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In which we can identify who is a fascist

He fits the stereotype. Let me explain what the stereotype is. The stereotype of fascism is the strong man who comes in and says, “I am able to deal with the threat to you, the ordinary person, from “the other”” (who they define as the enemy) “and I will deliver you into salvation.”

By which standard Karl Marx was a fascist – the capitalists! In which Lenin was a fascist – the capitalists! By which anyone who says that they, them, there, are the problem are fascist by the way they insist that they, them, there are the problem to be dealt with.

In his list, Jason Stanley said that there are ten characteristics of fascism.

The first is a mythical past. The claim is that there was an ideal to which we will aspire.

Those halcyon days of 1976 when the country was more equal.

Then there’s propaganda. The whole point about fascism is propaganda. It’s there to attack your enemy. The enemy may not be real.

Political economists working not on what is actually economic but on creating narratives that cut through.

And then a lack of reality: an unreality. It’s all about conspiracy theories, that there are these “others” who are threatening us, and they create these theories to support that idea.

Well, quite.

What else is there? There’s hierarchy. The whole purpose of fascism is to promote the idea that we live in a structured society where there’s an organization of power which we should respect.

As someone fighting climate change I get to take ‘plane flights. You proles do not.

Over the next five years, we have to put in place robust systems to defeat fascism. If we don’t, we are in the deepest of trouble in this country.

Those, them, they, that endanger us are the fascists. Give me power and I’ll protect you from them.

Some people just don’t do self-reflection, do they?

16 thoughts on “In which we can identify who is a fascist”

  1. The stereotype of fascism is the strong man who comes in and says, “I am able to deal with the threat to you,

    So nearly all the MPs were fascists in 2020. Will we get rid of enough of them, though?

  2. “ we have to put in place robust systems to defeat fascism”

    “Robust”, eh? Does that sound a bit, well , fascist to you?

    I bet there’ll be a smart uniform for the Anti-Fascist Brigade.

  3. Isn’t it amazing the intellectual contortions that must be gone through to prove that fascism is absolutely not an offshoot of socialism, no nothing to see here so move along!

  4. Actually, when I consider the present day left, their opinions seem to me to be pretty close to those of dear old Adolf.

    Of course the racial hatred of whites rather than Jews suggests that it flowed into modern discourse via those heroic WW2 freedom fighters throughout the empire who felt that Adolf was right. And wished he’d polish off those beastly Brits once and for all.

  5. The stereotype of fascism is the strong man who comes in and says, “I am able to deal with the threat to you, the ordinary person, from “the other”” (who they define as the enemy) “and I will deliver you into salvation.”

    Yes, fascism is a self defence mechanism for ordinary people.

  6. Tim,
    Quit buggering about with the comments and introduce a Like button.

    (Yes, I know it’s not your doing but still…)

  7. Quite, I imagine when Murphy looks in the mirror he sees George Clooney, not a fugly gnome, looking back

  8. The first is a mythical past.
    That must be the mythical past when the UK was 97% white. Funny thing. When I lived in it, it never felt mythical. Don’t think I ever saw a unicorn. Maybe the odd goblin but they could easily have been Welsh.

  9. I’d argue you could use the term ‘totalitarian’ as Murphy is more Stalinist.

    What I would consider though is which people:

    – advocated shutting people into their homes for the duration of a respiratory virus. Closing pubs and other venues indefinitely

    – want to ban eating meat and dairy

    – want to ban personal transport

    That to me is true fascism and of course Murphy is squarely behind it. In addition, one of the defining characteristics of Nazism is anti- semitism, the leading practitioners of which in the UK Murphy stands entirely behind.

    It’s also absurd to suggest no one is talking about it. Anyone opposing Big Trans and DIE let alone all the other left wing rubbish is frequently described as a fascist. The notion that the Tories are ‘far right’ is also a comical one.

  10. “I am able to deal with the threat to you, the ordinary person, from “the other” and I will deliver you into salvation.”

    I know who that is: Jesus Christ.

  11. I’s argue the Uk’s been moving steadily towards fascism since Blair. The current Tory mob have been completing the process & Starmer will consolidate it.

  12. I’ll make this comment here not because I think Farage is a Fascist, I don’t and neither is Trump, but because it fits.

    I mostly like what Farage does but I disagree with him on Russia and Ukraine and I think he’s taken the cowards way out blaming the biased BBC. If he really believed what he said he’d appear on any and every platform he was offered to make his case.

  13. A long post to fisk so may need two parts…

    It’s time to talk about fascism.

    True enough – gangs of Hamas supporters have been occupying parts of London on demonstrations for 8 months. The police have nary lifted a finger. And yet when confronted with real fascism, there in the flesh, it doesn’t merit a single mention in your narrative. Do you think a group that wants the extermination of the Jewish people – directly paralleling the Nazis key pillar of their agenda are openly on the streets, they need to be challenged? Apparently not!

    I hate to have to bring it up. It’s not a subject that one wishes to raise in polite conversation. But in reality, it’s with us. Alongside us. And we have to deal with it.

    This is another lie. The term ‘Far right’ which you seem to use interchangeably with Fascism I would say appears in 80% of your posts. It even referred to the Adam Smith Institute in a previous post which like so many was Manifestly ludicrous so to suggest you ‘hate to bring it up’ is untrue.

    It is a major factor in three current elections.

    You could argue it’s very real in the EU. A project designed, like Fascism, to destroy national identity specifically – but yet you seem strangely blasé about that real threat to individual identity. Perhaps because you see in it the ‘right’ kind of totalitarianism. Controlled by people like yourself. I’d say ‘read the Road to Serfdom’ but it would probably go over your head.

    I have no doubt at all that Trump is a fascist in the USA.
    He fits the stereotype. Let me explain what the stereotype is. The stereotype of fascism is the strong man who comes in and says, “I am able to deal with the threat to you, the ordinary person, from “the other”” (who they define as the enemy) “and I will deliver you into salvation.”  

    You appear to be describing yourself here. ‘neoliberals’, ‘The Far Right’ and other myriad ‘ evils’ can be vanquished if you follow ‘The Green New Deal’ or ‘The taxing wealth report’. Trump has overcome a campaign of organised corruption and mendacity almost unparalleled anywhere in the world, against people who embody monstrous evil and totalitarianism. Perfect he isn’t but he is no fascist. You, on the other hand have proven yourself as a blogosphere denizen almost without parallel in cyberspace. Your crimes without number. Your villainy without apparent end.

    But in practice, what they will do is organise the economy for the benefit of the very rich, who are the people that they really serve? That is what fascism is really all about.

    As opposed to someone who has publicly stated that there ‘can be no cuts’ to public services or changes to public sector terms and conditions in spite of ongoing absence of service, appallingly low productivity and total indifference to the public they serve. Someone who organises society for the benefit of public sector unions, whom they serve. That is what totalitarianism is all about.

    And Trump typifies the role.
    There are others who try to do that in the world. For example, there are questions about Modi in India, and Oban in Hungary.

    There’s serious concerns about Kim Jong Un in North Korea, Xi Jinoing in China and Vladimir Putin in Russia. I think we are seeing the revival of communism, which has killed over 5 times as many people and imposes a tyranny far more total.

    But we’re now also seeing, of course, the rise of fascism in France.

    There is no doubt that Marie Le Pen’s party is fascist in orientation, and the threat that they make, based in particular on pure Islamophobia, is fascist in style.

    Given Islamophobia is a made up term and completely attempts to deflect attention from the religion’s appallingly retrograde attitude to women, Other religions and LGBT people, if that’s all you’ve got you have nothing.

    Have we got fascism in the UK? It’s a question that is uncertain as to the answer at present.
    Have we got neo-fascism? Yes, quite clearly we have.

    Strangely I would agree

    – We have people that think it’s acceptable to lock people in their homes to combat a disease, a crime more heinous than any in. The history of the UK.
    – We have people driving an ideology, in the form of ‘Net Zero’ that will result in the deaths of millions- overt advocacy of genocide
    – We have people advocating experimental vaccine use of medications which have killed thousands and making travel and employment conditional upon them

    Remind me of your attitude to lockdown, the COVID vaccines and ‘Net Zero’ again? Perhaps the purchase of a mirror might help.

    So let me explain what I think fascism is, and for this purpose I’m going to use the definition created by Jason Stanley in his 2020 book on the subject, because I think it’s more accessible than some of the other lists created by people like Umberto Eco, which are often cited, but tend to be a little dated now.

    No mention of anti- semitism which kind of destroys any validity your argument might have had.
    In his list, Jason Stanley said that there are ten characteristics of fascism.
    The first is a mythical past. The claim is that there was an ideal to which we will aspire. It’s not a chance that all right-wingers love a military parade. Some are particularly dedicated to D-Day in the UK.

    Even by your standards this is inept. D Day was conducted against a Nazi enemy, one led by a man seen as a fearless leader by numerous pro Palestinian campaigners who you view as ideological compadres. Your historical ignorance has no end and you harken back to the 1945 to 1979 period, an era where the survival of the UK as an independent concern was in serious jeopardy as some kind of Golden age.

    Then there’s propaganda. The whole point about fascism is propaganda. It’s there to attack your enemy. The enemy may not be real. For example, migrants are not actually a threat to anyone in the UK.

    Ask the victims of grooming gangs of Pakistani origin if Migrants ‘pose a threat’ – but of course you won’t do that because you are an evil bastard committed to the destruction of the country.

    But there’s always an “other” created by the fascist who is the person who has to be undermined by the propaganda machine.
    This creates the other who must be attacked. You are part of us, and then there’s “them” who are undermining you.

    Says the man who has blocked 25,000 people on Twitter and insulted sundry others as ‘neoliberal’ or ‘fascist’ as an almost reflex insult.

    The whole of this is, of course, anti-intellectual. Experts are questioned.
    “We’re going to drain the swamp.”
    “We’re going to clear the politics out of Westminster.”
    “We’re going to challenge the role of universities in education because they “poison the minds of our young people.”
     This is anti-intellectualism.

    You are neither an expert on anything nor an intellectual. Your musing on politics and economics have near zero merit with anyone of real understanding in either field. You are unable to tolerate any real debate without resorting to to personal invective and are one of the most obnoxiously offensive people extant in todays UK political scene.

    And then a lack of reality: an unreality. It’s all about conspiracy theories, that there are these “others” who are threatening us, and they create these theories to support that idea.

    That could describe 70% of your blog entries at a conservative estimate.

    The “people in boats” claim is one of those conspiracy theories, and the idea that this is all down to “smuggling gangs” is another one. Of course, there are smuggling gangs, but there needn’t be.

    The gangs are real and extremely well armed, financed and utterly without scruple. Their people smuggling is one arm of a myriad of complementary activities. I had not realised that organised crime syndicates like the Camorra and Mafia could be wished away by the stoke of the pen of some weapons grade ignoramus in the Fens. No doubt Interpol will be seeking your expertise forthwith.

    We could provide legal routes for people who wish to seek asylum in the UK with ease and solve the problem of smuggling gangs overnight.

    That’s a statement stupefying in its complacency and utter lack of understanding – what it does illustrate is your utter lack of understanding of second order consequences. It’s also odd for someone who champions himself as a ‘protector of the poor’ to want to import directly competing Labour?

    But, it’s much better for those who are enabling fascism, or something close to it, to claim that there are smuggling gangs, because then there’s an “other”, which there won’t be if people are coming over on a boat called a cross channel ferry.

    You have said there are smuggling gangs which have existed in many cases for centuries. Your application for Hime Secretary in the next Labour Government is unlikely to be successful if you think they can be wished away by simply allowing a billion people into the UK.

    What else is there? There’s hierarchy. The whole purpose of fascism is to promote the idea that we live in a structured society where there’s an organization of power which we should respect. Very, very male-orientated, of course. Very traditional. Very conservative. Very doff your cap, and everything else. It’s all about that, but it’s also about the morality of hard-working, law-abiding people, and that there are these who don’t comply with that. And they become the threat. You then become the victim.

    I’m not sure exactly what this means. You certainly seem to feel that you have merited a peerage for your efforts – a very real example of hierarchy. And you also got very hacked off when the BBC invited a female guest on to their airwaves who you felt lacked your expertise. The point about ‘
    Law abiding people is an interesting one. For you people who don’t work and who break the law should be prioritised. That has been policy for the last six decades or more so in fairness you are arguably in tune with the reality.

    And of course, that is the corollary of this us and them idea. Because the whole story is that people are being “victimized” by those who are the “other”.

    Sounds similar to someone who claims mysterious ‘bankers’ and ‘The City’ are declaring war on the people.

    And, to follow on from that, there’s always law and order. The idea that there’s a breakdown. The claim is that there’s only Sharia law in Birmingham, according to some people. There isn’t only Sharia law in Birmingham. There actually isn’t Sharia law in operation as a legal system anywhere in the UK. It’s all utter nonsense, but it’s claimed, nonetheless.

    That’s technically true but there are 30 Sharia ‘councils’ that advise on matters relating to Islam. It’s true that they have no official power to override the law but you try putting drag Queen story time in Alum Rock and see how you do if you think it’s utter nonsense. You also clearly have not followed either The Muslim vote candidates or Galloway’s bunch.

    And there’s a high degree of sexual anxiety implicit in the fascist story. If you’re straight,  you’re okay. If you’re gay or lesbian or bisexual or trans or queer or whatever else, you’re a threat. You’re not normal. And whether they say it or not, that’s one of their clear messages. It’s all about compliance. And they are threatened by people who are not compliant. And so they create this tension.

    As opposed to those people threatening to kill JK Rowling who are the reincarnation of Mother Theresa.

  14. I always thought Murphy was more fascist than nazi (Mussolini rather than Hitler), but his recent signs of anti-semitism makes me wonder if I was just misled by the physical resemblance.

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