Yes, yes, I know that absolutely everything about this is wrong

There’s no good reason to think that this has got anything to do with cytokine storms. The vaccine is specifically tailored to each individual’s tumour.

There’s been speculation for decades that this sort of approach would be the future of cancer treatment.

Hmmmm… The mental image of a “mild” cytokine storm isn’t…bad… per sé…

If the vaccine works as planned and you’re dealing with a metastased neoplasm that pretty much got everywhere already, you have a pretty good chance at a serious one, even.
(Which is exactly what happened in experiments with rats that got “reintroduced” to cancer cells that had their detection profile enhanced.
That’s why that line of research has been abandoned. It didn’t end well for the rats. Pretty promptly.)

IF they can get that vaccine as specific as they say they can get it.
And if it doesn’t also attach to anything resembling those “markers” , which are just slight variations of normal cell-surface proteins that tells us it’s in fact “us” being there.
So slight, that our immune system doesn’t detect them, which is why that neoplasm can proliferate to begin with, since normally “Bad Cells” do get attacked by our immune system.
These are cells that are 99.999% “us” . And our immune system is not that specific. It has a certain tolerance, because if it hadn’t we would simply all suffer from some kind of autoimmune deficiency in the best of cases.

It could work, theoretically should even.
But I wouldn’t let it get near me if I hadn’t seen an immunoblot with every major cell type in my body as a control first. And it coming up negative for everything but that specific cancer cell…
Even the slightest hint of a haze…. Nope²!

Those of you who were ‘vaccinated’ with the mRNA shit have more pressing problems if Geert van den Bossche (former head of Bill Gates’ GAVI vaccination organisation) is right.

https://voiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/p/society-in-highly-c-19-vaccinated

To be fair, if he is we all are because the whole of society is going to collapse.

Interested: To be fair, if he is [correct] we all are because the whole of society is going to collapse.

If that were the case with SARS-CoV-19 it’s odd that other coronaviruses have not adopted the same lethal strategy to do away with us.

I never know whether to laugh or cry when someone undermines a plausible-sounding case with an idiot remark. Thus:

“followed by … the use of artificial intelligence”.

At least this concoction will only be given to those who are probably not that far from a pine box anyway.

Anyway doesn’t this just prove that mRNA isn’t a vaccine? A vaccine stops you getting something, not cures you of it if you already have it. You take a vaccine when well, to prevent sickness, not when you are sick to make you well.

The next stage will of course be telling people they’ve invented a ‘vaccine against cancer’ and everyone should take that now (kerching!).

Induced cytokine storm = Russian roulette.

Nobody understands how exactly the immune system works, but it, like much else, works differently in different people.

@The Meissen Bison

If that were the case with SARS-CoV-19 it’s odd that other coronaviruses have not adopted the same lethal strategy to do away with us.

Well, in a sense they have – they do kill weak and elderly people, even now, but as a population we have built up immunity over thousands of years.

But did we mass inject 90% of the population with entirely novel mRNA drugs for those other coronaviruses? I must have missed that.

His point – and he is a very experienced and until recently entirely on-board virologist and vaccine expert – is that the ‘vaccines’ have done various things to their recipients.

One (he suggests) is that they have damaged the immune system of those recipients, which expains the rise in cancers and other conditions (including repeat Covid infections, something the unvaccinated are not experiencing – or certainly not on the same scale).

The other thing is immune fixation. You’d have to read his stuff, and look at what happens in animal populations which are mass innoculated during a pandemic (as opposed to before one begins, Mareks disease in chickens is oft-cited), but I believe the idea is that the immune system of the jabbed is now fixated irreparably on the original spike protein, which has long since evolved out of existence, and can and will thus be bypassed by future mutations.

This explains the constant coughs and colds many people are experiencing; mutant versions from a constantly evolving virus.

The fear is that sooner or later, and inevitably, a killer variant will emerge and then… millions dead.

Hope he’s wrong.

Interested.

Thanks for responding and I’m intrigued by the Geert van den Bossche piece.
As I previously understand it a virus generally becomes less dangerous as it mutates because it doesn’t want to eliminate its potential hosts. If that population is now compromised thanks to the jabs then I can see how a modest mutation could be more dangerous than the virus “intended”. However, since the virus can now successfully and readily re-infect the be-jabbed (and the un-jabbed to a lesser extent) the imperative for further and drastic mutations should reduce.

The thing that has me puzzled is why a new mutation should go off-piste to such a degree as to be a threat to the un-jabbed and possibly fatal for the jabbed.

@Grikath

I am no expert on viruses nor vaccines (though it’s not hard to read up and I am apparently more expert than a number of doctors I know, including two close relatives, all of whom just assumed these jabs were of the traditional live attenuated virus type and varied from being shocked to insouciant when I pointed them in the direction of the relevant info).

The fact that the inserts with the vaccines, which normally give lists of possible side effects etc, were completely blank had puzzled some.

The fact that more people died in the vaccine arm of the Pfizer trials than in the placebo arm, and that they ended the trials early and vaccinated all participants, then tried with the assistance of the US government to redact all of their data for 75 years until ordered by a court to release it, albeit at an almost useless snail’s pace, ditto – once you can get people to accept that you haven’t gone mad, this actually happened and the court papers prove it.

As I understand it there is no reason per se why viruses should mutate to be less dangerous – they just tend to.

But that is usually acting upon a non immune-naiive population: the original new virus kills a few weaker people, the rest develop some natural immunity to the whole virus which is by virtue of its greater number of constituent parts less prone to sudden dramatic evolution than the spike protein (simultaneously the most mutagenic and toxic part of the original virus – which does raise the question of why they designed the jabs to focus on this part of the virus and not some other more benign part less prone to mutation).

Van den Bossche’s belief is that the unvaccinated, having been exposed to the original whole virus and all subsequent variants, are developing robust natural immunity; my body recognises the bits of the virus which haven’t mutated, or have done so less dramatically, and thus my B and T cells etc are ready to go.

A nasty new version might kick my arse, and could even kill me, but my chances are ok given other factors like fitness, age, comorbidities.

His fear, articulated by Jim, is that the ‘vaccinated’ are now just sitting ducks, their immune systems primed perfectly to fight a 2020 war, and unable to recognise never mind fight emerging strains.

This ‘antigenic fixation’ is apparently a known artefact of the science, and has led to entire flocks of poultry keeling over.

If he’s right we are waiting for the inevitable moment when a sufficiently nasty variant arrives, at which point… game over, thanks for playing.

He says a third of the population or more of heavily jabbed countries like ours could die very quickly.

Sounds crazy, but only on the basis of the numbers, and the numbers are not that different to the Aztecs meeting the Spanish.

The other issue is also that hitherto, man-made viruses, whether released accidentally or deliberately, have not caused damage on this scale (it’s not unique other than the pandemic affect – RSV was lab-created).

Given that the very clear evidence from emails and internal documents released under FOIA suggests C19 was created by Chinese scientists funded by the US military and various allied organisations, and pushed by people who openly talk about the benefits of depopulation, we should at least ponder the possibility that they have other recipes waiting to go.

Normally my favourite phrase is ‘I told you so.’ Here, I fervently hope he’s wrong. My wife and children are like me unvaccinated (I was pro vax prior to all of this, the kids had their MMRs, I’ve had all sorts of shit for Middle Eastern life) but most of our friends and family are jabbed.

Fingers crossed. But look at some of the sites on Twitter collating sudden deaths eg @TooBaffled. It’s concerning.

Further to your question (also addressed by Jim):

The thing that has me puzzled is why a new mutation should go off-piste to such a degree as to be a threat to the un-jabbed and possibly fatal for the jabbed.

I’m not sure if I answered this properly, nor if I have understood Van den Bossche’s position clearly.

(By the way, it’s not just him, he’s just one of the most prominent and qualified people concerned about this.)

I think it is that in the ordinary scheme of things, a mutated version of the original virus would be encountering some level of immunity to the original version.

In a vaccinated person, the immune system literally does not recognise the new virus at all; it is fixated on and looking for the original spike protein, which long ago evolved out of existence, and just doesn’t engage with it at all.

These are not the droids you’re looking for, sort of thing.

Added to which the sheer number of encounters between the various extant variants and the billions of vaccinated people, each of which also represents an opportunity for mutation inside the body, mean that the chances for a highly virulent strain, which doesn’t make you so sick so quickly that you die or retire to bed and can’t pass it on, but which does kill you stone dead *reasonably* quickly, after you have spread it around the tube or pub, is much higher than would ordinarily be the case.

It could all be complete bollocks, but it is worth reading his substack via the link above.

I don’t think the unjabbed are at any particular risk. But in the general ongoing soup it’s possible a variant emerged which is serious to us too.

I think van den Bossche predicts a wider array of subvariants from which one deadly mutation can run amok amongst us and prior to that the brief appearance of new subvariants will ultimately exhaust the immune systems of the unvaxxed while the vaxxed will succumb more quickly.

“The vaccinated can’t, you are stuck with your first immune response. So they are sitting ducks, waiting for the viral evolutionary revolver cylinder to land on ‘highly contagious (to the vaccinated) AND highly virulent’. ”

Which is… bovine excrement.. Which is generally what vandenBossche spouts. He is a Murphy…
Nominally qualified to have an opinion, given that he is a veterinarian, a “professor” in the same way Murphy is, and an impressive list of NGO’s where he blagged himself into as an “Expert”.
And just as fringe in his Opinions.
His “publications” are paid-for, and never, ever peer reviewed. He’s quite notorious for it…
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The memory of our immune system is “lossy”.
Over time the actual antibodies “widen” their specificity to what was once the dominant antigen, to be able to pick up a broader range of minor mutations.
In doing so it is one of the factors that make our immune response “less effective ” over time: to become more flexible to allow for potential mutations in the antigen, it also becomes less specific and responsive.
A thing which the “Professor” completely ignores.
Because our immune system is adapted to deal with standard rates of mutation. And it doesn’t matter if that immunity is induced or “natural”. It’s the simple physics of the chemistry involved.
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This is on top of the fact that the spike is only responsible for part of the virulence, and must be extremely conservative to be able to infect us efficiently.
It targets a specific receptor proteïn which is pretty highly conserved in humans. Most of us have that variety.
People with mutations in that receptor proteïn actually are more likely to have cardiopulmonary problems, as their vasoconstriction feedback loop is off-kilter, with all problems regarding too high/low blood pressure as a result. As in: They are in the high risk group for CoVid to begin with.
Most of us have the “standard” version, which means that any virus targetting that receptor has a “monoculture” to deal with to begin with. So it evolves to be as specific as possible to that receptor to be more successful in accurately detecting it and latching on to it.
Which also means that there’s large parts of it that cannot change too much for a given host. And those large, conservative, parts are exactly the spots our immune system uses for detection.

Mutate too far away from that optimal configuration, and the virus becomes less infectuous, or even ineffective and may even move away to another host altogether.
While, and this is important, still retaining other features that the immune system also uses to detect it.
Which is what has actually been observed to have happened with CoVid, live, with every sequencing lab vying to find the “Next Disaster Strain” and claim the credit: many strains because the spike does mutate at a fair clip, but only a few mutations are more effective than the current version, and those spread and take over the poulation.

Literal standard model population biology, once more confirming some models, bolloxing other “alternatives”, and all fuelled by pure physics and chemistry, with added Quantum to shake up the system .

Another thing our dear “Professor” consistently ignores.
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Then there the simple fact that the Spike is not the main problem in progression of the infection and disease: It is all the other bits and pieces of the virus that are.
Mainly the mantle proteïns, who are not initially a primary target for our immune system as they get “covered” by the spike corona. Couple of nm, but might well be half a mile away at the scale these things work. The towers are in the way of detecting them. The spikes have evolved to specifically do so.

The thing is, those mantle proteïns play a far larger part of the integration of the virus into the cell than the spike, but are, by necessity, more “generic”.
So much so that there’s cross-recognition by the immune system from exposure to other viruses and virus families. And get readily recognised. Hence the tall spikes shielding them. To decrease the detection profile of the virus itself.

They, and not the spike , are mainly responsible for getting the viral body through the cell membrane, and releasing the RNA contents into the cell body.
Spike = detection and initiation, Mantle = infection.

Another thing our “Professor” ignores.
But he’s by far not the only one and is merely one of the mob of Virologists staring blindly at that spike while forgetting about that next step and its importance.
Especially since the mantle proteïns are produced in far greater number than the spikes. about 10:1-ish.
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Then after infection there is the helper proteïns that actually produce the virus. Which are very varied, have their own, pretty high, mutation rates, and whose functions are as yet poorly understood, because they operate in parts of the cell we only have a general idea of how they work.
Besides being highly important in the rate and effectiveness of reproduction of the virus in the infected cell, and as such general disease progression/severity, there is, once again, something else our dear Professor forgets or ignores:

Some of those helper proteïns “stick out” of the infected cells.

Because they are part of the transport-release chain of the virus and are embedded in the cell membrane presenting, and this is very important, a target for the quite different part of the immune system that deals with damaged/compromised cells.
And CoVid has two of those that are very much not as polite and adapted to humans as the “old versions”.
They scream “Bat!” at our immune system, so it proceeds to destroy those cells, popping them in the process.
And releasing large amounts of cellular goo into the environment , containing a lot of unintegrated mantle proteïns who then get picked up by our immune system as suddenly being present in Large Amounts…
With pretty predictable results…

It happens with any viral infection, but Coronaviruses are pretty notorious for it, since they do not intentionally burst their host cells to release. They have adapted to do a controlled, continuous release, keeping the actual infected cell as big a secret from the immune system as possible.
They’re stealthy buggers, and only burst they cells eventually because production outstrips transport.
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Now to the myocarditis….

Thing here is, that the spike alone cannot induce an immune response towards a cell it latches on to.
It will detect its target protein and binds to it just fine, and then it triggers the initial stage of the infection:

It. gets. sucked. into. the. cell.

Since it’s attached to its target proteïn which then gets marked as “defective” by the cell, it will simply get deconstructed into its amino acids and recycled.
Other than that it does not do anything. Most of all, it does not present a target for the immune system to react to , because it leaves no trace on the outside of the cell membrane of its presence.

The mechanics of the process literally makes it impossible for the spike to “mark” a cell. It’s the other viral bits of Coronaviruses that do that.

And the most likely culprit here are the mantle proteïns.
The transport helper proteïns are produced in pretty limited amounts. couple 10’s, maybe couple 100 to a cell, to keep exposure limited. The mantle proteïn is produced in bulk.

And those proteïns have a pretty distinctive feature: They integrate into the cell membrane.
Meant to, because that’s the whole point of them in opening up the membrane bubble the virus gets imported as and releasing the viral contents.
They are also meant to be on the inside if the host cell membrane. Not the outside where they can be detected.

Which is, in fact what happens when infected cell contents get released, and the serum, and later the blood stream gets flooded with mantle proteïns that are not integrated into viral bodies as they’re meant to.
They , too, have an affinity for the same receptor as the spike, but are far less effective in binding to them.
So they will tend to concentrate in areas where that receptor is very prevalent, and do their job: integrate themselves into the cell membrane around the target receptor.
They can also end up pretty much anywhere else.

Only, with the spike not present to initiate the first stage of insertion, they end up on the outside of the cell membrane. Where they can be detected by the immune system.
And cause an infection reaction, even when there is no actual infection.
A big one, since a lot of cells get “tainted” in this way if the titer of the mantle protein gets high enough.
If it gets bad enough, it can and will trigger that cytokine storm, even.

And the biggest target for those mantle proteïns is… the vascular system, since the target proteïn is part of our vasoconstriction setup.
Now the total area of our blood vessels is huge, and most of it isn’t all that reactive, except in places where you need strict regulation of blood and plasma flow. Mostly kidney, liver and pancreas at a removed third place.
And. The. Heart.

And it’s funny how infections with Coronaviruses have some typical complications, including renal failure, blood poisoning from your liver getting squeezed off, and a host of generic symptoms attributable to your pancreas doing a wobble, with all the hormonal mayhem involved.
And, of course, arrythmia caused by acute myocarditis, as the whole coronal artery system does a wobble, and gets attacked by the immune system at the same time.

But it isn’t the spike doing that, it physically can’t. Ith Physicth, Marther!
Which also means that the so much maligned Wu-Flu Vaccine cannot be the cause of any rise in myocarditis.
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But the mantle proteins can…
And while the vaccine improves the chance of detection by the immune system, it is not perfect.
Can’t be, no matter how much propaganda ( of which there was…) you throw at it. Physics again…
So you will get infections in vaccinated persons. Just as many as in unvaccinated people, actually. You just severely reduce the chance of actually developing symptoms. “Shrug it off” , which is what the vaccine is meant to do.

So you get a pool of unvaccinated people who may or may not have shrugged off The Bug by themselves. And displayed all the Symptoms, however minor.
And a fraction of those, possibly the ones with a mutated receptor primarily, but that’s never been researched to my knowledge, will develop myocarditis as a result. Even though they were “Healthy” before.
Which is what Science™ expects to happen.

In the much larger pool of vaccinated people, there will be infections.
At a lower rate, since the vaccine does do what it states on the jar: give “immunity” to the virus, roughly equivalent to someone who has had it Au Naturel.
It is slightly different, because the vaccine only trains against the spike, and catching the virus early means that the secondary immunisation against the mantle proteïns doesn’t happen initially.
You only get that after a Real Infection, when you’ve ran the full course, however brief and minor.

Which also explains the difference in immunological profiule between vaccinated and unvaccinated: A different, parallel immune system gets activated later, and at a different level of urgency.

But… Within that much larger pool of vaccinated the distribution of the alternative receptors should be the same.
Except it isn’t, because people with the Alternative are more likely to already have cardiovascular problems, so will be overrepresented, because they are part of the Groups at Risk.
So you get the effect that even at a lower infection rate, with less symptoms, “silent” CoVid infections will induce more complications in that group.
Because the group is that large and concentrates the people most likely to develop those complications.

So you get the effect that it seems the vaccine “induces myocardia”.
Because the statistics did not compensate for a skewed risk profile, and did not even consider the most obvious culprit hiding in plain sight: the CoVid mantle proteïn.
Because it is considered Mostly Harmless. Which it is, except when it ends up in places it isn’t supposed to be. A common occurence in Biology.

And it can be clearly shown it does end up at the wrong place during a natural infection with CoVid, as well in diminished infections post-jab in the vaccinated.
Which explains a lot about the general and generic damage/symptom profile of Long Covid.
Not only did the proteïns end up in the Wrong Place, they can end up everywhere. Creating a lot of “minor damage” in bulk all over the place.
And that a lot of Scientists™ need to re-take Statistics 101 and several other subjects.
Can’t expect much from Politicians and Journo’s, but you can damn well expect “scientists” to be aware amd wary of the Cause-Effect conundrum. Especially in statistics.

In conclusion:

“Professor” vandenBossche is a Murphy. Just in a different field of “expertise”.
The spike produced from the vaccine mRNA cannot induce myocarditis. Maybe other things, but not that.
The CoVid mantle proteïn can, and does so. With a standard distribution depending on exposure and personal sensitivity.
Which means that the vaccinated group is more likely to develop this specific complication, since it includes most of the people most at elevated risk due to constitution.
A hell of a lot of people pretending to be Scientists are merely incompetent Academics who can’t handle their science or statistics. But we already knew that.

If you got this far… I hope my little dissertation cleared up some things.
Not that it matters to the Convinced… The readership here is in their own way just as dogged in their Convictions as the average Guardianista.
But at least I tried.

There is a large amount of cross over, the principles of immunology don’t change much. Van den Bossche wasn’t at GAVI for his large animal expertise.

The bloke who runs Pfizer is a veterinarian too. He told you the vaccine would stay in the deltoid. You probably believed him.

Anyway, get boosted – you should be in your tenth by now I think? – and I hope you’re well.

Interested,

Indeed… vandenBossche wasn’t at GAVI for his large animal expertise. He was there as an “Expert”, which word nowadays doesn’t mean what people think it does. Inconceivable!!
He was there for the exact reasons Murphy would love to be in the UN equivalent regarding Tax and Global Fairness: Grift and Recognition.
He also left because of the same reasons Murphy leaves any organisation he was a part of.

See the pattern?

And the “bloke who runs Pfizer” could be a car mechanic originally. C-level job, not Lab-level job.
Different expertise and qualities needed in the correct and efficient performance of.

As for the ad-hominem and well-wishes… Sour Grapes, much?

For any still following this strand, many of the deaths from vaccines have been falsely recorded as deaths from Covid.

Here’s a rare example where the authorities changed the death certificate to the truth (after two years of pressure):

https://coquindechien.substack.com/p/shocking-update-to-the-real-cdc-and?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=793142&post_id=144081631&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=36p8q&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email