church” for his decision
My guess is that Canon Boys Beware here has never read the Bible.
Dr Pailing, who said that he will be taking up a role in the charity sector in the summer,
The Blairite parasite seeks another host to consume.
He said at the time: “From our point of view, it is very clear that marriage between same-sex couples should be treated on the basis and with the same equality [as] between opposite-sex couples.
Number of references to “same sex marriage” in the Bible: zero
Number of times Jesus told us to bless sodomy: zero
Number of times God promises “equality” in scripture: zero
On t’other, number of times the Literal Word of God condemns homosexual activities: lots.
Canon Dr Crispin Pailing is not a Christian or a man of God. He is a whitewashed tomb.
Why is the Church of England full of homosexual atheists?
“ this is as with a Major General leaving on not getting the nod for Lt Gen”
And this must have really rubbed it in:
“ Dr Pailing, who was made an MBE for services to the community in December”
… because that’s clearly all he’s getting for his ten years in post, and it ain’t very much.
The usual crowd are unable to complete the long march through the institutions because the C of E – remarkably – manages to hold out on the issue of same-sex marriage in church. Unable for the moment to breach this last defence, a brave general has chosen to fall on his sword rather than lay siege with all the others.
The MBE puzzles me. Once upon a time men entered into the clergy (stop giggling) for the love of God and their fellow man (I’m not telling you again). Now they get gongs for it.
John – Yes, Peter didn’t get an MBE.
He got crucified.
Hang on, I’ve got an idea…
Liverpool seems to be a home for curious religionists
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/26/church-of-england-horrified-by-whiteness/
Miranda Threlfall-Holmes, the Archdeacon of Liverpool, has announced that she is very much opposed to whiteness
Maybe the CoE should be renamed the Church of Anyone But The English
Incidentally, by the photo, I suspect Miranda Threlfall-Holmes is a tranny.
@BiS: putting the “arch” in “archdeacon.”
“Yes, Peter didn’t get an MBE.
He got crucified.”
Balls. Nobody knows when, where or how Peter died. Scripture is silent on the topic.
But some grifters in Rome saw a way to take advantage of that.
I am reminded of the one-off Viz cartoon “Christ on a Bender” where all Jesus wants is to go out on a Friday night with his disciples to get absolutely crucified.
But his wife won’t let him.
(Considerably less blasphemous than some modern day ecumenical pronouncements. Yes I’m talking about you Welby, and you Francis as well).
We need missionaries who are real Christians to come over here from Africa to convert the pagans that infest our formerly Christian religions.
Or, my preference, a version of the Spanish Inquisition to torture into repentance the pedos, grifters and perverts who hold any office in our churches
“On t’other, number of times the Literal Word of God condemns homosexual activities: lots.”
Very few, canonically, Steve, except St Paul and Leviticus. Much though sodomy disgusts me, I see no evidence that Christ condemned it…
Aw, PR, be reasonable. Steve claims to be a Christian therefore your first assumption should be that he’s not especially familiar with scripture.
Nobody knows when, where or how Peter died.
Yes he bloody did get crucified, upside down. I saw it on Quo Vadis. And he had a Scottish accent.
Paul Rowntree
Just because Jesus didn’t say explicitly
“Bum not thy neighbour lest one catcheth bad AIDS.”
Doesn’t mean that he was in favour of it. It is one of those Mosaic ( as in Moses ) hang ups that they had and that set them apart from the pagans.
dearieme – I keep forgetting there’s Christians who believe Christianity didn’t get going until the 1500’s or so.
Paul Rowntree – how many canonical references to “don’t use another man’s bumhole like a ladies’ front bottom” do we need?
I’ve seen Sodomites argue that the sin of Sodom wasn’t sodomy, but lack of hospitality or possibly Brexit.
Here’s what Jude says:
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire
People who claim to be Christian cannot bless “same sex” sexual relationships.
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
That could be read as: Sodom and Gomorrah acted immorally in the same manner as the surrounding cities; the surrounding cities on top of that indulged in unnatural lust; Sodom and Gomorrah did not indulge in unnatural lust as they are not in the “surrounding cities” clause.
jgh – Imagine thinking you can rules lawyer God tho.
It seems that some people are treating being in the clergy as a job rather than a calling.
If you are small tribe trying to survive in a desert area then you need everyone producing kids, banning homosexuality/sodomy could be seen as a rational rule at the time, same for ‘wasting seed’ as I believe it masturbation was referred to
The thing about the couple of Biblical verses here and there that condemn homosexuality is that they are buried among a plethora of other rules and condemnations, that are an abomination unto you, that are completely ignored. They obsess about the gay bit while ignoring rules against getting a tattoo, creating any kind of representative art, tolerating any of those other religions, brides not being virgins, and on and on, there are reams and reams of this stuff.
I’m not religious, but I often stop and visit old churches I pass on my travels, always popping a small contribution in the donation box when leaving. But much more of this fuckwittery and I will reconsider…
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Where does it mention homosexuality? I would think lusting after Diane Abbot would be highly unnatural. But it wouldn’t make you Owen Jones.
As usual Steve, you’re just making things up.
The thing about the couple of Biblical verses here and there that condemn homosexuality is that they are buried among a plethora of other rules and condemnations, that are an abomination unto you, that are completely ignored. They obsess about the gay bit while ignoring rules against getting a tattoo, creating any kind of representative art, tolerating any of those other religions, brides not being virgins, and on and on, there are reams and reams of this stuff.
Amazing.
Thing about Christians is, they’re like people who read Nostradamus. Anything in the book can be interpreted to mean anything they like. My challenge to any deity would be, cut the bullshit. You want believers, prove your existence. We can always rent Wembley for an evening if you’d prefer to make a show of it. Otherwise STFU.
“I refuse to prove that I exist,'” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.”
“But,” says Man, “The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.”
“Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t thought of that,” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
That’s just fiction Chris. Good fiction but still fiction. Here’s the clincher from the real world.. The incontestable evidence. The Tri-professori of Ely’s a believer. So non-existence is proven beyond any doubt.
Soud’s a Quaker, who are a bit Schroedinger’s about the existence of a real and actual god.
None of the things described as “an abomination” in the torah are ignored by the people those instructions were given to.
One suspects for someone of Dr Pailing’s views, to be named a ‘Member of the British Empire’ is something of an insult.
None of the things described as “an abomination” in the torah are ignored by the people those instructions were given to.
You’ve obviously not eaten bacon & eggs in a Jew’s kitchen on Shabbat morning. Or watched an Israeli army captain tucking into her pork cutlets in cream sauce In a Hampstead restaurant. There are a small proportion of Jews spend most of their time arguing about the meaning of the words in the Torah. As far as I’m a aware, they still haven’t reached a decision.
One thing I do like about Jews. The don’t think they’re god talks to them. Or listens to them for that matter. The phone’s been off the hook for a very long time.
BiS – I would think lusting after Diane Abbot would be highly unnatural
Now? God, no. But when she was 30 and I was about the same age? I’m not gonna lie, it would depend on how much alcohol I had consumed and if there were any other shaggable prospects within staggering distance.
I mean, we can slag Dianne off and she deserves it, but she did convince a man to marry her and then knock her up with her mental son. Whom she does appear to have stuck by, despite his mental problems. Good on her. That’s more than Penny Mordaunt has achieved in her life.
Snag – None of the things described as “an abomination” in the torah are ignored by the people those instructions were given to.
Exactly.
This comes from not understanding what Christ means to Christians.
I blame the Christians, they did a shit job of explaining their own religion to the Baby Boomers.
Chris Miller – Oolon Colloophid was the Professor Richard Dawkins of his day.
Anybody heard from Prof Dawk lately? He was a celebrated public figure only a few years ago. Now? Hmm.
There used to be a New Atheist movement on the Internet, centred around fanboys of Dawkins, Hitch (ok, I loved Hitch too), and a bunch of other atheist intellectuals.
Used to be. Those guys are all trannies now, posting pictures of themselves in frocks on Reddit. The fanboys I mean, not the famous atheists they used to worship. There is no New Atheist movement anymore, only endless social justice screeching into a digital void.
Professor Dawkins must be disappointed that the decline of Christianity in Britain is not leading to a corresponding increase in rational enlightenment principles. Far from it, eh lads?
Atheism: the No God That Failed.
“Anybody heard from Prof Dawk lately? He was a celebrated public figure only a few years ago. Now? Hmm.”
Two things, I think have affected his equilibrium :
Islamic extremism, he doesn’t know how to handle it
Being divorced by Lalla Ward.
Actually a third. I believe that he is, medically speaking, losing his marbles.
the Christians, they did a shit job of explaining their own religion
Which religion? Christianity’s a syncretion between Judaism & Roman.* You wouldn’t get a Jew talking about a son of a god conceived on a virgin by stealth. That’s pure Jupiter/Zeus. The Messiah is a man not a god. At least the Muslims get it right.
*Not counting the other religions it’s stolen from.
“Being divorced by Lalla Ward.”
Really? Blimey.
Still, at least it wasn’t Nicola Bryant, eh?
But when she was 30 and I was about the same age?
What’s more worrying is when she was twenty. And I was living round the corner from the Mangrove. Corbyn could have lost out to the better man. On the other hand, Abbott would now be a far-right extremist.
“Atheism: the No God That Failed.”
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. That’s it. Nothing else is implied by this with regard to politics, belief in enlightenment values versus belief in superstitious woo, or what gender you claim to be.
@Tim Worstall – March 26, 2024 at 5:55 pm
Spud’s a Quaker, who are a bit Schroedinger’s about the existence of a real and actual god.
Would that make him a “Schroedingbat”?