Hilary Cass’s proposals are mostly common sense. She must reject anti-trans bias with the same clarity
Freddy McConnell
Not that many of us out here with anti-trans bias. You do anything you want with your life and you’ve the same rights we do to making a go of it too. However:
By failing to take on clinicians who doubt the very existence of trans children and young people, the review lets down those it seeks to support
An awful lot of us simply do not agree that trans-children even exist. Sex isn’t something that children understand – which is why it’s illegal to have sex with children. And if society has decided, as a whole, that children aren’t competent to even have sex then we’re really very certain that they’re not competent to decide upon it.
Not only do trans children not exist, neither do trans people. There is, however, a small number of mentally ill men and women who believe their biological sex differs from an imaginary innate ‘gender identity’.
I do not object to these people living their lives as they choose, as long as they do not harm others. That includes not encouraging others to suffer from the same delusions.
I also do not consider it society’s nor the state’s obligation to support people in their delusions. My late uncle Jim was a paranoid schizophrenic, who (amongst other things) made his children search their rooms for bugs planted by the Chinese before bedtime. I do not think “affirming” his delusions would have been good for him or the family.
I sympathise with people suffering gender dysphoria, but drugs and surgical mutilation are not the cure. It is impossible to change sex. Nothing else matters. Talking about gender (in this context) or gender identity makes no more sense than talking about phlogiston or auras.
There are a great many of us out here who object strongly to blokes in frocks who consider it their right to hang around in ladies bathrooms as well as crushing real women in pretty much any sporting event. If that’s anti-trans bias then count me in.
As to the final paragraph I see yet another child of a celebrity couple has declared herself, with much fanfare and a silly haircut, to be something she clearly isn’t and never can be. I hope the young lady’s parents have sufficient human decency to prevent her from undergoing life changing surgical mutilations and merely content their and her vanity by playing pretend (something mr affeck and mrs garner are actually rather good at).
I’m tired of seeing hysterical shrieking from the activist lobby that the Cass Review will ‘stop access to trans healthcare’ as if that was an appropriate term for chemical and surgical castration or mutilation.
From Mr Thompson’s establishment, here’s a ‘trans activist’ for you.
https://thompsonblog.co.uk/2024/04/valid-and-proud-you-hear.html
Of course, you might argue that only a tiny tiny proportion of ‘trans people’ are deviants and perverts, but the data suggest not: https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/
Are you conflating sex with sexual activity?
Children of quite a young age are aware of the physical differences between boys and girls and they understand what I suppose one must call their own bodily integrity. It follows that the blame for the trans fad lies entirely with progressive parents, campaigning teachers and maniac psychologists who interpret a child’s fondness for unicorns as an expression of penis envy.
“If society has decided, as a whole, that children aren’t competent to even have sex then we’re really very certain that they’re not competent to decide upon it.”
This needs a bit of tweaking, and then needs to be carved in granite and displayed in lots of public places.
I think I can produce a detailed policy in four words: Leave the kids alone.
Sex doesn’t equal gender, and the act of sex is a different thing to both. Which does matter unless you’re just opposed to the whole business of it. Which is certainly some people around here. They and I have nothing worth saying to each other on the matter.
So the ‘I’m ok with trans people existing, but don’t think trans kids exist’ is surely better expressed as ‘I don’t think kids have the capacity to understand that they are trans’. Ok. But if that’s the case then why do they have the capacity to decide that they aren’t? Why does a child have the capacity to decide that they fit the gender assigned to them, but not that they fit a different one. It’s not like you want to leave it up to the parents, right? Because if parents think a kid is trans you’re not going to be ok with that either.
If you believe trans people are real then unless you believe they only become trans at the age of 18 (or 25, or whatever) then you believe that trans kids are real.. or, at least, possible. So it’s not that they don’t exist, it’s that identifying them is hard, and knowing what to do with/to them in the difficult time when biological and social factors are signficiant and irreversible…. but their capacity to understand and make decisions is incomplete… is hard. It is. I want trans people to have equal rights and the support that they need.. but I am very grateful that I will never have to address these issues in real life.
It’s almost like it’s nuanced and that anyone who actually wants good outcomes for trans people should be putting sympathy front and centre when they discuss this stuff.. even if they hold the view that the correct approach is extreme caution and, yes, even scepticism.
‘I don’t believe trans kids exist’ isn’t that. It is, in fact, exactly what you say if you do, despite your denial, have an anti-trans bias.
Robin:
“‘I don’t believe trans kids exist’ isn’t that. It is, in fact, exactly what you say if you do, despite your denial, have an anti-trans bias.”
Is that like an anti-unicorn or anti-Easter Bunny bias?
I disapprove of drugs and surgery for kids for no medical reason. I suppose that makes me a hateful anti trans bigot, Robin. Oh well.
I don’t believe that trans-adults exist*. I believe there are mentally ill people who claim all sorts of unlikely things about themselves, such as that they have a radio in their heads and their actions are being controlled from China, or that they are the Emperor Napoleon. To the extent this does not affect their day-to-day functioning in society, I’m happy for them to believe what they wish, it’s when the voices in their heads tell them to enter women’s changing rooms (why do we never hear of women who think they are men demanding to use men’s changing rooms?) that intervention becomes necessary.
* apart from a tiny percentage of unfortunates with genetic malfunctions giving rise to partial intersex conditions. They merit our sympathetic understanding, but we shouldn’t design society around them.
“why do we never hear of women who think they are men demanding to use men’s changing rooms?”
We do. Or at least more than one movie is based upon that premise.
I was born in the body of a spitfire pilot. A mere accident of timing and bad eyesight should not stand in my way, I want a spitfire on the NHS. Mark 8, normal tips would be best, but anything considered.
Why does a child have the capacity to decide that they fit the gender assigned to them…
The child is guided by what’s in its underwear and “assigned” in this context is an example of what children call casuistry.
…but not that they fit a different one.
Because underwear, unlike trans activists, does not lie.
“So the ‘I’m ok with trans people existing, but don’t think trans kids exist’ is surely better expressed as ‘I don’t think kids have the capacity to understand that they are trans’. Ok. But if that’s the case then why do they have the capacity to decide that they aren’t?”
Because sex is not something that you decide on, so your point is moot.
At birth, you are either male of female.
i was speaking to a friend who’s a teacher at a secondary school. He told me that a while ago loads pupils came out as trans especially the teenage girlies, but this seems to have disappeared as they took up another fad.
I note that of the men who say that they are women the proportion of them who are sex offenders and paedos is greater than the general population and that 95% of these so called women never lose their penis and seem to be simultaneously lesbian so that they can continue shagging women with their penis.
Freddie herself is delusional – no real man has babies or wants to be pregnant unless you’re this chap – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R79yYo2aOZs
It’s not assigned it’s observed, the doctor/midwife/new parents don’t have a little get together and decide they have already had 3 boys born today so this one is being assigned as a girl
>and you’ve the same rights we do to making a go of it too. However:
Here you are showing your anti-trans bias;)
“I was born in the body of a spitfire pilot. A mere accident of timing and bad eyesight should not stand in my way, I want a spitfire on the NHS. Mark 8, normal tips would be best, but anything considered.”
I’ve always considered I should have been a combination of Ian Botham and David Gower. Able to swing the ball both ways at high speed and make languid effortless left handed centuries. I spent my teenage years daydreaming about how that was my future. The fact I was born in the body of an at best competent village cricketer should not prevent me being treated as if I was the greatest allrounder England has ever known, and singlehandedly won the Ashes 4 times in a row in the 90s. I demand a statue outside Lords, free life membership of the MCC and the general public adulation of being one of the greatest cricketers of all time. Anything less is akin to being thrown into a concentration camp.
@Robin “They and I have nothing worth saying to each other on the matter.” Yet here you are.
I should have been a combination of Ian Botham and David Gower.
Hey, if that’s how you feel, that’s what you are. Don’t let bigots deny you your truth.
Really Mr Worstall?
Not that many of us out here with anti-trans bias
The “bias” here drove Joesphine away
@Marius
Not only do trans children not exist, neither do trans people. There is, however, a small number of mentally ill men and women who believe their biological sex differs from an imaginary innate ‘gender identity’.
Wrong on both. They do exist and are not mentally ill. You are correct on small number. At a guess 0.05%
What we have now is lot’s pretending to be trans to jump on the cool trend bus
The bus being owned by the vile Marxist Left to create another division. Bus driver is groups like Stonewall whose aim was accomplished scrabbling arund for a new issue to justify their existence and taxpayer funding.for ther staff. Bus inspector is Labour Party
What’s going on across Left, especially in NHS, WPATH, UN and schools is evil beyond belief. It,s also created huge harm for genuine TS & TV who wanted quiet unobstrusive lives
I’m glad Cass report released and hope Sunak will act fast to end this. Law is needed not more usless guidelines
I should have been a combination of Ian Botham and David Gower.
TV is inundated by a plethora of female (the actual XX type) ex-footballer pundits whose vapid opinions are greeted with the respect due to a combination of Messi and Maradonna – albeit not by the excellent Joey Barton.
If children are not competent to decide on their sex, then they are not competent to decide to undergo any puberty at all, and puberty blockers should be compulsory for all children.
They don’t “decide to undergo puberty”, it happens naturally. Exactly the same way sex is decided naturally, by chromosomal arrangement: got XY you’re a man, got XX you’re a woman.
Not that many of us out here with anti-trans bias
The “bias” here drove Joesphine away
I can’t remember anyone here calling for these poor unfortunates to be killed. Everyone seems to be happy to let them live their lives. Just with the proviso that they don’t indoctrinate kids and don’t creep on women in the bathroom.
Use the gents if you have a dick. It’s that simple.
For some reason, the people who identify as something they aren’t, get upset when people who don’t want to play along with their charade, don’t play along. It isn’t anti-trans bias. It’s not playing along. If Josephine got annoyed we weren’t playing along and took her bat and ball home, that’s her problem.
“why do we never hear of women who think they are men demanding to use men’s changing rooms?”
Because men don’t give a shit.
We aren’t threatened by a woman wanting to use men’s facilities. Any man who feels threatened by a woman wanting to use a men’s room is just a noodley soy boy who nobody is going to take seriously.
Plenty of times in clubs and bars I’ve seen women in need of relief popping into the men’s room because the queue for the ladies is so ridiculously long. Nobody cares.