There’s a shocking absence in this election: politicians won’t mention the Israel-Gaza war
Owen Jones
This is a General Election in Britain. Therefore the issues being discussed are to do with Britain.
That’s democracy for you……
There’s a shocking absence in this election: politicians won’t mention the Israel-Gaza war
Owen Jones
This is a General Election in Britain. Therefore the issues being discussed are to do with Britain.
That’s democracy for you……
There were complaints the other day that one politician mentioned Kashmir.
The loathsome herbert Jones was of course complaining only yesterday that the anti-semitic gang rape of a child shouldn’t be politicised, presumably because that sort of politicisation makes his side look bad
Quote: “This week alone, Israel has threatened “all out war” with Lebanon, while Hezbollah’s leader threatens a war “without rules or ceilings”, dangling the prospect of a far graver bloodbath than that unleashed by Israel’s genocidal rampage in Gaza. ”
The “bloodbath” was unleashed by HAMAS, killing 1,400 civilians and taking hundreds more hostage.
Where the hell has Owen been, under a rock? I switched on the news in the week to see a party political for Galloway’s rabble, the ‘British Workers Party’
And what, according to it, is the burning issue for British workers?
Gaza, apparently.
For ‘British Workers Party’ read ‘Pakistani Shirkers Party’.
The shocking absence is that none of the politicians want to talk about Lockdowns, vaccines, mandatory shots for health service personnel, masking and the entire farrago of ‘pandemic’ measures all as pointless as they were tyrannical.
Wouldn’t it be fun if the journos could ask the pols their opinion on the state of Kansas suing pfizer? Couldn’t happen because the journos were complicit, of course.
There’ll be no shortage of pro-pally mentions, using language which if directed against any other religious minority would result in lengthy incarceration, as the results are being announced in two weeks time.
A word of caution though Owen. No matter how supportive your views may be don’t expect a friendly welcome from your Muslim brothers should you foolishly decide to visit their constituencies even though it will undoubtedly be warm.
Interesting that the left seems to be the most imperialist of the ideologies these days.
Since the UK only ruled the place for about 30 years, and it’s been independent since just after I was born, I’d argue that it’s really none of your concern.
Neither political party will commit to ending arms sales, even though the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court – himself a British lawyer – has requested arrest warrants for both the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and his defence minister, Yoav Gallant, for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity.
A “British lawyer” with the stoutly British name of Karim Asad Ahmad Khan, innit.
So we return to the question: is this a serious country or not?
Honk, Honk!
– This is a General Election in Britain. Therefore the issues being discussed are to do with Britain.
But the Israel – Hamas war is an issue to do with Britain; it’s a massive foreign policy concern and we should see what all the scumbags have to say about it. If Starmer is going to give us an Islamic foreign policy then the people should know about it. Likewise with Farage and his admiration for Putin.
PJF – Remember, we’re at the kiddy table, so things like Ukraine now saying it needs $800 billion to “defeat Russia” or what our exit plan is for the most dangerous conflict on European soil since 1945 won’t be discussed.
Drive-by smears, such as accusing Nigel Farage of being a KGB agent, are as close as we get to the adult conversation.
Obvs, the establishment parties don’t want to talk about Israel because they’re terrified of that peaceful religion. That’s why MPs have private security guards now.
Steve: And where are the arrest warrants for Hamas for war crimes?
I’m sure the Muslims will get right on that, jgh
It’s not an Israel – Gaza war, it’s an Israel – Hamas war. Big difference.
And Owen being Owen, he’s backing the side that would happily kill him for what he is.
The British aren’t the best at much, but one thing they are best at is producing truly insufferable twats.
Likewise with Farage and his admiration for Putin.
As a shrewd politician. And you’d need to be to get to the top & stay on top in Russia. A country were not being shrewd can be terminal. The UK could have done with politicians of the shrewdness of Putin who would have actually Got Brexit Done. Maybe Nige is one?
But it does seem to be a feature of modern political discussion. If the person under discussion doesn’t tick all the right boxes it’s impossible to discuss them objectively. See Trump Derangement Syndrome. I’d have no hesitation in saying Uncle Dolfo was a very clever man. At least until he turned a bit barking. You don’t get to be the Chancellor of Germany in the 30’s by being a moron. But that isn’t an endorsement for Nazi Party policy (I’ll leave that for another comment)
Owen has been out supporting a moslem candidate in Ilford North, ably demonstrating just how really thick he is. Try doing it in Gaza matey……..
And it is common knowledge that the Ukraine catastrophe is a result of NATO (read: US) policy. Nothing Farage has said is controversial or beyond dispute, except to those who have bought and continue to push the lie that it’s all that nasty Vlad’s fault.
Not saying the invasion was OK btw, but the Cuban Missile crisis didn’t start with the Russkies putting nukes on Cuba, it started with NATO putting nukes in Turkey in 1959.
I think Trump has something of Hitler about him. He has that ability to reach past the hangers on & appeal directly to people. A magnetic personality. Something Biden could never achieve. And it wouldn’t the least surprise me if he’s been clever enough to study the Master & learn from him. Again, he’s certainly not a stupid man.
The British aren’t the best at much, but one thing they are best at is producing truly insufferable twats.
You need the university system, Dennis. Although your one isn’t doing so badly
– As a shrewd politician.
There are other words than “admire” to indicate an appreciation that someone is a dangerous and clever operator. A shrewd politician would know that, and wouldn’t make such an unforced error during an election interview.
I think the Gaza problem should most definitely be laid at the door of the responsible colonial power.
Isn’t there some corner of Turkey where you could resettle these people in some level of dignity?
Nigel’s failure is in saying something unnecessarily stupid at a time when it stands to hurt his party.
Even I will begrudgingly admit he is right, technically, as was Krah in saying that not all members of the SS were war criminals. Still stupid shit to say.
NATO is a club that sovereign countries are free to join as not. It’s none of Russia’s business if any other country is interested in signing up, that’s entirely between NATO and the applicant country. Hell, maybe Russia itself could and should have considered joining at some point, and ought to at some point in future? Why not? If anything it ought to be a bit of a signal about what people think of them that so many of their former colonies were so quick to join.
The only major error NATO has made in my view was in attacking Serbia, getting involved on one side of a messy civil war, and something that had nothing to do with the security of any NATO member. Acknowledging that and stating a repeat can’t happen might help a lot.
PJF – There are other words than “admire” to indicate an appreciation that someone is a dangerous and clever operator.
I think you might be surprised by how little people give a fuck about this.
Addolff – except to those who have bought and continue to push the lie that it’s all that nasty Vlad’s fault.
Also the magical thinking that, if only Putin dies or is replaced, Russia will suddenly do whatever the USA and EU wants.
Putin represents the moderate faction in Russia.
BiG – The only major error NATO has made in my view was in attacking Serbia
The destruction of Libya is more recent, and we’re still seeing millions of migrants as a direct result of that war.
And encouraging civil war in Syria. And wasn’t Afghanistan presented as being a NATO operation?
BiG, are you off your meds?
Turkey has a land border with two EU countries and the Channel is only 21 miles wide.
Keeping Gaza a concentration camp for these murderous imbeciles is exactly what I want.
@TMB
The shocking absence is that none of the politicians want to talk about Lockdowns, vaccines, mandatory shots for health service personnel, masking and the entire farrago of ‘pandemic’ measures all as pointless as they were tyrannical.
quite so. Funny that Sunak isn’t crowing about the world beating success of the vaccine roll out or how Starmer isn’t saying I told you so when he protested against dangerous relaxation of the lock down restrictions.
Almost as if they know something.
Our chief errors were Serbia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, and an almost fanatical devotion to folly.
Can anyone remember any reason why Iraq wasn’t passed off as a NATO op?
NATO wasn’t even the excuse let alone the cause. As Steve kept telling us it was about deNazifying Ukraine in a 3 day SMO. The fact that the only Nazis are wearing Russian uniforms doesn’t seem to cause much of a problem now.
If Putin was truly worried about NATO he wouldn’t be moving all his troops from St Petersburg and throwing them in to Ukraine meat grinder.
DM – yarp, for a “defensive alliance”, it’s funny how NATO has never fought to defend its members, but has repeatedly launched aggressive wars against countries that aren’t even in the North Atlantic.
But we live in a world where elected officials refuse to do what their voters want, the established Church doesn’t believe in God, and search engines hide results from you, so I dunno why I’m surprised at a “defensive alliance” that spends all its time formenting war.
BiS – Trump has something of Hitler about him
Tiberius Gracchus, innit
But the situation requires a Caesar.
As Steve kept telling us it was about deNazifying Ukraine in a 3 day SMO.
This is the problem with Commando Comics Warspunking, BiND. You lose track of who said what in all the excitement and jizz.
I never said it was a “3 day” war, it was the Pentagon that predicted Kiev would fall in 3 days.
– I think you might be surprised by how little people give a fuck about this.
Maybe, Steve; but at least they now know about what they’re not giving a shit about.
And it might be you who is surprised; Trump has ratcheted down his anti-Ukraine rhetoric since he discovered how badly it was polling for him. I suspect Farage doing a self-own like that on this matter will cost him votes. The closer the election gets the more people will start sweating about how much punishing the Tories is actually going to cost them.
PJF – the Ukraine war isn’t popular outside a fairly narrow demographic of older men who hate Russia for whatever reason.
It’s not even popular in Ukraine, which is resorting to trying to kidnap firemen and ambulance crews and the like, to feed to the meat grinder.
The closer the election gets the more people will start sweating about how much punishing the Tories is actually going to cost them.
Bet you a Hobnob that they don’t.
The Tories are done here. No amount of sniggering posh twats attempting to concern troll the electorate will revive them.
philip, we do, I agree, have the slight problem that “Joooos stealed all our landz” is now the founding myth of an entirely new People, and you will never erase it.
It was more of an offhand comment about how the UK isn’t the only colonial power in history, and in the case of the middle east there definitely is a much longer and darker shadow cast by a far more important colonial power, but no one seems to remember for some reason.
On Krah and silly mistakes, wasn’t this in the context of the Günter Grass revelation (years ago) that he had been enrolled into the Waffen-SS at the end of the war. The Waffen-SS was an altogether different organisation from the SS and in the twilight years conscripted teenagers were drafted in and ergo not likely to be war criminals as the term is generally understood.
Still, you’re quite right of course that this is not something that the head of the AfD list (of all people) should be saying although I wonder if the confected scandal actually cost the party votes. Germany has gone collectively and irretrievably bonkers: Woman receives a two-day prison sentence for insulting a rapist.
Tiberius Gracchus, innit But the situation requires a Caesar.
Whatever that’s supposed to mean. Roman history isn’t my strong suit. Bit before my time.
If you’d read what I wrote, it was nothing about Trumps politics or even his opinions. It was simply about his style & public persona. Because, maybe regrettably, in a democratic election they’re the things that are popular with the public.
Regarding Farage’s mouth. There’s a bit a campaign going on at the moment to find things people have said in the past & then use them against them in the present. Starmer’s response seems to be to deny he ever held those opinions & that he always held the opposite & you’d have to be a pretty dedicated Starmer fan to swallow that one. Farage’s is to own what he said & explain the context in which he said it. Whereupon large numbers of people are finding they harbour exactly the same opinions.
I think people are getting pissed off watching the media rewriting history in front of their eyes.
BiS – Julius Caesar was a famous Roman dictator.
I know what you meant, btw, even though his style and public persona are nothing like Hilty’s.
Starmer’s response seems to be to deny he ever held those opinions & that he always held the opposite & you’d have to be a pretty dedicated Starmer fan to swallow that one. Farage’s is to own what he said & explain the context in which he said it. Whereupon large numbers of people are finding they harbour exactly the same opinions.
Yes, people are tired of media gotcha games and politicians who only talk soapy titwank because they’re terrified of “gaffes”.
We don’t need any more emasculated liars in our society.
“We don’t need any more emasculated liars in our society.”
Or in this forum. Fuck off.
I am not a huge fan of Reform as I think there’s not much substance under the rhetoric but then under the rhetoric from all the other parties here lies the reality.
– Imminent Global War on top of what has to be the most lunatic foreign policy misadventure in the past century
– Total destruction of the economy to service the God of Net Zero
– Importation of a city the size of Birmingham every year
– Complete destruction of all White people and their families
– mass child molestation and the destruction of gender
– Perpetual lockdown and innumerable future COVID style bio weapon releases
– bans on eating meat and dairy as well as alcohol
Next to that The Ukraine War is a localized skirmish. I have far more concern about George Soros, Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and their acolyte’s activities than anything Putin is doing.
@BiG after the fall of the Soviet Union there was talk of joining NATO from Yeltsin, I think there’s been other discussions but that’s the one I recall
Or in this forum. Fuck off.
he said, his lip trembling in self-righteous indignation.
“That’ll show that mean old Steve,” he thought. “Time to masturbate an owl.”
BniC – it was Pooty Poot who asked Billy Bob if Russia could join NATO.
Clinton said sure, but then the learned elders of the US State Department heard about it and Russia was told in no uncertain terms that NATO is the No Russia Club.
Putin has spoken about this publicly many times, it’s a shame nobody listens.
Van_Patten,
“I am not a huge fan of Reform as I think there’s not much substance under the rhetoric but then under the rhetoric from all the other parties here lies the reality.”
I’m not worrying about the substance because Labour are going to win here anyway. All I want Reform to do is finish second so that the Conservatives become the “wasted vote”, and for this to happen across the country, so they’re permanently knackered as a party. Reform have years to sort out the substance, grow as a party, get more organised.
Or maybe even, the Conservatives realise they need to stop being such a bunch of wets, although I think most of them would rather just be losers.
“I think you might be surprised by how little people give a fuck about this.”
The sort of people who give a f*ck about it are the ones who wouldn’t vote Reform in a million years. The Tories have spent the last 10 years bending over backwards not to offend the sort people who hate them and want them dead in a ditch anyway. Nige probably realises this.
“NATO is a club that sovereign countries are free to join as not. It’s none of Russia’s business if any other country is interested in signing up, that’s entirely between NATO and the applicant country.”
I wonder what would happen if China started its own version of NATO (PATO?)and Mexico (or Canada for that matter) wanted to join it. I’m sure the USA would be very understanding about national sovereignty and all…………..right up to the point the cruise missiles hit Mexico City or Ottowa.
WB, I think most of the current cohort of politicians (and civil servants) would be more than happy to see British civilization burned to the ground, as long as they get to be the ones in charge.
As long as the current lot remain breathing then nothing will change. FFS, look how the likes of Heseltine still drip poison into political debate in this day and age.
Jim has it
And we will see a number of countries signing up to the new Sino – Russian pact as the continued assistance to Ukraine continues. Especially if Biden does win (and he seems almost certain to – what I am shocked at is how little the Dems seem to care that their president is a pederast Zombie who has presided over the invasion of the country – it’s almost as if they have perfected the techniques used in 2020 and know they will win regardless) these erstwhile allies in the EU are in for a shock if they think the Dems base will Come to their aid against China and Iran and whatever other countries join up.
I’ve also got to admit to a sneaky admiration for Snag. Always been fond of ‘David vs Goliath’ clashes. Still think Steve talks consistent sense so it’s a million to one shot.
TMB, even I haven’t sat through the entire 6 hour interview for full context of the remark.
You ought to be careful, as lead candidate of a party that is constantly accused (to my mind mostly unfairly) of being Nazi, to not make any statement that is Nazi.
It’s not like the soundbite gotcha is a recent innovation.
Jim, that’s kind of the point of NATO.
“Jim, that’s kind of the point of NATO.”
I’m obviously thick. Your point is?
Mine is that if another large power behaved towards the US in the way the US has behaved towards Russia via its Ukraine policy, the US would react just like Russia has, probably worse. The US would never accept one of its direct neighbours, or even near neighbours falling under the power of a global competitor. The US was prepared to precipitate a nuclear war over Cuba remember, so lets not pretend they wouldn’t behave exactly as Russia has if they were threatened by a rival geopolitical power bloc absorbing a neighbouring country into its sphere of influence.
adolf, jim, steve
Well said
Let’s see what Putin said about Ukraine & NATO:
“ On the topic of Ukraine’s accession to NATO, the Russian President said that it was entitled to make the decision independently. He does not see it as something that could cloud the relations between Russia and Ukraine. But President Putin stressed that Russia’s position on the expansion of the bloc remained unchanged”
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/43122
On the subject of how long Putin expected the conquest of Kiev to take: His troops had their dress uniforms with them as well as only a few days supplies – not the actions of an army expecting to get bogged down in trench warfare but one that was prepared for a quick victory and to be carrying out victory parades with days.
The US hasn’t acted directly to halt Russian colonialism since Vietnam. And Russia has had NATO on its border for decades so adding 1 more country changes little.
I wonder why all those former Russian colonies were so keen to sign up? To make Hunter Biden rich, i guess.
Or was it not wanting to be colonised by Russia again, as Ukraine is finding out the hard way?
BiG: well said!!
I’m still puzzling over how Ukraine, a country all the ‘right people’ said was a den of iniquity and neo-Nazis is suddenly somehow the plucky hero we are all supposed to be cheering for.
It’s almost as quick and inexplicable as the way trans rights have somehow captured the world’s politicians and media.
Julia
I suggest Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop Grumman and BAE along with those privileged individuals who decide how and where to dole out Biden’s billions might have had a hand in directing this Volte Face.
The Afghan war couldn’t be dragged out forever so another theatre of endless hyper-expensive stalemate, many thousands of miles away, was needed. The need to replace $80bn of armaments so abruptly abandoned was the icing on the cake.
“I suggest Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop Grumman and BAE along with those privileged individuals who decide how and where to dole out Biden’s billions might have had a hand in directing this Volte Face.”
Correct. Eisenhower had it right, he saw what WW2 had done to the US economy and political environment. The military industrial complex needs its constant infusions of cash, and not to become redundant. And the only way to not become redundant is to constantly agitate for wars, somewhere.
Julia, my neighbour is an absolute cunt. Total and utter on the scale of cuntishness. Does that mean I can try and drive him out, and when I fail just take over a third of his house and garden? That would be taken as reasonable justification, yes? Because he’s a cunt?
Since your handle is BiG, I assume your neighbor isn’t Richard Murphy.
Owens is confused. Hamas is fond of Suicide Bombers, not suicide bummers.
“Join NATO”
Yep, twice. The ~2000 attempt (Putin/Carter) was well documented. Lord Robertson (Sec Gen of NATO at the time) has also written about it unambiguously in the Guardian.
Both times, the
CIA/military industrial complexUSA firmly said no. People clearly interpret these and various other events that have subsequently taken place in different ways.Julia, my neighbour is an absolute cunt. Total and utter on the scale of cuntishness. Does that mean I can try and drive him out, and when I fail just take over a third of his house and garden? That would be taken as reasonable justification, yes? Because he’s a cunt?
If he killed 14,000 members of my extended family, then yes I would go fuck him up.
– If he killed 14,000 . . .
Russian propaganda is almost as reliable as Palestinian propaganda, suitable for children and morons.
Easily verifiable is the fact that (Russian occupied) Donetsk city is still largely intact after ten years on the front line (including 2 years of full war) whereas equivalents under Ukrainian control targetted by Russia are almost totally demolished.