Facts have not been altered by what happened to Trump over the weekend.
Trump has been found guilty of rape in a court of law.
He hasn’t, actually. Wikipedia:
In November 2022, Carroll filed a suit against Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act. On May 9, 2023, a New York jury in a civil case found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation against Carroll, but found him not liable for rape. They awarded Carroll US$5 million in damages.[6] In July 2023, Judge Kaplan stated that the jury had actually found that Trump had raped Carroll according to the common definition of the word as they had ruled that Trump had forcibly and nonconsensually penetrated Carroll’s vagina with his fingers.[7] New York state’s definition at the time defined rape as solely nonconsensual penetration of the vagina by a penis.
That New York law definition is the same one that is in use in England and Wales. Not that there’s going to be another libel case over this but it would be fun if there were.
The key point here – apart from the fact that this woman is a batshit crazy liar, and the whole thing was ginned-up lawfare bullshit designed to help the corrupt Democrat/Big State/Deep State machine stay in power* – is not the definition of rape but the fact that you don’t get found guilty in civil cases.
The man is a nasty, stupid cunt of truly ocean-going proportions.
*I don’t like Trump much, because of his reactiosn to the Covid bollocks more than anything, and I have little faith that things will change much whoever they ‘elect’, mind you.
The man is a nasty, stupid cunt of truly ocean-going proportions.
That’s a little hard on Trump.
You are not an original thinker, are you, Theo?
Good thing that sort of bullshit fabrication doesn’t end up in court over here.
Oh wait.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12144963/Commuter-who-walked-past-actress-at-Waterloo-station-cleared-of-bizarre-sex-assault-claim.html
John
That’s genuinely scary – Given the Labour government how long before all of us on this and other like minded blogs are bought up on similarly spurious charges?
She said he raped her, he said he didn’t and there were no witnesses. No problem, Believe her.
Existing Statute of Limitations had ran out meaning the incident could not be prosecuted – No problem, change the law so that he could be prosecuted.
She cannot remember the time, the day, the week or the month the attack took place. No problem, believe her.
She says she was wearing a Donna Karran trouser suit at the time of the attack. Donna Karran Co. says that particular item of clothing was not on sale at the time she says she was wearing it. No problem, believe her.
And OJ was innocent too.
Not that there’s going to be another libel case over this but it would be fun if there were.
Be interesting if there was, though. Presumably the same evidence was presented to NYC jury could be presented on the Sage of Ely’s rape allegation. A Brit jury, especially after the assassination attempt, could likely return not only no evidence of rape but also a contrary view on the NYC result. Might suit Trump very well to have that. And watching Spud landed with exemplary damages & 30 million in costs would just add to the amusement. He’d live out the remainder of his miserable life in a damp cardboard box
“He’d live out the remainder of his miserable life in a damp cardboard box”
Hopefully in a remote boggy fen, where Ely cathedral is just a speck in the distance…
He is widely and reasonably (in the literal sense of the word) considered to be a fascist.
And he unquestionably tried to overthrow the state on 6 January 2021.
He has also promised a bloodbath if he does not win this time.
We can already see how the attack on Trump by a person whose motives are not known is going to be used. Reports, already commonplace, are suggesting that the blame for this attack should be laid at the door of the Democrats in the US because they have pointed out facts of the sort I note above. The suggestion is that the Democrat’s comment supposedly fermented the sentiment that gave rise to the assassination attempt, although we will never actually know as the culprit is now dead.
These claims by those on the Right are Goebbelian.
Candidly, if you object to us calling you a Nazi so as to encourage one of the many mentally ill lefties to murder you in a public place, that just proves you’re Goebbels.
It was my sockpuppets comment that he quoted and replied to with a whole post. I’ve had a whole post at me which strangely makes me feel like I’ve been raped by Richard Murphy. Although that would never happen with his small flaccid cock, candidly he’s only a tough guy on his keyboard in his spare bedroom in Ely.
‘A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on’
-Terry Pratchett, The Truth
Sadly the left repeats their lies often enough that most people just accept them.
“Facts have not been altered by what happened to Trump over the weekend.”
Is about the only truth Spud utters there.
Simple fact is that the Lawfare against Trump hasn’t abated, at all.
And is at a ferocity and level that you don’t even need conspiracy theories to note that some people are really desperately pulling all the stops in trying to prevent Trump from even running.
Simple fact is that the Trump hatred is almost visceral for some, to the point where some pretty famous people have been caught out publicly in a variety of “Damn, he missed..” exclamations.
Which… is not exactly the reaction you’d expect from functioning adults. Especially ones that should be aware of second-order effects.
Notably the one where if it’s OK to assault or even attempt to assassinate a politico from the Other Side you hate, it’s also OK for the Other Side to reciprocate in kind.
Which last time I checked was generally considered a Bad Thing. If only because that kind of thing can easily spark a civil war, which are nasty and very unpredictable as to “desired” outcome actually materialising.
It is also a fact that the Secret Service completely and utterly bollocked up allowing this to happen to begin with.
An accessible roof with open line-of-fire at a reasonable range to the podium and there wasn’t at least a pair of beat cops occupying that roof being bored out of their socks?
You can point to “responsibility” and “protocol” as to who should have been sitting there, but it should never have been accessible to the actual gunman to begin with.
And no, again I do not believe in Conspiracy here. This is sheer and utter Incompetence in action, as it seems there were several other spots that weren’t covered by local law enforcement ( “their” responsibility..) on direction of the Secret Service sweep by simply parking the behinds of a couple of Fat Pigs With Badges in places where the mantra “you can’t snipe from a space that is already occupied” is a given.
And it is a fact that the Potato of Ely does not realise we should be glad the gunner missed.
There’s no telling what would have happened if the gunner had succeeded, but it would not have been pretty. At all.
Honestly, the US , and most of us here squeezed by… barely.. on this one..
I recommend you read this, peeps.
From the Torygraph:
After Trump starts speaking on the stage at around 18.04 local time, members of the public outside the secure zone see Crooks clambering onto the roof of a building 430ft away from the podium and “bear crawling” along the roof with an AR15 semi-automatic rifle.
At 18.09:35 a man standing outside the perimeter fence says: “Look, they’re all pointing. Someone’s on top of the roof, look, there he is right there. Right there, you see him? He’s laying down, you see him?”
His female companion replies: “Yeah, he’s laying down.”
At 18.10:07, around 86 seconds before the shots are fired, a male witness points to Crooks on the roof and says: “Yeah look, there he is,” as another man shouts: “Officer, officer!”
A local sheriff has said that Crooks was identified as a suspicious person before Trump started speaking but officers lost track of where he was.
Six seconds before the shots are fired, at 18.11:27, a man in the crowd screams: “He’s got a gun!” Five seconds after that another man shouts: “He’s got a gun – he’s on the roof.”
One second after the second man speaks, at 18:11:33, the first of three shots is fired, followed by two more shots closely spaced in less than two seconds.
Two seconds after the last of the three shots, five shots are fired in rapid succession, taking around a second, killing Crooks.
Footage taken from the crowd shows two snipers on a rooftop to Trump’s right, with rifles on tripods pointing in the direction of Crooks.
The sniper nearest to the camera, who is kneeling and looking through his telescopic sight, appears to be looking straight at Crooks’s position, but lifts his head from the gunsight at the precise moment the first shot from Crooks is heard.
He instantly bobs his head back down to the gun sight and pulls the gun slightly towards himself to take aim, but Crooks manages to fire off three shots in the space of two seconds before the snipers manage to return fire.
Two seconds after the last of the three shots is fired by Crooks, the snipers fire off five shots in rapid succession in less than a second.
In another video, a member of the public has a camera trained on Crooks as he fires his rifle. There is a scream, and a woman can be heard shouting “Ross, get over here!”
The five shots from the sniper position sound like corks popping, and a man says: “He’s turning this way, be careful.”
Thirty seconds after the shots, a woman says: “Someone got shot. He’s right there, laying down.” A man says: “What the f— is going on?” A man with a gravelly voice says: “Dude, that’s exactly why we need f—ing Trump here.”
The difference between life and death for Trump appears to have been a slight turn of his head to look at a giant chart displayed on a board to his right a fraction of a second before the bullet hits him.
If Trump had not turned his head the bullet may well have passed through the back of his skull.
A Telegraph analysis has broken down the half second between the shooter deciding to pull the trigger and the bullet nicking Trump’s ear to show how close he was to being killed.
Around 400 milliseconds – or four tenths of a second – before the bullet hits Trump, Crooks decides to pull the trigger. At this precise moment, Trump’s head is at an angle to the shooter, meaning Crooks has successfully lined up a lethal shot.
Research shows that it typically takes a quarter of a second, or 250 milliseconds, for a message from the brain to reach a gunman’s finger and pull the trigger. In this tiny window, Trump begins to turn his head to look at a graphic on immigration statistics to his right.
The lock time of an AR15 – the time it takes the hammer to hit the round in the chamber after the trigger is pulled, is around 10 milliseconds, and the .22 calibre bullet, travelling at around 3,000ft per second, takes 140 milliseconds to reach Trump, whose head is now aligned with the gunman’s position, meaning the bullet hits his ear but misses his skull.
What I’m taking away from that is the sniper ( who is presumably SS?) had eyes on the shooter before he started shooting. He should have been on the same radio net as Trump’s close protection. And seems to have been aware of suspicious activity at least several seconds before the shooting starts. He didn’t call it? Yet only 2 seconds elapse before both snipers get away 5 rounds in under a second.
Odd. Very odd.
Out of interest. Anyone know what the drop is on an AR15 over 150 yards with stock loads?
I think I’ve worked out from the time of flight at a bit over 9cm. or have I got a dec point in the wrong place?
Why am I interested? Everybody is taking about the kid missing in the horizontal direction. That may be irrelevant.
Bullets shot from a gun don’t travel in a straight line. From the instant they leave the barrel they’re subject to a gravitational acceleration downwards of 10m sec/sec. Just as if they’d been dropped from your hand from stationary. They travel in a parabolic curve. So to hit a target at a distance, a gun has to be sighted so it’s pointed above the target, so the curve insects the target at the sighted distance. So the curve depends on two things. Gravitational potential. The bullet will be trading velocity for gravitational potential as it rises in the curve. And then it reverses & trades GP for V on the downward curve. Secondly air resistance. The bullet loses velocity to air resistance & travelling slower gives more time for gravitational acceleration to affect it. That’s what’s been sighted into the rifle when it was set up on the range. When the target was roughly horizontal with the target. And the kid has likely never shot anywhere but a range.
However us people who go hunting know different. Because the target may be above or below the horizontal. If it’s below the horizontal, the bullet may not lose energy on the upward part of the parabola. Because there isn’t an upward part of the parabola. The whole of the parabola is going down hill & the bullet gaining energy from gravitational acceleration all the way. The parabola is a different shape. Net result is the bullet intersects with the plane of the target somewhat higher than the gun is sighted in for on the horizontal;.
I’m thinking he may have fired an accurate visible centre of mass shot but didn’t realise what being higher than the target would do. That’s what saved Trump.
“What I’m taking away from that is the sniper ( who is presumably SS?) had eyes on the shooter before he started shooting. He should have been on the same radio net as Trump’s close protection. And seems to have been aware of suspicious activity at least several seconds before the shooting starts. He didn’t call it? Yet only 2 seconds elapse before both snipers get away 5 rounds in under a second.
Odd. Very odd.”
I said from the beginning they had him in their sights from way before he fired, they had to have to be able to return fire so fast. This is a complete f*ck-up on an intra-organisation liaison basis. Local PD i/c of stuff outside the perimeter of the showground fence, SS i/c stuff inside the fence, and little direct comms between the two. SS management inside the fence couldn’t OK a take out shot because they couldn’t be sure it wasn’t a local cop up on the roof, local cops out at the factory seem to have done a fair impression of their Keystone brethren, spotting then losing the shooter several times. How the shooter managed to wander through the lot of them and set himself up up on the roof beggars belief.
Also from the Telegraph: “The US Secret Service did not put agents on the rooftop where an assassin shot at Donald Trump for health and safety reasons, the head of the agency has said.
Kimberly Cheatle, the Secret Service director, said the “sloped roof” where Thomas Matthew Crooks was positioned on Saturday could have posed a risk to agents.
“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she told ABC News on Tuesday.”
Thanks Jim and BiS and all.
Since you’re disposing of the arguments against fuck up, I’m inclining more and more towards my natural inclination to that explanation.
Sloped roof… Hazard…
Next time they’re going to tell us the military can’t do it’s duty due to mud posing a safety and health risk…
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16/
That’s the FBI hosing off that incredibly dangerous sloped roof that could not be secured. Standing upright. Not using any climbing gear or safety equipment.
Plenty of others of the location showing what type of building it is, and how “sloped” that roof is..
I believe we’re allowed a certain measure of cynicism here now?
Brilliant by Boddicker.
Initially deleted as comments didn’t meet the criteria for a safe space for debate, but gets to be the basis of a whole blog post as comments did meet the criteria for that.
there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,”
Profiled panel roof for light industrial buildings. Walked on dozens of them. They’re designed to take a snow load. Speaking from memory of UK regs over 50kg/m². That’s the minimum. In reality considerably more. And anyway, you step on the fastenings which transfer the load to the building frame. Or like the kid did, crawl to spread your weight.
But I’ve no doubt that all Secret Service personnel are feckin useless university grads who know nothing other from what they’ve read in books. Even the local cops will know better. Although the snipers did, didn’t they? Why they’re on the ridge. No doubt ex military.
WTF does the US get overgrown schoolkids to guard its politicians?
That’s the FBI hosing off that incredibly dangerous sloped roof that could not be secured. Standing upright. Not using any climbing gear or safety equipment.
Plenty of others of the location showing what type of building it is, and how “sloped” that roof is..
It’s not the pitch will be the problem. The pitch will be less than some garage driveways. it’s the loadbearing capability. The steeper the pitch the more the load bearing. And conversely. Choose the wrong roof & you’d drop straight through. But not this type of roof. It has to take snow load. Worse you could do is leave a dent in it.
In reference to the shooter. The Guardian says the dead shooter was a registered Republican, and had Conservative views.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/14/trump-rally-suspected-gunman-what-we-know
I do not support violence, but why should the left be blamed for something a registered Republican does?
I am against Trump winning the election, and this does not change my mind. TRUMP CLAIMED HE LOST DUE TO A RIGGED ELECTION.
Trump supporters are far right.
Why should the left be blamed for acts by right wingers?
Trump should sort out the gun extremists in his party.
And it wasn’t even a ‘court of law’. It was a civil claims court, not criminal law.
“…why should the left be blamed for something a registered Republican does?”
The Democrats in PA told their supporters to register as Republicans so they could vote against Trump in the primary election. The shooter donated to the Democrats and was (allegedly) an Antifa supporter.
bis,
I read that the USSS had been moved from the Treasury dept who had been hard task masters to
the Home GuardHomeland Security who are not known for being good at their jobs as the illegal immigrant numbers show..My guess is that there are two sorts of personnel: Those who’ve come from a military or other service like the FBI and they are the doers and a fast track DEI management type who probably sneer at the former as rednecks.
ZT above has it right, the fact that Crooks was a “registered Republican” only confirms that he was in fact a Democrat operative, that is he participated in a previous Democrat activity to play games with the Republican primary votes. A real republican is highly unlikely to donate to the far left organisation “Act Blue” that Crooks did, if he objected to Trump but wanted to promote the GOP there are plenty of ways to do that without donating to the Democrats.
As I’ve said before, this was exactly what the Democrats have been trying to have happen for some time. It worked with SCOTUS when a would be assassin turned up to kill Kavannagh, but he lost his nerve; it again sort of worked when GOP Rep Scalise was shot, and here’s the third, failed again by sheer chance. The tactic is to turn up the hate speech and wait for some probably mentally unstable fool to decide to act; plausible deniability is important. This one though, there really are some serious questions about the security op, the abject failures, and the lies they are telling about it. Oh, and refusing to brief Congress or to appear to give testimony.
Violence is what the left DO, and now it is full on lethal violence they are promoting.
Presumably he registered as a republican to get advance details of Trump rallies?
’An accessible roof with open line-of-fire at a reasonable range to the podium…’
But a dangerous roof, Grikath, that a Secret Service agent would need to fill out a risk assessment before attempting to climb in Biden’s emasculated America.
Must re-watch ‘In The Line Of Fire’ again sometime.
The Guardian says the dead shooter was a registered Republican
Almost every media outlet is saying that. Normally they’re words immediately after his name. When people shout this loud one presumes they are trying to tell us something. Doesn’t mean it’s exactly the truth, or why are they shouting this loud?
TRUMP CLAIMED HE LOST DUE TO A RIGGED ELECTION.
There’s quite a lot of people think he’s right
Trump supporters are far right.
According to the polling numbers, that’s half the electorate. The US must be a hard right country. Shouldn’t it get the President it wants?
I’m confused now. Are the SS now saying they had their own people in the factory (not on the roof because H&S naturally!), not local PD? If so presumably they would be in direct communication with SS inside the venue. So if SS sniper above the podium spots the shooter on the roof, calls that into central command, why aren’t the SS personnel inside the factory told ‘Get your asses outside and see WTF is going on on the roof’?
Ed Snack ; Hitler, Mussolini, Timmothy McVeigh, and Franco were all right wing. So does that makes al right wingers violent?
Trump is hardly a peaceful guy.
I do not support violence or terrorism.
The man who was killed in the crowd next to Donald Trump was a registered Democrat.
Well then, that just proves that the shooter was a far-right democracy-hating Trump-supporting neoliberal!
BiW – Sadly, we will never know, since the entire apparatus of the American state is incapable of hacking into a 20 year old’s phone.
starfish – Presumably he registered as a republican to get advance details of Trump rallies?
Probably to vote for Nikki Haley against of Trump.
Anybody with a pulse can register as a Democrat or a Republican, it doesn’t mean anything and lefties regularly run campaigns encouraging their people to vote in Republican primaries for mischief making purposes.
I do not support violence or terrorism.
Yes you do. Apparently enthusiastically. The church 50 metres from where I am writing is is built on the foundations of the one dynamited in 1935. The year before the Spanish Civil War. The dynamiters also cut the throat of the priest in the street outside in front of the congregation. The priest was a member of the family of a friend. That was the socialists. It was why Franco staged the coup. Because the republicans – which were actually a mess of conflicting factions- were taking the whole of Spain in that direction. He saved his country.
Helps if you know some history.
The same’s true in Germany, isn’t it? The Nazi party comes out of the resistance to the attempt to impose a communist revolution on Germany by violence & terrorism in the immediate post WW1 period.
Like most socialists, you are always on the wrong side of history.
As ever, socialists are on the side of violence & terrorism. It’s all they know.
In the German case, it was more like establishing which faction of socialism gained the upper hand. Judean Peoples’ Front or Peoples’ Front of Judea? The National Socialist German Workers’ Party were the ones that managed to come out on top.
BIS – I do not support every left wing attrocity. It shows the weakness of your logic that you use such straw man arguments.
BIW – AH said he was right wing in a speech in a April 1921. The right created AH, Franco, and Mussolini. Plus most of the evil imperial empires that killed 100 million plus people. The Irish Potato famine killed 2 million.
Franco was a brutal dictator. Britain did not need a dictator to protect against communism. Why are you claiming Spain needed one?
It is extreme far right to support Franco or other right wing dictators.
Not quite BiW.
The Friekorps were veterans who wanted the return of the pre-war Germany. Comradeship in its military sense. Which indeed implies a sort of socialism but not revolutionary international socialism in an idealogical sense. The Nazi Party itself was never far from Harold Wilson’s Labour party Or Tony Blair’s Labour party for that matter. Not surprising because the Labour Party & the Nazis actually share the same philosophical roots. Why it was so popular with certain Brit intellectuals.
Franco also killed clergy. I am consistent I am against the killing of innocent t people.
BIS – There is no serious connection between AH, and the Labour leaders Tony Blair or Harold Wilson. Grow up.
AH said clearly in a speech in April 1921 he was right wing.
Mussolini said in the Doctrines of Fascism he was right wing.
Grow up. The decent right wing should accept when there side did wrong. Do not blame the left for Mussolini and AH.
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Then you’d have to explain the adoration of Hitler by so many of the Bloomsbury Group. And of course their espousing of eugenics.
One of their inspiring lights was of course the philosopher George Moore
“Moore’s differentiation between intrinsic and instrumental value allowed the Bloomsburies to maintain an ethical high-ground based on intrinsic merit, independent of, and without reference to, the consequences of their actions. ”
Which pretty well sums up any Labour politician. “You should judge me by what I tell you, you should do. Rather than what I do.” Or Biden for that matter.
Before he split to his own faction, wasn’t Musso a big one in the Italian Communist Party?
Sounds a leftie, regardless of what he said afterwards.
It’s occurred to me that if Trump had been killed, any Democrat politician would be open season. This would prompt a draconian law-enforcement response of Lockdown/Police State standard, possibly the intended way to avoid losing the election…don’t hold it!
Has everyone forgotten Biden’s hate speech with the Nazi backdrop…a few years back, in Philly wasn’t it?
Incitement to violence for sure.
Tim – Ronald Reagan was in the Democratic Party, but by the time he became.president he was aright wing Republica .
Mussolini was openly right wing when he became leader of Italy. End of story.
BIS You keep bringing in straw man arguments by definig yourself what other people believe.
You claim all lefties are followers of George Moore. I had no idea who George Moore is. I am not a philospher student.
And I have little knowledge of the Bloomsbury Group. My quick research shows there were lots of people in the Bloomsbury Group. So you will find all sorts of people with differing views. To claim one of them supporting any particular view defines what being left wing is. What?
The fact is AH said he was right wing. End of story.
Indeed. Adolf got his eugenics policies directly from the evil Fabian Society, which also informed and continues to inform the upper classes of British socialism.
I think we are all of mind in Tim’s commentariat. Mostly by experience & a knowledge of history.
There can be nothing worse than socialism in any of its forms. It is the ultimate evil. It has killed more people since it was first invented than all the other political systems put together. And caused far greater misery. And it has never ever worked as intended. Socialist states inevitably end up being run by & for the benefit of a small bunch of crooks.
Sound very much like today’s USA? Now you know the reason why
I had no idea who George Moore is. I am not a philospher student.
Then you have little chance of understanding the intellectual basis of socialism in the first half of the C20th. Philosophy & political ideologies are all part of the same thing. You’ll certainly have no chance of understanding the differences & similarities between socialism & fascism. Get an education. It will also teach you the difference between philosopher & philosophy. Clue: philosophy won’t buy you a pint. Not saying a philosopher will either but he might drink yours.
I am educated. I do not know everything, but I know George Moore does not define socialism. Even the small research I did on him shows that. You can’t just bring up a knowledge of obscure philosophers to declare you are a genius fountain of all knowledge sage.
I bet you don’t know who has won the Scottish Highland League most, or who has played most games for the Polish football side. Does that make you too uneducated to talk about politics? It is the same nonsense logic.
I doubt even half of Labour, Conservative or Reform MPs have any idea of what you are talking about.
BIS. Right Wing Imperialism killed more people than socialism..
The British Empire killed more than 100 million people in famines, war and slavery, just as did the Spanish Empire..
imperial China, Imperial Germany, Imperial Japan, and Imperial Portugal killed more combined than communism and socialism, Stalin, or..Mao.
The capitalist extremism caused 2 million Itish people to die in the potato famne.
I have blown your.mind with those facts.you did not know. Explain your capitalist extremism to the victims of the potato famine.
I mean Irish not Itish. 2 million Irish men, women, and children died due to capitalist extremism in the potato famine.
TZ
The tale I heard is that, when disease began to wreck the potato crop in the UK, the UK government bought lots of cheap maize to feed those who’d otherwise starve. However the Irish didn’t know how to cook it.
But as a former government bureaucrat, I naturally incline to the fuck-up theory of history.
Go back a couple of centuries (or to any country prior to their local agricultural revolution) and famines were just a fact of life. A bad harvest (or certainly two on the bounce) and there you were. Blaming that all on the fact that they didn’t have socialism is a bit retarded. And the British Empire effectively abolished slavery for the first time in all of human history. But then you knew that.
Chris Miller – You know nothing about history. there is a clear correlation between famines in British Empire ruled regions. As you are such an expert. EXPLAIN why the famines happened in India and Ireland, but not England in this era.
And you are utterly ignorant on history once again to claim, the British were the first nation to ban slavery. You know nothing about history.
Toledo Zaragoza said:
“EXPLAIN why the famines happened in India and Ireland, but not England in this era.”
Easy, England had the infrastructure in place; storage, processing, transport, etc. That’s what solves the bad consequences of famines.
We put the infrastructure in place in the Empire as well. It took time of course, but it worked; deaths from famine in India declined dramatically once we’d got the railways built.
Toledo Zaragoza said:
“And you are utterly ignorant on history once again to claim, the British were the first nation to ban slavery”
I’d be interested to know where you thought was earlier.
England abandoned chattel slavery shortly after the Norman Conquest (things like Cartwright’s case and Somersett’s case just confirmed the long-standing position) and abolished serfdom under Elizabeth I. Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807 and slavery throughout the Empire in 1833.
Earlier attempts at abolishing slavery elsewhere were mostly either ineffective, or short-lived (an early Chinese effort lasted about ten years before the Emperor was killed) or limited (France banned enslavement of Christians early on, but allowed heathen slavery; Venice banned Jews from owning Christian slaves; Spain and Portugal banned enslavement of American people but not Africans, etc.). There aren’t many examples of countries that went further than England had done at the time.
But of course the big difference was that those were all national abolitions, whereas Britain went further and made significant progress in stopping slavery outside its own borders, through the West African Squadron enforcing the ban on the transatlantic slave trade and the treaties with African and European countries to extend the ban to their territories and/or ships. But I’m sure you know all that. It wasn’t a 100% success of course, but it was the first significant and substantial effort to do so.
Thanks Richard T.
RichardT – There were massive famines in India after the railways were brought in.
The railways were only developing in the UK in the mid 19th century. So why were famines happening in India and Ireland, while England was given infrastructure built on empire?
The Empire killed over 100 million BECAUSE of right wing imperial mentality.
The UK supported the South in the USA Civil War. Explain that!
I am British, but I accept right wing imperialism has killed more than any ideology in history.