The programme collates allegations made by 10 men, most in the US, some who worked with Spacey when he was the director of the Old Vic theatre in London. With the exceptions of one who was at high school with Spacey, and another who says he encountered him in 1981 long before he was famous, the men all level more or less the same accusation: an influential man made unwanted advances to them and, at the time, they didn’t feel able to complain. Only one has come forward publicly before.
If someone insists upon concluding unwanted advances, perhaps carrying on with unwanted advances, then that’s a crime. If someone makes unwanted advances then that’s human sexuality.
There is, obviously enough, always a question about whether an advance is wanted or not. That cannot be resolved unless an advance is made, considered and accepted or rejected. Someone, somewhere, has to ask “You wanna, you know?” or no you know will ever happen.
To complain about advances is to be non-human. To insist upon completing rejected advances is to be criminal. Most of what’s interesting about human sexuality (no, not sex, but the surrounds of it) happens between the two.
You do have a point Tim. If you don’t ask, you’ll never know.
Of course, if they then tell you to fuck off, that’s certainly their right and privilege.
“To complain about advances is to be non-human.”
Well, maybe, but if the likes of Spacey had suggested he do stuff to my anus, I’d complain to anyone who wanted to hear. What I wouldn’t do is go to the police or initiate a civil case.
It probably evens itself out. If you are a talented celebrity, you can certainly get a lot more sex than you would have done otherwise. But you run the risk of being privately labelled a failed desperate lecher or a gross pervert if you are turned down.
one who was at high school with Spacey, and another who says he encountered him in 1981 long before he was famous
High school? They’ve really scraped the bottom of the barrel haven’t they? The previous cases (where he’s been conclusively cleared) have been all smoke and no fire, often involving people with suspiciously ailing careers.
Sounds to me like the worst you can say is Kev’s gaydar misfires after a few drinks.
Funny enough I found myself in a similar situation to this recently. I met a person socially. This person made certain advances which I responded to in a positive manner. Then I was made aware that despite seeming an entirely convincing very attractive women in her late twenties he was in fact a tranny. So what we had was two mistaken people. His that his advances would be acceptable. Mine, not realising what he in fact was. So we sorted the mistakes out amicably between us, no hard feelings.
Sure, I’ve brushed with the gay world on occasion. And some of them can be remarkably reluctant to take no for an answer. Pain in the arse, if you’ll excuse the expression. You tell them to fuck off. Usually works in the end. It’s nothing to get your knickers in a twist over. Just life. We supposed to believe these blokes weren’t aware of that? In the world they were moving in? Do me a favour. This sounds like tales of the performatively offended to me.
Sure, I’ve brushed with the gay world on occasion.
Oh aye? Just remember to say ‘no homo’ afterwards.
Yo do not make sexual advances unless given the mating signal.
Regrettably, with the shirt lifting community BiG, they can take virtually anything as a mating signal.
I understand where Bloke in Spain is coming from – no pun intended. There is that attractive South East Asian girl at the black jack table in the casino at Faro; you wouldn’t possibly guess until they started chatting away.
Any way, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
bis @ 4.28, unfortunately some blokes think a bird saying ‘hello’ to them with a smile means they fancy you….. (I was going to add something about some of our ‘enriching’ inhabitants. But I won’t).