Speaking of ignited flames the bbc is being typically coy about the perpetrators of the violence involving hundreds of people leading to a police car and a bus being set ablaze.
Numerous photos from the Daily Mail and Yorkshire Evening Post sites make it crystal clear who was involved. It’s those “Leeds men” again..
Ottokring
Looking at the pictures on the DT, although there are a majority from one particular grouping there is enough diversity to suggest that this is some cross community rioting.
@Ottokring: the initial disorder appears to have started when social services attempted to take some Roma children into care over an injury to the head of one. The ‘community’ then kicked off, the police were called out and when the situation got a bit hairy, incredibly, they RAN AWAY and left the streets to the now-very-multicultural mob.
It was a Green MP who stood on a Gaza ticket who tried his best to stop the rioting in the absence of those paid to do so.
Incidentally there was also disorder in Whitechapel in London too, over a political issue in Bangladesh…
John
Otto,
Agreed but the pictures of the bloke in the dark blue t-shirt with his hand holding a naked flame to the bus interior are pretty blatant. I wonder if West Yorkshire Police will be trying to find him or might that disrupt community relations?
Ottokring
Ah Roma… That I did not know, thank you Julia.
As to our 737
During the diversion, fuel escaping from the wing was ignited by the hot engine exhaust, and this was recorded on video by a passenger, but the flames extinguished before the landing.
Poor headline writing from the subs at the DT – not quite in the “Jet Death Plunge Shock Horror” league.
This sounds a bit like poor maintenance. Don’t airlines have the equivalent of wheeltappers for jet engines ? Some guy with a hammer hitting the blades ?
Ottokring
Couple more things :
That guy with the lighter and the bus – there was a shop nearby, couldn’t he have popped in and bought something flammable like fire lighters or half a bottle of vodka ?
The police car was a hybrid, which is good : eco friendly and all that, would have burnt well too.
ps Apols for my tag going missing above.
Bloke in Germany in Eire
Otto,
Speaking of which, where is the resident aircraft engineer of this parish?
John
Otto you are correct. I shouldn’t have tarred them all with the same brush and now realise what we saw was a microcosm of today’s typical northern English town.
Roma, Pakistani, home-grown white yobs, social services and almost non-existent policing. Light the blue touch paper but don’t bother retiring immediately, just hang around and do more damage – nobody’s going to stop you. Well not for at least an hour although curiously the media have no problem in getting there sooner.,
Turns out he’s a councillor not an MP. Whatever, he has more balls than the entire West Yorks police farce put together.
RichardT
Ottokring said:
“That guy with the lighter and the bus – there was a shop nearby, couldn’t he have popped in and bought something flammable like fire lighters or half a bottle of vodka ?”
Yes, it did seem very easy to set ablaze, if he just did it with that lighter. Unless there’s another bit that I haven’t seen.
bloke in spain
Depends what sort of lighter you use. There’s one knocking around here produces a blue roaring flame like a blow torch. It’d stay alight in any wind. Believe they’re popular with the crack smoking community.
RichardT
“West Yorkshire Police believe the disorder was ‘instigated by a criminal minority intend on disrupting community relations’” (quote from the Telegraph)
They’re lying again, aren’t they?
As Ottokring and others have pointed out, from the pictures this is clearly a large and multi-ethnic mob. Rather than “disrupting community relations”, this seems to have brought the community together to protect themselves against the State.
Dunno if the State was actually right or not (whether the children were in danger), but their past performance doesn’t give much confidence.
But a diverse community coming together against the combined forces of the State – that’s a new development. Be interesting to see how it plays out (from a comfortable distance of course).
RichardT
BiS, thank you, amazing what’s available these days.
Ottokring
I remember in the early eighties there was a scare about cheap French cigarette lighters that could wreak Greek Fire-like destruction if turned up too high. Based on a D Day Crocodile tank no doubt.
Dave Ward
“Some guy with a hammer hitting the blades ?”
You definitely don’t want to be hitting a highly stressed part of a jet engine with a hammer – even if it was readily accessible, which the blade(s) in question are not. These components are frequently made as matched sets, and carefully balanced. If one needs replacing it usually means the opposite blade has to be done as well, to maintain that balancing. But despite stringent testing & inspection things can still go wrong in subsequent service. The “Sioux City, Iowa” DC10 crash was found to have been caused by a small crack in one of the bypass fan blades which escaped detection. It took (AFAIR) 17 years and tens of thousands of hours before the blade disintegrated in flight…
@RichardT: yes, of course they are lying, they don’t have any other card to play here, because thanks to social media we can all see how this went down and do t have to rely on a ‘journalist’ to interpret it.
As to whether the children were in danger, getting a judge to issue a warrant to take an ethnic child or two into immediate care required a great deal of evidence, and the word is the Roma parents let younger siblings babysit their 7 month old who then fell out of a window. Off to NHS, safeguarding issues detected, so Roma parents discharged the kid and brought it home. Then it was off to the races!
Chris MIller
How badly can a child be hurt falling from the window of a caravan in a field? Or were these the non-travelling type of ‘traveller’?
Tim Worstall
Roma not traveller
Andrew again
Roma not Romanian
RichardT
Yvette Cooper has described the community action in Leeds as “unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality” and said “it’s really important that those individuals face the full force of the law”.
Funny how the Left are all in favour of street protest, and that we have to appreciate and meet the protesters concerns – until they’re in charge, when suddenly the desired response is heavy-handed police enforcement.
Speaking of ignited flames the bbc is being typically coy about the perpetrators of the violence involving hundreds of people leading to a police car and a bus being set ablaze.
Numerous photos from the Daily Mail and Yorkshire Evening Post sites make it crystal clear who was involved. It’s those “Leeds men” again..
Looking at the pictures on the DT, although there are a majority from one particular grouping there is enough diversity to suggest that this is some cross community rioting.
@Ottokring: the initial disorder appears to have started when social services attempted to take some Roma children into care over an injury to the head of one. The ‘community’ then kicked off, the police were called out and when the situation got a bit hairy, incredibly, they RAN AWAY and left the streets to the now-very-multicultural mob.
It was a Green MP who stood on a Gaza ticket who tried his best to stop the rioting in the absence of those paid to do so.
Incidentally there was also disorder in Whitechapel in London too, over a political issue in Bangladesh…
Otto,
Agreed but the pictures of the bloke in the dark blue t-shirt with his hand holding a naked flame to the bus interior are pretty blatant. I wonder if West Yorkshire Police will be trying to find him or might that disrupt community relations?
Ah Roma… That I did not know, thank you Julia.
As to our 737
During the diversion, fuel escaping from the wing was ignited by the hot engine exhaust, and this was recorded on video by a passenger, but the flames extinguished before the landing.
Poor headline writing from the subs at the DT – not quite in the “Jet Death Plunge Shock Horror” league.
This sounds a bit like poor maintenance. Don’t airlines have the equivalent of wheeltappers for jet engines ? Some guy with a hammer hitting the blades ?
Couple more things :
That guy with the lighter and the bus – there was a shop nearby, couldn’t he have popped in and bought something flammable like fire lighters or half a bottle of vodka ?
The police car was a hybrid, which is good : eco friendly and all that, would have burnt well too.
ps Apols for my tag going missing above.
Otto,
Speaking of which, where is the resident aircraft engineer of this parish?
Otto you are correct. I shouldn’t have tarred them all with the same brush and now realise what we saw was a microcosm of today’s typical northern English town.
Roma, Pakistani, home-grown white yobs, social services and almost non-existent policing. Light the blue touch paper but don’t bother retiring immediately, just hang around and do more damage – nobody’s going to stop you. Well not for at least an hour although curiously the media have no problem in getting there sooner.,
Turns out he’s a councillor not an MP. Whatever, he has more balls than the entire West Yorks police farce put together.
Ottokring said:
“That guy with the lighter and the bus – there was a shop nearby, couldn’t he have popped in and bought something flammable like fire lighters or half a bottle of vodka ?”
Yes, it did seem very easy to set ablaze, if he just did it with that lighter. Unless there’s another bit that I haven’t seen.
Depends what sort of lighter you use. There’s one knocking around here produces a blue roaring flame like a blow torch. It’d stay alight in any wind. Believe they’re popular with the crack smoking community.
“West Yorkshire Police believe the disorder was ‘instigated by a criminal minority intend on disrupting community relations’” (quote from the Telegraph)
They’re lying again, aren’t they?
As Ottokring and others have pointed out, from the pictures this is clearly a large and multi-ethnic mob. Rather than “disrupting community relations”, this seems to have brought the community together to protect themselves against the State.
Dunno if the State was actually right or not (whether the children were in danger), but their past performance doesn’t give much confidence.
But a diverse community coming together against the combined forces of the State – that’s a new development. Be interesting to see how it plays out (from a comfortable distance of course).
BiS, thank you, amazing what’s available these days.
I remember in the early eighties there was a scare about cheap French cigarette lighters that could wreak Greek Fire-like destruction if turned up too high. Based on a D Day Crocodile tank no doubt.
“Some guy with a hammer hitting the blades ?”
You definitely don’t want to be hitting a highly stressed part of a jet engine with a hammer – even if it was readily accessible, which the blade(s) in question are not. These components are frequently made as matched sets, and carefully balanced. If one needs replacing it usually means the opposite blade has to be done as well, to maintain that balancing. But despite stringent testing & inspection things can still go wrong in subsequent service. The “Sioux City, Iowa” DC10 crash was found to have been caused by a small crack in one of the bypass fan blades which escaped detection. It took (AFAIR) 17 years and tens of thousands of hours before the blade disintegrated in flight…
@RichardT: yes, of course they are lying, they don’t have any other card to play here, because thanks to social media we can all see how this went down and do t have to rely on a ‘journalist’ to interpret it.
As to whether the children were in danger, getting a judge to issue a warrant to take an ethnic child or two into immediate care required a great deal of evidence, and the word is the Roma parents let younger siblings babysit their 7 month old who then fell out of a window. Off to NHS, safeguarding issues detected, so Roma parents discharged the kid and brought it home. Then it was off to the races!
How badly can a child be hurt falling from the window of a caravan in a field? Or were these the non-travelling type of ‘traveller’?
Roma not traveller
Roma not Romanian
Yvette Cooper has described the community action in Leeds as “unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality” and said “it’s really important that those individuals face the full force of the law”.
Funny how the Left are all in favour of street protest, and that we have to appreciate and meet the protesters concerns – until they’re in charge, when suddenly the desired response is heavy-handed police enforcement.